Donald L Smith

[baroutologos]

Theories are nice. Experimentation and proof needed, or almost everything we say are fairy tales for an easy tight sleep.

Baroutologos

[sebosfato]

sebosfato,

do you have all the answers? Do you know for sure how to make these devices? If yes, then please do tell us. I'm sure all of us will appreciate it.

Personally, I'm a bit tired of these I-know-it-all-but-you-need-to-do-your-own-research kind of guys...

ABC

yes abc i have the answer but people want to be helped and don't care for helping at all! After several months looking for investors and or help from also those who says that are interested and also those many who i called friends! I got nothing but more debt and debt and debt in my research. So now i know the secret of 1000 millions dollars and i can't just give it away. Is quite easy! However is a secret! I just gave you A clue, if you are the one, maybe you are going to find out!

I don't believe in open source for free energy devices anymore as they are too expensive to make at home once a time, and this way there is no chance for technology advance, without mass production would not even be economically viable. And as almost everything i read in internet about free energy was misleading information, i don't fell that anyone helped me in any way. I got only about 10 donations from people i never meet those i need to say thanks.

If you think about if you just release the info in internet you will not be able anymore to sell it because a big company will rob you business.

Have you ask yourself if you find out how it works what is your responsibility? Did you ever thought there are industrial and intellectual proprieties to respect, if you don't respect it they (aka big companies) came and create a cause against you with the experts lawyers that will put you and your ideas in jail!!! if you try to release it, is the same, they claim they had the technology patented first and before you put it into the market you have a cause against you and believe you will be already in jail!!!

The day will come!

[dragon]

meters...

I need to jump in here. I took Don's protocol and am putting it to practice.
I lookd and looked and found an electrostatic voltmeter I could afford and one that looked reasonably modern. I tried to use it and learned I diddn't know anything about this type of testing, or equipment.
I called the manufacturer and had a nice discussion about what is there the meter is picking up. + and or - was the short answer. I got myself a gauss meter and Just trying to go by what looks like a protocol operation by DS.

I am going to see what Don was seeing !D

h2ocommuter

Which electrostatic meter did you purchase? I purchased a HV probe which works fine with low frequency or measuring static DC charges but when exposed to frequencies above 60hz it's pretty much useless. Does it handle frequency well? I already have a gauss meter but it also doesn't seem to like HF so the readings I'm getting aren't what I would call reliable.

If I remember correctly you were working on DS's globe unit... is this correct? I haven't put any of don's units together yet but have been experimenting with some of his theories - as well as others. Some of what he says makes sense, some simply don't. But that is a part of the learning process I suppose.
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[boguslaw]

I think you would agree with me if I say that Lenz law is one of our enemies. It is here whenever you have magnetic field connected with electric field.
All you need is something which is separate from power source - either pure magnetic or pure electric.Well.... To have either one of them you need something important - a waveguide,a field , because you cannot create sound-like longitudinal wave without a medium (which is opposite to EM waves propagating in vacuum). You have to have ionic environment or magnetic field.

[dragon]

what book...

Does anyone know what book these diagrams came from? Does anyone have the formula's associated with these diagrams?

Thanks in advance for any help in solving this...
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[boguslaw]

First one is normal ringdown,second is normal resonance.
The last one is normal longitudinal wave production - it's now called exponential feedback resonance and it's carefully messed up in scientific papers to not let people figure out ...

[jibbguy]

Regarding Open Source, it is not perfect yet it may be necessary for these technologies to ever make it into the marketplace in the first place.

If you post your ideas, and there are no prior Patents on the same thing, it becomes very difficult for someone else to Patent it (or yourself). If someone does use it, you can prove it was your idea first. This may have future indirect benefit to you down the line. For instance, you may get a high school named after you or something; go on Lecture tours, write books, get honorary degrees, go to work for a competing company (because ANY company in the world could build it; the way they can with technologies that have Expired Patents)... or simply become famous to future generations for helping Humankind.

If there is a prior Patent hidden somewhere that covers your idea, no Lawyer can do a thing to you unless you try to sell it for money. You can built it for your own use and even make these devices public, and they can't do a damned thing about it; UNTIL YOU ATTEMPT TO PROFIT from it.

If you are the one who first discovers something, and Open Sources it, then companies build it and profit from it (but don't acknowledge you in any way)... Tough stuff. That is how it is. If you want NO ONE IN THE WORLD to benefit from it unless you get "Paid", then don't Open Source it. And don't expect to succeed in getting it to market either... Literally THOUSANDS of inventors have tried, and all, up until this last year perhaps (which yet remains to be seen), have failed.

This is not a game of "Monopoly" here folks, it is very serious stuff that involves the entire future of this Planet; that challenges the continued easy profits of the largest, most powerful private interest groups and political lobbies that the world has ever seen. It is not logical to expect them to give their "gravy trains" up easily.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to profit from your original ideas and hard work. Yet, when this appears to be impossible to do, at what point does this desire become extreme selfishness and sociopathic behavior?

Hey, in the future this may all change (and Patenting a F-E device and taking it to market will be just like patenting a new juicer or water filter): But this is not the case at present.

Look at Blacklight Power and Steorn in 2009... Showing OU and standing to possibly profit from it soon. I truly hope they are both successful! But so far in History, no one has been in the end... Even Dr. Moray could not do it; despite never being debunked and showing many proofs. And perhaps they shouldn't count their profits yet. In getting a new device to market, like American football, the last "yard" is often the longest. All we can do is watch what happens carefully; and in the mean time, until these things are treated just like juicers or water filters, we can help these devices make it to market in our own way: By changing minds, changing paradigms, ending suppressions though Greater Public Awareness... Doing what our universities SHOULD be doing, but mostly refuse to.

By pushing the envelope out a little farther

[baroutologos]

2 sobefasto

i personally am fed up, with riddles and clues. No point in discussing with us if you are not going to be of any help.

Few, that happen to know more than the rest of us, should be courageous and speak up. Today's depression maybe tomorrow's mundane thing.

I have stated again and again. In case you possess such a "secret" you cannot afford at thinking big. You cannot patent it and expect to have world's monopoly.

Best thing to do for moderate profitability is trying to assemble a model working as a un-conventional generator of emergency as economic as possible and circulate to local community and not even involving major destribution channels. However If alone, you should start to worry about MIB really..

Best option is to share it with competent persons over the net thus minimizing risk of being individualy caught, even though the risk is fairly high again..

Of course, there is another option. To stay silent and take it to your tomb!

Baroutologos

[sebosfato]

Its already safe the technology with mechanisms for it to continues even without me. However what i tried to say is that is very easy as a clue for you. the basics of the basics. Donald didn't showed up the energy source. open your eyes and find it. it don't even break physics or chemistry laws.

good luck my friends

[ABCStore]

yes abc i have the answer but people want to be helped and don't care for helping at all!

No-one is paying my bills either. Grow up.

I got nothing but more debt and debt and debt in my research.

Nobody forced you into spending money on your research. Most of us here, I'm sure, live paycheck to paycheck, many have lost their jobs. Stop whining.

So now i know the secret of 1000 millions dollars and i can't just give it away. Is quite easy! However is a secret! I just gave you A clue, if you are the one, maybe you are going to find out!

If you made it public, you too would profit from it. By getting rid of your electric bill, for example.

I don't believe in open source for free energy devices anymore as they are too expensive to make at home once a time, and this way there is no chance for technology advance, without mass production would not even be economically viable.

We're in Don Smith thread and none of his devices at least look expensive. I call your arguments BS.

If you think about if you just release the info in internet you will not be able anymore to sell it because a big company will rob you business.

So, it's greed after all? Out of curiosity, how do you see "selling" it?

if you try to release it, is the same, they claim they had the technology patented first and before you put it into the market you have a cause against you and believe you will be already in jail!!!

Uber BS. Patent databases are searchable, please find similar patent to your "1000 millions dollar" secret and let us know.

ABC

[sebosfato]

there are numerous patents but all of them hided the secret not even one is reproducible. So i got to study a lot for understanding what's the secrets. And all the patents could not reveal the secret thus you will not find anything there.

Study a lot very old books about chemistry and physics you will find one way and you will see how much does it cost!

you say i'm whining and to grow up! i say when you find your so wanted free energy, you are going to see that this could change the world and you re going to see selfish and stupid people everywhere that talks about saving the planet, the environment, global warming, that wont help you in anyway. Anything! thAn you are going to think about if this world merit your effort.

i worked day and night for 4 years. I went to work when i could and all my money i inputed on the research. If you follow this steps you are going to arrive in my conclusion. Is harder than the discover the technology it self, to distribute it with no harm for your health.

[ABCStore]

@sebosfato:

So why are you even here? To brag about your alleged discovery? Or to scam some people into sending you money? Go ahead, prove me wrong.

ABC

[sebosfato]

@sebosfato:

So why are you even here? To brag about your alleged discovery? Or to scam some people into sending you money? Go ahead, prove me wrong.

ABC

yes i want to scam you! hhahhaha
just kidding

however i gave you already good clues coded in my posts. good luck i wont disturb here anymore

Peace

[h2ocommuter]

I got the Monroe 235J-1. This unit was made to only measure one type of signal. the negative." It must be rewired inside to measure the other way" you could only get probes that went to 2,000V .These were all made special order. But the guy told me how to make a voltage devider that would work just fine.For instance if you need to measure 100KV the offset may be in the neighborhood of 4 " and the focus must be arranged through a hole in a plate.
It has an alalogue meter 0-----100 and a multiplier switch that will increase it to 1000 Volts. I was hoping it went to 100,000 V
Anyways it doesn't, but I talked to the Manufacturer in NY and he knows the guy that sold it in 1993. I pumped the guy for as much information about how the measurments are taken and what to expect while taking a reading and it was truely enlightening.

[h2ocommuter]

Attempt logic just once.

I'll take a shot at the open sourse question and bookoo bucks!
If you want to financially set for life for a one time deal. but wait this is only one absolute truth about a business model that could make you millions. I mean literally everyone here or anyone anywhere in the world. There are punk criminals who will kill for petty cash so don't get a big head about MIB. be a man and try to do what you can to feed your family.
Take your device to the bigest farmer in your area and tell him you will supply all his electricty for a year and tell him he will pay you half of what he is paying the utility company. you will be wallering in money for the rest of your life if!!!! you are as smart as you say you are.
There is nobody here trying to beat you down. If you feel you want to contribute, do so an an intellagable way. quit saying your tickeling us with clues. We all are dillagently looking at our own clues. speak out, point blank, stand like a man who wants to help, like you say you intrend.

@ Dragon
I am really new at the freq. game and well everything as far as that goes.
my background is far from this type of tech. I see a bunch of odd things and a couple of gaps in DS writings but I am convinced with a hunch that this technology is functionalable. For instance DS 10 to 15 rounds on the 7" PVC and he has 6 rounds. Or , More than 2, + greater than 5KV and more than 34 uF, Where he shows four small Cornell Doubiere caps. Hummm I am just trying to put the pieces together.....
I am glad you got that answer for me too about the signwaves Don exibited at the show. Longitudinal exponential feedback. is the one Don stated was the one we are looking for. "Allways in certain applications".
I don't have a scope but am seriously concidering it.

h2ocommuter