Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[totoalas]

SEC L1 Size does matter

Dear all
I just want to post my results on L1 dimensions and performance
Using 26 Awg for L1 and 9 Turns 21 Awg coated wire
13 V dc from ac dy power supply and one 8W flurescent lamp
1. 12 inches tall 1/2 inches dia 50 ma hot transistors w/ low energy

2. 12 icnhes 1/14 dia 30 mA strong energy but hot transistors

3. 10 inches cone 3/4 inch top 3 inches bottom 400 ma very hot transistors

5. 4 inches height 3 inches dia no reaction from circuit

6. 12 INCHES HEIGHT 3 INCHES DIA 90 MA WITH WARM TRANSISTORS

Winner - Slayers SIZE DOES MATTER LOL

[juju]

Exiter

@ all

This afternoon i wanted to beginn a big coil, but Juju is the right man for this courage Juju.

I wound (not so good) a conical slayer L1 on a styrofoam cone i had .
Will make more test but anyway interesting. what do you think ?

Laurent

good idea laurent!

eheh

exiter is really a good name for this things, because one does really get exited near them!



i was in error, my core is only 50cm ... but is not tottaly covered because the wire run out...

the L2 is 150ohm resistance... but i think with my small exiter that have only 10ohm (L2) but more thicker wire, the CFL light more brighter, i have to make more testes, but im not shore if it really compensates all this work to make big ones.

if i touch the L2 output the plasma burns my skin, but does't hurts!

one cool thing is if I hold the neon near the L2 the plasma forms at the tip of the neon just like the L2 does when it is just running (about a 5 mm long purple point)

wrench you were right about the transistors... i get plasma at 6 Volts with the MPSA06, but the TIP 31 C, works much better!

one question, hou much resistance does your L2 and L1 have?

im asking because i tryed the circuit at 12V and my plasma only shows when i aproach the neon to the coil output, when is just running nothing happens... my plasma is maybe 1 or 2 mm with the neon close... im using the TIP 31C...

can you help? i really woould like to have results similar to yours...

EDIT: and if you can tell me the thickness in mm of your coils wire will be a good help to!

hugs

[juju]

However if you use that thin of a wire that it could break, your coil impedance will be quite high. Will be interesting to see how that performs then.

hi xeno, my wire is not as thin as that... maybe 0.2mm i think..

the wire broke because i had an accident with my role of wire... i used the one that was in a fan exaust coil from a damaged microwave!

the wire here his very expensive... the last time i gave near 10 eur for a role of 30ohm... so i think 50 eur will not be enough to make this party!

[redrichie]

The joule thief

This may not be the thread to ask this. I have just finished reading all 20 pages of this thread. The original Joule thief, the one that is made to light an LED off a dead batt., is that circuit an exciter? Using a small toroid as a transformer. Does it produce a small SEC effect? Can you use an AV plug off the run battery of that circuit? Sorry if this is the wrong place.

[luciano]

check this out, Kapandze JL Naudin he is already way up ahead with the replication
YouTube - The KAPAGEN v3.2 with 2100 Watts of Halogen lamps at the OUTPUT

[woopy]

Hi Totoalas
now i understand your circuit i will try it as soon as i receive my wagoon of transistors , because as you know they fry as butter in the sun

OK here a pix of the Slayer conical at 4.5 volt (3 AA battery) the light is good.
I will have to make some comparisons with the straight Slayer coil.

For info my "normal" Slayer coil L1 is 4.4 mh and 22 Ohm and the conical same height coil is 2.2 mh for 16 ohm.

good night

Laurent

[totoalas]

Sec cirxuit L1

Woopy
you are correct...
I have also a cone same size as yours and will try to work on it
How about a double layer L1 direction from bottom to top since the energy is stronger at the top when the bottom is connected to the base
I tried an aluminum for L1 with no luck

Have you tried the cone with fl tubes????

[woopy]

@ Totoalas

Bravo man good job
To understand you correctly the collector of the MPSA06 is connected to the base of the parallel 2n2222 , the emitter of the MPSA06 is connected to nothing, and the base of the MPSA06 is connected to the emitter of the 2N2222, that is to say to the ground, Is it OK so ?

@ all

This afternoon i wanted to beginn a big coil, but Juju is the right man for this courage Juju. And i decided to try something different which perhaps could help.
I wound (not so good) a conical slayer L1 on a styrofoam cone i had .

First i tried a little pancake with 10 turns 0.5mm copper on the top and it works.
Than i made a big pancake on the bottom with also 10 turns (0.8 mm copper with plastic insulation) and it works too. But when i moved the L2 to the middle of L1 it was better than when it is on the bottom. Than i made some try and discovered that to use the whole length of L1 i had to diminish the number of turns
So the last test with only 3 turns of 0.5 mm copper and it gives more than 400 volts at 860 khz at the end of the free L1 with the input of 4.5 volt and 30 ma. But when i go higher voltage the current goes also much higher.
Will make more test but anyway interesting. what do you think ?

good luck

Laurent

[Farrah Day]

Excellent, that's what I needed.

Many thanks SMW.

Farrah

[smw1998a]

I'm beginning to confuse myself here now.

All I can see is the transistor being turn on - what happens in order to turn it off?

Any ideas anybody? Someone please put me out of my misery.

Hi Farrah Day,
This May help.
RapidShare: What Turns The Transistor Off.pdf

Regards Lee.

[Xenomorph]

@totoalas:
That sounds good

I have tried it with another battery that was as dead and when initially connecting it to the charging part,
the voltage across the battery was something like 150 Volts probably due to the messed up internal impedance of the battery. Kept it connected for a day or two and the voltage has steadily dropped until it reached the region of normal battery voltages and then it would stay in that region charging normally.

[totoalas]

Sec Lighting / Charging

Thanks Xeno for the circuit,
Charging
60 vdc at the collector
@120 mA 12. 40 V dc charged my dead battery 0.2 v to 12 v dc in 20 mintues 1.2AH
With lighting and charging the current rose to 156 mA

with 2 parallel 2n2222 and a MPSA06 c to B and B to E
Lighting load 1 8 w and 1 20 w fl lamp 12.46 V dc car battery
Consumption 10 millivolt( 0.01 V ) @90 milliamperes with warm transistors(finger can hold the transistors for more than i minute)
ex 2 pm 12.46 V dc 3 pm 12.45 v dc so 0.01 v dc / hr with .09A just updated

will try tip 3055 next

totoalas

[Xenomorph]

I'm beginning to confuse myself here now.



Woopy, I've cracked it as far as understanding the principle of operation of a basic Joule Thief, but this Slayer cct is not a JT is it, so how can it resonate without the capacitor in place? A basic JT relies on the bifilar wound inductor, but this Slayer cct has no such thing. Without the bifilar wound inductor and without a capacitor in place, how is this cct possibly resonating?? All I can see is the transistor being turn on - what happens in order to turn it off?

Any ideas anybody? Someone please put me out of my misery.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ctroliser2.jpg

The turn off question in general is being discussed since the Bedini SSGs and there is various explanation attempts.
Look at the exciter circuit as an oscillator, it goes back into these times :
YouTube - Lidmotor's Channel
YouTube - Lidmotor's Channel

Slayer´s Exciter´s beauty lies in it´s simplicity, with the possible trade-off of frequency stability compared to other oscillators.

Concerning capacitance, all inductors have parasitic parallel capacitance, and series resistance.

[Farrah Day]

I'm beginning to confuse myself here now.

Farrah

The circuit i use is the Slayer 007 cct. The capacitor is not absolutely necessary but it reduces the current when tuned correctly.

Woopy, I've cracked it as far as understanding the principle of operation of a basic Joule Thief, but this Slayer cct is not a JT is it, so how can it resonate without the capacitor in place? A basic JT relies on the bifilar wound inductor, but this Slayer cct has no such thing. Without the bifilar wound inductor and without a capacitor in place, how is this cct possibly resonating?? All I can see is the transistor being turn on - what happens in order to turn it off?

Any ideas anybody? Someone please put me out of my misery.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ctroliser2.jpg

[Farrah Day]

i think this is a different type/form of energy... my AVplug L1 output shows me 300Volts without load... but one does not get shock!

But if i charge the capacitor of my camera circuit with 300Volts, the circuit dont have almost any current, but it shocks a lot!!

In my experience you need a certain amount of current for charging, if a charge is "too radiant" (as it is sometimes referred to) it will turn out to be fluffy. I had not earth grounded the coil, will try that too.
Because that is basically what happens when you get shocked, that charges flow to ground through you.
With these kinds of coil set-ups it is all about tuning, i have the theory that the interception of small amounts of energy from the surrounding environment is merely a tiny fraction of what it could be when the reception circuit is properly tuned.

It's a similar story with my ignition coil set up, when compared to JD's Joule Thief plasma discharging cct.

I can't touch my plasma spark without getting one hell of a shock, but JD can poke his finger in the plasma with no ill effects whatsover.

Current is the key, or rather the current limiting nature of the circuit. As long as the current is severely limited, then all is well.

The very same thing applies to Van de Graaff generators that can produce perhaps upwards of 100KVolts, yet only provide a current in microamps, due to their inherent extremely high internal resistance.

I think that in the cases of corona discharge particularly, what is being achieved is that the capacitance between transistor n-p juctions in parallel with the primary inductor creates a parallel resonant cct. The better we tune this cct, the higher the voltage we can get across the seconday, whilst at the same time, naturally limiting the current.

I can see no other way that JD can be achieving a plasma discharge that he can happily poke his finger in. But of course, that's only my initial take on things, going on what I've seen... I might be way off the mark!

Farrah