Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[jonnydavro]

@wrench76.

Hello everyone. I just wanted to share my results of a very simple sec.Like many of you I was tiered of letting the smoke out of those tiny transistors. So I tried what ever I had, I had very good results with both TIP31 and TIP3055. The best part is I have no resistors or caps in the circuit. With a heat sink on the TIP31 it runs @ about 85 deg.F. I have also tried a new L1 coil,its a pancake coil with 1/2 inch gaps between each wind,the inside diameter is about 4 inches, the wire is 14 gauge silver tinned copper(regular magnet wire works almost as good). Since I made the coil, and transistor change I now get a good amount of plasma off of the L2,I have never had any plasma with the small transistors.Sorry I dont have a camera at the moment but the circuit is simple,Batt + to end of L1, start of L1 to collector,emitter to Batt -,L2 to base.This is not like Jonnys sec, this one bites. It does all the normal light stuff very well,neons just light on the table,one cool thing is if I hold the neon near the L2 the plasma forms at the tip of the neon just like the L2 does when it is just running (about a 5 mm long purple point)
L1 14g silver tinned copper 1/2 in spacing (4 turns works good for me)
L2 30g magnet wire 3x13 inches
TIP31 or TIP3055 w/heat sink
12vdc around 400ma while playing with the plasma arc
Thanks

Hi wrench and welcome Thanks for posting your experiment results and it sounds like you have a high output robust setup.
I tried a 3055 after reading your post and it worked great drawing around 240mA.I had tried a 3055 in the past with no luck, but that was with a small L1 coil but it works now so that should save me a few transistors .
I really like the mpsa06 and don't have much trouble with them under 200mA but go over and they can blow easily but i get really good plasma arcs with the Slayer exciter and mpsa06 and a 4148 diode from emitter to base but you are getting similar results with the 3055 so that is encouraging.
Happy experimenting and thanks for sharing.Jonny.
@totoalas

With Jujus idea of identical twin towers , check helpfulwaves.com,
here the frequency of the metal can be altered using speaker coil or ur pc speaker as well . Hope this help .....
I am trying to get some coils of two microwave ovens with the same brand....
and try to replicate your work

Hi Interesting link.Its quite amazing what you can do with a coil .
The microwave coils should be an interesting experiment and i would also try some homemade one's as they are easy to make,but the rectangular coils just take a bit more time to wind but worth the effort.Let us know how you get on.Jonny
@Slayer

Jonny & Lidmotor Great videos.
With your fixed L2 coil could you try a variable capacitor across the L2 coil.
For tuning just to see if your L2 coil is tuned to the rectangle coil.
Try using the rectangle coil for the transmiter coil and the round coil as the receiver coil.
Then see if you can tune it with the capacitor.
Great work every one.

Thanks Slayer .I will try what you suggest and i will also start on another rectangle coil today.
I really need to get an LC meter now as the round coil and rectangular coil can't be the same inductance and i am still getting great energy transfer but if they were perfectly matched,this should increase. Jonny
@Zooty.Nicely doneThere may be a performance increase by experimenting with the turns ratio as the torroid is acting as a transformer and torroid size/type, coil position,turn ratio and wire type are all variables that can be tweaked to maximise coupling.
I have asked MK1 who is a joulethief and torroid guru to have a look and he may have some suggestions.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to try this and your picture's look great and will help others. Jonny
@Juju.I will try this on the plasma setup and let you know .
Good luck with your Kapagen experiments and i am following that thread also and see you have already made your coil and it looks good Jonny.
@Lidmotor

@ Jonny I was winding my toroid wrong (both windings the same direction) and I think that is why mine was not working right.

Hi LidmotorYes,wind in opposite directions and it should fire straight up.The 10 turns and 35 turns were figures out of my head and it looked nice on the torroid so you may want to play around a bit as this is a transformer and i can't have got it right first try .Jonny

[Lidmotor]

Zooty replication

@Zooty
Thanks for the pictures and explanation on how you replicated Jonny's toroid hybrid Slayer Exciter. That really helped. The numbers look great. The amount of light that you are getting for that much power is impressive.

@ Jonny I was winding my toroid wrong (both windings the same direction) and I think that is why mine was not working right.

Lidmotor

[juju]

The rectangular coil is acting as another transmitter like you say and it may be possible to have a row of these playing pass the energy parcel but i want to try Juju's idea next with the matched pair.There maybe two way comunication between the two coils,i think i remember Dr Stiffler showing how two coils "lock up" so there may be something like that going on.Cheers. Jonny

your ideas are impressive , please tell if you got improvement with plasma to using that toroid setup , im working on the KAPAGEN now!

hugs

[Zooty]

I am amazed at Jonny's Slayer toroid hybrid SEC. I chucked this together at 3am not expecting it to work straight away without any tuning but it did and the results blew me away It's running on 10.5v (8 x 1.2v AA rechargeables). Current reading across a 1 ohm resistor shows about 90ma but i don't know how accurate that is. The MPSA06 is only slightly warm which is surprising. I will play with this tomorrow and see what she can do Definitely the best wireless distance i have had with a sec. Thanks for the circuit Jonny



Took the resistor out of the base



Lights a neon from a good distance



Just touched the positive end of my scope probe to the positive battery terminal and it's showing a perfect 15mhz sine wave at 880v peek to peek!

[slayer007]

Jonny & Lidmotor Great videos.

@ Jonny
With your fixed L2 coil could you try a variable capacitor across the L2 coil.
For tuning just to see if your L2 coil is tuned to the rectangle coil.

Try using the rectangle coil for the transmiter coil and the round coil as the receiver coil.
Then see if you can tune it with the capacitor.

Great work every one.

[totoalas]

Sec - Let There Be Light

Thanks Johnny,
With Jujus idea of identical twin towers , check helpfulwaves.com,
here the frequency of the metal can be altered using speaker coil or ur pc speaker as well . Hope this help .....
I am trying to get some coils of two microwave ovens with the same brand....
and try to replicate your work
..

totoalas

[woopy]

Hi juju

the measures

big coil 65 mm diameter, height 15 cm, copperwire 0.3 mm , resistance 22 ohm
inductance 4,4 mh

pancake coil 6 turns plastic insulated plain copper 0.8 mm, resistance 0.2 ohm
inductance o.oo6 mh

with 11.5 volts entry the AVplug is at 155 volts

the circuit is Slayer basic with 2 MPSA 05 in parallel plus the totoalas MPSA05 between ground and base of the parallel. the cap is 471 microf and the resistor is 1 mega ohm.

What is bizarre is that when the circuit is not in resonance it consumes more current (about 230ma) than when it is in resonnance i mean when the hfl is lit
about at 120 ma. I can light a neon in my finger at about10 cm from the coil.

I will try to to increase the winding of the big coil up to the top of my plastic tubing (7,5 cm more height) so i can see the difference. Good idea to desoldier your coil.

hope this help

Laurent

[jonnydavro]

@Farrah Day.Thanks Farrah.How are you getting along with your experiments? Jonny
@Zooty

Just out of curiosity, does the round coil perform as well as the rectangular coil for lighting stuff when not using a receiver? I was also thinking about why your coil arrangement works one way round but not the other. It looks as if a larger mass coil will pick up the energy being transmitted by a smaller mass coil but i just can't see that being the case. Maybe the receiving coil has to have a minimum inductance equal to the transmitter coil. I also noticed that your receiving coil is also acting like a transmitter at the same time. Do you think that maybe there is a 2 way communication between the coils?

Hi Zooty I have no free time till Friday to expertiment and i will run a comparison test to give you a definitive answer but my initial observation is they are very well matched in output and also current draw as i think current draw with the torroid setup is dictated by the torroid windings and torroid as both coils drew exactly the same current draw.The rectangular coil is acting as another transmitter like you say and it may be possible to have a row of these playing pass the energy parcel but i want to try Juju's idea next with the matched pair.There maybe two way comunication between the two coils,i think i remember Dr Stiffler showing how two coils "lock up" so there may be something like that going on.Cheers. Jonny
@Lidmotor.Hi Great vid and use of those great flicker flame bulbs.I just love them and now i see they can be used for more than detection,Nice.
Regarding output.I think you may be right and need bigger coils but wind them on plastic as plastic can store a charge and may play a part,who knows Jonny
@Ren.Hi Thanks for sharing your findings and i agree with you on the importance of the power supply and nodes at varying distances.Your tips and info will help people experimenting with Dr Stifflers sec so thanks for posting.Jonny.
@totoalas.Hi Here is the circuit i am using.You can use this to power any shaped Slayer L1 coil so experiment away.Jonny.

[ren]

Full wireless towers

Perhaps the good Dr Stiffler still checks these thread, Im not sure, but here are some things I have been playing around with, Id be interested on his opinion.

I wasnt able to get a full wireless system going this well until I removed the top half of the "tophats" Im wondering if this decrease in capacitance on the top is what helps, or is it that its an open shape now?

Also, I needed to add a short aerial off the 22uH, where you would normally attach the LEDs or loads. The best results seem to be when the aerial (single piece of wire) is pointed directly upwards and in close proximity to the topload. Sometimes I need to touch the top of the aerial to kick start the light, and it will occasionally give you a little zap

Interestingly enough, this system is really picky about which battery powers it. It would seem to me that the bigger the battery is the less distance it can transmit. By far the best results for me came with the 12v 1.3aH battery, so that is something to consider guys when you are testing circuits out. The power source is as much a part of the oscillator/system as any other part...

My best distance is about 6 feet, as seen in the below photos, driving 20 superbright 10mm LEDs in series off the diode plug, although I think it might be assisted somewhat by surrounding but unconnected metallic structures within the wall. It comfortably does 3 feet without any metal nearby, and will run off that 1.3aH battery all night (with it reading 12.00v in the morning). I approximate 50-60ma draw based upon these figures.

All these effects are done with the SEC 15-3 circuit, the above mentioned modifications to Dr Stifflers original towers and CAREFUL adjustments of the tuning inductor. The long distance transmission (6 feet) is particularly tricky to tune to.

Also, there appears to be ideal distances at which the lights are brighter than others. The first distance is when the tower is about 1 foot away from the transmitter. After that there are different nodes(?) or areas where the light output will change, based upon the tuning. So the space between the towers is another variable as well.

Love to see anyone replicate it if they can. Sorry about the poor quality pics, I will have to upload a video soon.

Regards

[Lidmotor]

Slayer Exciter running pulse motor

@Jonny
I started working on the exciter again and I still can't get mine to do what you are doing. It must be my coils. I did get mine to run the little pulse motor that I built for the Nathan Stubblefield project. I also got some great effects using one of those "flicker flame" bulbs.

Here is a video of today's fun:

YouTube - Slayer Exciter driving new pulse motor.ASF

Lidmotor

[juju]

By the Way Juju how about your your 50 cm coil any datas ? Because i intend to wound one , but as you said is it worth the big work? Thanks

good night

Laurent

woopy, i was wrong... more windings, best performance!

has i have said my wire broke in the middle of the coil... so i desoldier and tryed the output at the middle (70ohm), the plasma is very weak, and the performance decrease...

the other middle of the winding (disconnected) can be affecting the winding im using...

wrench i tryed 1mm wire for the primary... to have 4 turns my resistance is 0.5ohm... but dont work as well as 0.5mm wire!

woopy if you can plase tell me the data of your windings and the voltage without the load at the end coil AVPLUG... mine is the same on small tower and big one!

hugs

[wrench76]

Good video but those scumbags never give credit where credit is due. I think tesla was mention once in passing comment.

Very true! It also seems like most people will not believe that an unusual, new technology is more than just the work of some crazy madman, unless they see it on TV.

[Zooty]

YouTube - The Gadget Show - Wireless Electricity
just an interesting video I found. Also ,try the tip3055 it is working much better then the tip31 for me

Good video but those scumbags never give credit where credit is due. I think tesla was mention once in passing comment.

[wrench76]

post #605 see link

[Zooty]

Johnny great find on the coil
Wrench attached video showed the painting on the wall with hidden coils
I will try the rectangular coils of the microwave to see ???
Can you show us the circuit ?????

totoalas

Painting on the wall with hidden coils???? Do you have a link to this? Congrats Jonny, excellent find! Just out of curiosity, does the round coil perform as well as the rectangular coil for lighting stuff when not using a receiver? I was also thinking about why your coil arrangement works one way round but not the other. It looks as if a larger mass coil will pick up the energy being transmitted by a smaller mass coil but i just can't see that being the case. Maybe the receiving coil has to have a minimum inductance equal to the transmitter coil. I also noticed that your receiving coil is also acting like a transmitter at the same time. Do you think that maybe there is a 2 way communication between the coils?