Pulse charging Batteries - Conditioning & C.O.P relationship

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I have a question maybe someone can help with. I have a 3 cell 600mah battery from a cordless phone i'm trying to fix, well i've radiant charged it plenty and it gives about 92% capacity at C1.5 which is good, the only problem is once fully charged and if you wait a few hours the voltage is still ok but know the battery will only give say 35% capacity. Some call this voltage depression, from overcharging. Could this be damaged cells and if so, any ideas on how to fix them. Thanks.
peace love light
Tyson

[boguslaw]

Short circuit.

[baroutologos]

One long term observation, using a Bedini per specs SSG and my battery.

Last year, i changed my bike battery that was not dead, but low voltage, so as to have a battery to pulse charge with Bedini circuits. (12v 10Ah Yuasa)

From then, when the new battery falls a litlle, i inter-change the old one and pulsed "Restored" and put the new one to be pulsed charge some 10 days constantly.

Yesterday i realized the thing i have observed long time before. The SSG pulse charging method, has only a temporary effect on batteries. My batteries that are running low (no shorted, no physically damaged) were not in the long term and into their original possition made as new.

Yesteraday my old, "pulsed restored" battery left me and scooter could not start. This type of bike is only battery started or else... u take a hike like i did. A long one till to bring a new battery.

Sometime Aaron, has suggested by using the SSG methodology you can revive as new old used batteries like automobiles, golf carts, EVs etc and make it to a business.
My 3 battery sample has just showed the opposite in the long run. Effects, are only temporary and only last as long as batteries are continue to be pulsed charged.

[Aaron]

teslachargers.com

If I'm going to do a battery rejuvenation business, I'll use the chargers
from Energenx and not my own personally built ones.

I'm doing pre-spring cleaning in my garage and I'm moved my battery
powered lawn mower out to a shed. I charged it last with the 1AU charger
early last fall and right now, it is still fully charged - so were both of my
18v cordless weed eater batteries. That has been 6 months that they're
sitting full. The 18v batts are nicads and the mower has two 12v 20ah
sealed gel cells for 24v.

People don't have problems with long term charge with the Energenx
chargers like they do with home made ones. These chargers are just very
standardized and each setting is perfectly matched to the battery plus with
built in intelligence to know when the battery actually is fully charged.

I think with homemade ones, most people are just not pushing their
batteries hard enough.

[baroutologos]

So Aaron, you suggest my home made SSG per strict Bedini specs, run at most efficient spot is just of no good? it seems so actually.. No OU, yet still not rejuvanation that will last.

What excactly is the deal with the ready made Eneregnx? Have larger kicks? higher freq? More power? (apart from the battery voltage sensor)
All those can be custom made, easily but it will seem like a draft

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, thanks for replies, however the solid state bedini charger im using works fine with every other battery type i have, its just something about this one from the cordless phone, maybe the chemicals inside the nicads are dried up or something else is damaged from the heat of constantly putting it on charge when on phone receptacle. Funny though how the nicads give proper capacity an hour or less after use, but anymore more and capacity drops off, havent seen this condition in any other batteries till now. Thanks.
peace love light
Tyson

[jeanna]

Nicd recharging 16 cycles...

I have been reconditioning and spike-charging a crystalized Nicd AA battery with a joule thief.

This jt is only giving 49v at 60khz, so it looked like a good candidate to me for this job.
Since this is my first attempt at this kind of thing and I mostly wanted to verify that the jtc would work just like the bedini for recharging purposes, I have only watched the strength and time of recharge/discharge and have not even thought about the running battery, so I have no cop info here.
I think this is the thread I have been looking for to post this info.

The Nicd was crystallized at 1.23v. I could recharge it to around 1.28v and it would light a jtc for 30 minutes, and always stopped at 1.23v.

I have this interesting 'problem' with using a jtc with the LoA bulb. It has capacitors in it, and once it has been on it never fully turns off and drains a battery to less than the turn on voltage of the transistor.
So... I put this Nicd in use on this jtc with that bulb. I used it to deeply drain it 4 times.
The bulb/jtc drained the Nicd lower and lower each cycle, finally draining the Nicd to about 1.14v on the 5th and 6th cycle.
I then went on my winter retreat but took the jtc with me. [I paid little attention to this but charged and discharged and recorded volts and times.]

On the 7th day the led lit for 6 minutes. [this was rock bottom.]

On the 8th day, it lit the light very bright and longer. Then it increased more and brighter each day to the16th day when I left it on and it was on longer than my 2 1/2 hour break. [So, I don't know how long it went.]

Then when I packed things up to leave the retreat, I shorted the jtc with the battery in place and drained it.
I recharged it (using spikes of course) and left it to rest for the last 10 days.

I began the recharge/cycling again today.
The light was not as bright and lit for 1 hour.
It is now charging and I will write up a real report when it is finished if anyone wants me to.

My conclusion is this works, but you must watch the battery become really dead.
It seems it must go all the way down before it can change from standard recharging to this spiky recharging.

More research will follow... I am psyched about this. (a jtc is way easier for me than a bedini.)

thank you,

jeanna

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Jeanna, thanks for that information. Yes the jtc is an easier circuit to get nice linear output, though in my tests at 12v, it tends to warm up the transistor a little more, that is why i use a version of bedini's solid state but without the resistor from base to ground. It does pretty much the same thing as the jtc as far as radiant charging batteries and rejuvenating. I think in my case with the cordless phone battery, that like other devices that are constantly topping off the batteries, the heat tends to get the best of these cells used in that manner. Even though mine have full capacity, it just doesn't stick very long, im still cycling them in hopes they will hold charge longer, otherwise i think this battery can still be used in the phone. By the way its a relatives battery, i dont like being radiated with microwaves.
peace love light
Tyson

[Aaron]

@Baroutologos

So Aaron, you suggest my home made SSG per strict Bedini specs, run at most efficient spot is just of no good?

I'm not saying it is no good.

Here are a few questions for you:

1 - You can use these machines to charge batteries directly with negative
energy or put it in a cap then charge a battery with positive energy. Have
you experimented with both?

2 - Do you think that 100v+ has the same properties as 100v- but just
different polarity?

[baroutologos]

Aaron, I do not believe in negative current/energy. Nothing like this i have noticed around.

During an EMF/current shut-off to an inductor, the released stored energy because of the created magnetic field (E=0.5I^2L) cannot be labeled as negative electicity. If so, then all high frequency coils, create "negative" energy.

I explain. The spike or DV/Dt of Bedini coils is way smoother and less sharp that the Dv/Dt of a smoothly operating Tesla coil at 500Khz frequency at 100Kv across its inductor. What does it means? It creates negative? Nah..

Sorry, IMO negative electricity its a fancy term rather a reality.

[Aaron]

positive energy and negative energy

I think this is where you may have a problem.

The QUALITY of a positive voltage is different from a negative voltage.

If you charge a cap with a positive voltage from a step up transformer for
example or you charge a cap with inductive spikes and both are at the
same voltages, they are NOT the same. Some of the old kicker coil setups
that charge caps with the inductive spikes can jump an equivalent gap
at lower voltages than a cap charged initially with the positive voltage, which
would require its normal voltage to breakdown the gap.

A battery charged with negative and positive energy is different. If a
battery is charged with a negative energy, whether or not Bearden is right
or not is irrelevant - the concept is absolutely accurate - take the negatively
charged battery and put it on a normal positive energy charger, it will not
do anything initially. It must fill in the "holes" first, and this may take a
while, and then it will finally come to an equilibrium and then it will from
that point begin to start charging in the forward direction.

Why this happens may be debatable but the fact of the matter is, and it
is not debatable as far as I'm concerned, is that this phenomena is
absolutely for real and I've experienced it too many times.

Yes, there is a difference and the Bedini chargers can charge directly
with negative energy or it can be "forward converted" to transform it to
positive energy and then charge the battery with positive.

[jeanna]

pos or neg?

So Aaron, please help me here.

I am confused about how to even tell what I am making.
I put the 2 secondary wires from the jtc which show a voltage difference of 49v at 60khz, through a bridge.
Then I hook up the pos out of the bridge to the pos side=red of the battery, and the reverse to the neg.

So, what am I making and applying to the battery?

I watched John's video where he shows the difference a few times, but I do not get what he does. He collects the charge in the cap then disconnects the cap and it was not clear to me what he connected the cap to in order to 'fill' the battery with negative charge.

I appreciate your help,

jeanna

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Jeanna, as far as i know, the negative energy is the collapsing field off the flyback diode without going to ground. And if you fill a cap with this then it becomes positive energy, what the difference is i'm not positive, lol.

Tyson

[Aaron]

time potential

@all

I would recommend that everyone would read John's posts on Keelynet
from years ago. It is all online. Just search google. He doesn't see it
all like what I explain below I don't think - the below is mostly my own
deductions based on many known variables.

There are a few things that seem to contradict but they don't.

If you take the spikes and put it into a cap and then apply that cap to
a battery, it is turned from negative to positive. The spikes by themselves
are negative.

And in another example, if you charge a cap with positive or you charge
it with high frequency negative - in a way, they're both positive, but they
are not the same. The negative charged one gives a whiter spark, can
jump a larger gap at the same voltage compared to the positive charged
cap. I don't know if the cap matters or not but I've seen a visible difference
with the sparks from the caps, etc...

Getting a high voltage from a step up winding has different properties from
a high voltage from an inductive spike.

The inductive spike is what? Tall and narrow? Tall is high voltage and
narrow means there is no time expended over that spike, so what does
that mean about the spike itself? TIME potential itself IS what that spike
is.

You take that TIME potential, put a load on it and you get work out of
it or in other words, you cultivate that TIME potential and when you apply
a load, you get the time out of it.

TIME is the rate at which something can move or change within the
aether that it is submerged in. High gravity is denser aether and therefore,
light, mass, "TIME", etc... is slowed down because of this aetheric
resistance.

If there is low gravity, there is low density aether and therefore,
light, mass, "TIME", etc... is quicker because of less aetheric resistance.

So when you have high pressure (quick-rapid-instant) high pressure,
it is literally a high pressure and not just a "voltage", it is a high density
aetheric pressure in that inductive spike meaning that "TIME" is being
conserved within that spike - and that is why it is narrow. You get the
time out of it when you give a load forcing the pressure to come down
to a lower voltage with a wide pulse (time being let out).

A simple step up transformer for example isn't a positive inductive spike,
it is a high voltage waveform, where each pulse follows the low voltage
source pulse.

The spike has the time potential and the step up for example does not.

When you charge a battery with the spikes directly, you are charging
it with negative energy or literally, time potential. You are giving it a time
charge. You are filling the battery with TIME POTENTIAL, which is what
will register as work expended over time when you apply a load at a later
time.

If this explanation of what time is doesn't make sense to anyone, then
read my book The Quantum Key | Aaron Murakami - read the chapter on
time. If that isn't the most simple explanation of what time is, I don't know
what is.

Time is not some other dimension. If you're in high gravity, that is like
a wind up propeller being let loose in a bowl of gelatin. It will unwind slowly.
If you let the propeller lose in a bowl of water (low gravity and low density
aether), then it will unwind fast.

When you have an inductive spike, you are taking this aether right out
of time and space when you switch off the coil and that aether will be
pressurized in a short blip so that the time is conserved.

You are NOT getting back what you put in. You charge a coil, you then
lose everything you put in. That magnetic field that is there regenerates
a BRAND NEW voltage on the spot when the field collapses. Brand new
potential that was not part of the input is freshly brought into the circuit
when the field collapses.

This is just like when an object is raised against gravity. If it is sitting
on a shelf, it is storing ZERO potential of what you put in. What you put
into lifting the object is 100% gone when it is on the shelf. While on the
shelf, 100% of the gravitational potential is dissipated by the table that
is opposing the fall - so it cannot store any potential.

The gravitational potential is only available to be used as potential that
will convert to work for the object on the table the moment the object
is brushed off the table and can free-fall. Only while it can move down
is the gravitational potential available to it and NOT WHEN IT IS RESTING,
yes the potential is "available" but is 100% dissipated by the resistance
of the table. But it is NOT storing any of it.

It is a bogus concept that raising on object stores potential and when it
falls you get out what you put in. That is a mythical fantasy that is really
quite ridiculous if you think about it.

In any case, you charge a coil, you lose what you put in. That magnetic
field collapses, you REGENERATE NEW POTENTIAL only when the field
collapses. THE MAGNETIC FIELD IS NOT STORING WHAT YOU PUT INTO
THE COIL. So you don't get back what you put in. You put in something
and lose it all. But compliments of nature's environmental donation, which
is to rebound anything that pushes into it allows the field to collapse and
that gives you the spike of potential back. Work in, some loss, potential
back.

[baroutologos]

I think this is where you may have a problem.

The QUALITY of a positive voltage is different from a negative voltage.

If you charge a cap with a positive voltage from a step up transformer for
example or you charge a cap with inductive spikes and both are at the
same voltages, they are NOT the same. Some of the old kicker coil setups
that charge caps with the inductive spikes can jump an equivalent gap
at lower voltages than a cap charged initially with the positive voltage, which
would require its normal voltage to breakdown the gap.

I must remind you on this that the dielectric air breakdown is not only voltage depended. As the Great Tesla mentions (Colorado Springs notes), high frequency currents make far more greater archs and have far more greater easy at jumping gaps than low frequency electricity.
So the Tesla coils can create quite larger archs than their real voltage level.

Or put in other words, they ionize the air easier. Actually all HF low voltage experiments (SEC etc) clearly demonstrate that. Ionization is also frequency depended.