Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[Slider2732]

How do you test for wireless energy ? If the circuit is oscillating the tower should do something, anything. I use an LED on an AV plug and a bit of wire, or a laser LED thing set on white LED with a FWBR made of 1N4148's and 6 turn or so coil....at 2V on any tower that is oscillating there should be a field to 4 or 5 inches out. But hey, if it's charging batteries then that's excellent !
Just surprised me that you were getting no field from it. That tower is artwork, really very nice and different looking.

[Farmhand]

How do you test for wireless energy ? If the circuit is oscillating the tower should do something, anything. I use an LED on an AV plug and a bit of wire, or a laser LED thing set on white LED with a FWBR made of 1N4148's and 6 turn or so coil....at 2V on any tower that is oscillating there should be a field to 4 or 5 inches out. But hey, if it's charging batteries then that's excellent !
Just surprised me that you were getting no field from it. That tower is artwork, really very nice and different looking.

Thanks, I'm checking for a field only with a neon held by the hand. When or if it lights up I know I'm getting somewhere. I ended up tuning the setup while charging batteries and it was doing very well untill everything got really hot I think the charging battery became disconnected and therefore no load. I'm not good with solderless boards I always have trouble with the connections in them. It's battery charging performance before that was very impressive though. I have to leave it again while I wind some more coils. But I will be back to it soon, now that I know what I need to do to make it oscillate, i want to try a few different circuits on it.

Cheers

[lamare]

When I look at your circuit, you have an oscillator very similar to what I have drawn some time ago, with the idea of getting to identical (aircore??) transformers into resonance, just as you resonate one large coil with the JT circuit, so you get a signal on the second transformer that should be low voltage but able to give relatively large amperage, so you may be able to add a diode bridge as load and close the loop eventually. (The coil values shown are just to indicate which coils should be identical and which should have a sigificantly larger number of turns):

This is also still untested...

I finally found some time to test this and it doesn't work the way I intented. I first tested it with two standard transformers 220V - 2 x 18V, and it did oscillate nicely at about 20 kHz and I did get high voltage (enough to light a neon bulb), but no significant current.

Next, I played a bit with Slayer's circuit, using a 2N2219A transistor instead:

On top of L1, I added another coil L3 (continuing winding from the end of L1 on the same tube). I started with 24 windings (2 times the 12 I took for L2) and connected a diode bridge and an electrolytic capacitor of 1000 uF to see if I could charge it. It charged up to about 5V, IIRC.

Then, I extented it to 48 windings, which should give a full wave across L3 and added my diode bridge and capacitor. This would also charge the cap, but no power to mention.

Then, I connected the diode bridge between the top of L1 and the bottom of L3, leaving the upper terminal open. This would charge to about 15V, but again no power.

So, apparantly this is not the way to go.

Next thing I want to try is to wind a coil that is slightly wider than L1 on a plastic tube that can slide over L1, but wind it the other way around (clockwise vs. counter-clockwise). Since I think I need a full wave across that coil in order to get the current at both terminals in phase, I am thinking about taking a bit less than 48 windings (maybe 45 or so), because the coil is a bit wider and thus will have a bit lower resonance frequency if I take the same amount of windings.

I have seen this trick being done by Don Smith, which is very similar to what Kapandze appears to be doing. See my earlier post: http://www.energeticforum.com/115135-post1341.html

What hopefully happens is that you can find a hot spot where the electrostatic component of the oscillation in CW wound L1 is coupled to the CCW wound coil L3 (partly?) on top of it which will also start to resonate. Since the two coils on top of one another are wound in opposite directions, one clockwise, one counterclockwise, the magnetic component should be canceled out, which will hopefully make the energy available that is normally used by the magnetic field being built up.

If this works out, I should be able to charge the cap trough the diode bridge, while hopefully getting not only voltage, but also a significant current. Then, we may be also able to power the circuit from the rectified output of L3 and thus close the loop, so we get a self-running circuit. Keeping my fingers crossed...

[Slider2732]

My fingers are crossed for you too
THAT sounds like a heck of an idea. Best wishes for it.

[lamare]

My fingers are crossed for you too
THAT sounds like a heck of an idea. Best wishes for it.

So far, no succes. But my coils are far from optimal, because I cannot light a fluorescent tube with the setup I have. I have wound L2 next to L1 on the same tube, not across L1. I guess I have to tune the circuit first...

I can charge the cap, but it goes very slowly. It takes about half a minute or so to charge it up to 10-20V or so.

Anyway, I think I will experiment further with this when I have some time and also with some variations of the ideas I posted here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/115135-post1341.html

I still expect that some combination of what Kapanadze is doing with some variation of a Joule thief / SEC exciter circuit will be able to deliver a reasonable amount of DC power trough a diode bridge and probably eventually even power itself.


Update: It could also be that I need a half wave sliding coil instead of a full wave sliding coil (so 20-22 turns or so), so the terminals of the coil are out of phase instead of in phase. At least, that is what my analysis of Kapagen's device (referenced above) suggests.

[Slider2732]

Might you try a coil inside the secondary ?
I've found that the raised pancake spiral works superbly, better than my usual of 2 turns inside the secondary.
The thinking for self running is that the interaction between inner and outer matched resonating coils can form the transistor feedback that triggers the Base...simply because the huge secondary is between the 2 other coils.
We then have 3 coils, similar system, but self determining of the resonance value. Letting the device run itself.

[lamare]

Might you try a coil inside the secondary ?
I've found that the raised pancake spiral works superbly, better than my usual of 2 turns inside the secondary.
The thinking for self running is that the interaction between inner and outer matched resonating coils can form the transistor feedback that triggers the Base...simply because the huge secondary is between the 2 other coils.
We then have 3 coils, similar system, but self determining of the resonance value. Letting the device run itself.

I don't fully understand what you are saying, but this does remind me to share that I have been to a presentation (in Dutch) yesterday during which they showed a star-shaped coil with a magnet inside the centre of the coil (not shown on the pic):

Doorbraak nulpuntenergie: De details (video)

The coil had a diameter of about 12 cm and 16 points and a total of 18 windings. So, the total wire length of the coil was about 12*16*18=3456 cm, or about 35 m.

It was steered with a block-wave of about 6 kHz and at a specific frequency around that 6 kHz, the coil is attracted by the magnet and the magnet is able to lift the coil, so it floats in the air, with the magnet in the middle. Ver interesting, because normally a magnet will not attract an oscillating coil. The magnet was a neodymium magnet, shaped like a tube with a diameter of an estimated 1 cm and an estimated lengt of about 5 cm. It was positioned straight up on top of an iron nail.

On the scope, you could see a dampening oscillation of the coil itself, at a frequency of about 2.3 Mhz (measured from the scope), which would have a 1/4 wave length of about 32.61 m, which is pretty close to the 35 m for a straight wire, so the coil is resonating at it's natural resonance frequency for a while after being excited by 6 kHz pulses.

The circuit is very similar to a solid state Bedini circuit, only driven from an external frequency generator. In the schematic they show a 555, while on the demo they used a function generator.

The fellow who gave the demonstration (Frank Collaris) reported that he got about 20 times as much energy in the charge battery as the amount drawn from the power battery.


And for the counter-clockwise sliding coil:
It may also be a solution to use a full-wave sliding coil, split into two at a quarter. So you would get one coil of about 10-12 turns, and one coil of about 30-36 turns next to one another.
The outer terminals are then in phase and are either left open, are connected trough a wire, or are connected trough a small cap so a DC voltage can be built up.
The diode bridge goes in between the two middle connections, which is at 1/4 lambda, where you should have a high current. This is also what Kapagen is doing, only he places the two coils at the end of his long coil.

[Slider2732]

Put me down for 483 of those and can I have them gift wrapped ?
hehe
You've filled in many gaps from a recent post, yesterday I think, where the Nuburu team did a report on the 'Starship' coil. I have always thought the coil was named 'Star Shaped' and someone misheard...but have no idea.
The circuit shown was the same as you show above...and if that configuration is capable of levitation at resonant frequencies then i'm definitely replicating now
Ed Leedskalnin anyone ?
Place a small coral stone on top of the coil and there we have what may quite possibly be the truth of Coral Castle. Always suspected, never proven and noone really knew how or what he did.

What I meant. Was to have the regular primary and secondary coils, where the primary sits inside the secondary (actually inside the tower), but place a third coil outside the tower. That coil would be resonating with the one inside the secondary.
Or, if your normal build method has the primary outside the secondary, the third coil would be the one inside the secondary.

[lamare]

Ed Leedskalnin anyone ?
Place a small coral stone on top of the coil and there we have what may quite possibly be the truth of Coral Castle. Always suspected, never proven and noone really knew how or what he did.

Errr, they mentioned Leedskalnin in the presentation, too.

Not that they suggested any connection, but still.....


Anyway, note that the 6kHz resonance frequency most likely has something to do with the features of the magnet (material), not with the coil, because when the coil was taken of off the magnet, it would still produce almost the same picture on the scope. So, apparantly somewhere at around 6 kHz, some kind or resonance phenomenon takes place inside this particular magnet. This resonance frequency may depend on the specific magnet material/composition, the size/shape of the magnet, or both.

Since a magnet is sort of like the equivalent of a gyroscope in the ether, it may be that you can bring a magnet out of balance using a coil, so that you have a small window of opportunity to tap some free energy out of this out-of-balance "gyroscope" with your/a coil. See this patent for the basic principle:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/UfoHo...GB2130431A.pdf

The difference between "wobbling" electrons trapped in a tube and wobbling (the electron-trajectories around the nuclei inside) a permanent magnet is that in the first case you are manipulating the spin of the electrons, while in the second case you are manipulating their trajectory around the atom nuclei they are circling. But the principle is the same: get a whole lot of ultra-tiny permanent magnets out of balance, "wobble" them and tap the energy.....

It will be interesting to see wether or not a star-shaped coil is necessary for this effect. I suspect you can get the same effect with other kinds of coils, because the star-shaped coil is resonating at such a low frequency in this particular experiment that I suspect that the star-shape does not do too much out of the ordinary, be it that there is significantly less capacitive coupling between the windings. I guess it would be a whole different story if the star-shaped coil would be oscillating with a frequency in the order of around 600 Mhz, which would have a quarter wave length of about 12.5 cm, or about the same as the diameter of the coil. Then, I suspect you may see the more interesting stuff about this coil, but that is just speculation, I don't really know.

[Slider2732]

Ah, thanks, it was the fact that the presentation was in Dutch that lots of people really didn't grasp much of it. I watched the whole thing, as I enjoy seeing reactions and words used that would have English equivalents. Probably got more time here than most too.

It doesn't work in the way i'm thinking but ....Tesla coils can look like wands, if one wanted. Imagine a 'wand' with 6kHz 555 circuit inside and a 9V battery in the handle. Kind of like a light saber too. Point the 'wand' at a rock that is sat on a magnet and levitate it
Tidy up around the house by shoving magnets all around and using the wand to move things while sat down LOL
Change a car wheel by rolling a mechanics wheeled board under the car, magnet sat on that and use the wand to levitate the car. Hey, if anything like that comes from these findings it'll be a spectacle.

Short term. I'll make one of these, use a mini Tesla tower and different neo's and put pots on the 555 circuit to tune the duty cycle and frequency. I'd like to show a video of a magnet levitating above the tower or hopping from it at a certain frequency and will aim for that.

[totoalas]

Magnetic levitation

Hi Slider and Lamare
Robert 33 did the opposite
he lift the coils away from the magnets

cheers

totoalas



YouTube - ‪MAGNETIC LEVITATION‬‏

[dutchguy]

Hi Lamare,

Did you attend to the presentation of the Niburu team last friday in Soest ?
I am building a starship now trying to replicate with my PWM and mosfet.
Did a lot with bedini circuits in the past, so I want to know exactly how he measures COP. Will attend the presentation of Frank in Beltrum next wednesday. I am from Zutphen, so it will be half an hour drive.

Best regards, Erwin

Errr, they mentioned Leedskalnin in the presentation, too.

Not that they suggested any connection, but still.....


Anyway, note that the 6kHz resonance frequency most likely has something to do with the features of the magnet (material), not with the coil, because when the coil was taken of off the magnet, it would still produce almost the same picture on the scope. So, apparantly somewhere at around 6 kHz, some kind or resonance phenomenon takes place inside this particular magnet. This resonance frequency may depend on the specific magnet material/composition, the size/shape of the magnet, or both.

Since a magnet is sort of like the equivalent of a gyroscope in the ether, it may be that you can bring a magnet out of balance using a coil, so that you have a small window of opportunity to tap some free energy out of this out-of-balance "gyroscope" with your/a coil. See this patent for the basic principle:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/UfoHo...GB2130431A.pdf

The difference between "wobbling" electrons trapped in a tube and wobbling (the electron-trajectories around the nuclei inside) a permanent magnet is that in the first case you are manipulating the spin of the electrons, while in the second case you are manipulating their trajectory around the atom nuclei they are circling. But the principle is the same: get a whole lot of ultra-tiny permanent magnets out of balance, "wobble" them and tap the energy.....

It will be interesting to see wether or not a star-shaped coil is necessary for this effect. I suspect you can get the same effect with other kinds of coils, because the star-shaped coil is resonating at such a low frequency in this particular experiment that I suspect that the star-shape does not do too much. I guess it would be a whole different story if the star-shaped coil would be oscillating with a frequency in the order of around 600 Mhz, which would have a quarter wave length of about 12.5 cm, or about the same as the diameter of the coil. Then, I suspect you may see the more interesting stuff about this coil, but that is just speculation, I don't really know.

[lamare]

Hi Slider and Lamare
Robert 33 did the opposite
he lift the coils away from the magnets

cheers

totoalas



YouTube - ‪MAGNETIC LEVITATION‬‏

Yes, but he is using DC, which makes quite a lot of difference. A coil fed with DC, usually with an iron core, is called an electro-magnet. So, it is normal behavior that you can attrack/repel a magnet with a DC coil. Frank Collaris is using AC, which should normally not attrack/repel a magnet, because the north/south poles continiously change places, so it moves back and forth but not move in one direction.....

@dutchguy : Yes, I went to Soest last friday. For me, it was over an hour drive. I live in Goor. I switch trains every day in Zutphen, btw.

IIRC he measured COP by measuring the charge/voltage in the batteries under drain with a 12V bulb, after disconnecting them from the system.

[Slider2732]

That's great to hear you two fellows are right there
I built up the circuit yesterday and the old bugbear of no test equipment showed through spectacularly - nothing happened
Duty cycle and frequency were twiddled with, but all the while nothing of anything was going on. The coil was a mini Tesla tower though and that's perhaps why. Also, the NE555N was a salvage many years ago from an old circuit and had been soldered up before this experiment...I need to run that as a 1Hz flasher to make sure it actually works !
The phrase I quoted to myself was 'do it properly or not at all'.

[lamare]

Phi heterodyning

I posted an interesting article I found about "Phi heterodyning" here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/146432-post105.html

I think the star-shaped coil is a very interesting candidate for experimenting with that, should anyone feel like trying something extra-ordinary...