Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[Xenomorph]

@totoalas:
You are aware that the SEC-driven CFLs only produce a fraction of brightness compared to the light of your home lights?

[totoalas]

Sec Lighting at Home

Dear All,
Ive been waiting for the 12 v power supply to the Slayer Sec so I can start working on multiple circuits to replace my lighting at home
will post my results ,,,,, charging my batteries using joule thief supplied by solar cell from calculator ,,,,,,
Slayer, is it possible to use a fixed type cap 512 pf in your circuit????
I will try to install in a 20 sq m area for my lighting circuits

Great results and videos Hupe to see more
totoalas

[slayer007]

Thanks Jonny.

Yes, With the higher voltage the field is a lot stronger.
I would have to do some test to see if it also extends the field.

It would be nice to find a transistor that works good and can with stand higher current.
But so far I think the MPSA06 is the best for this.The 2N2222 also works good with it.

[jonnydavro]

@Jules.ThanksIt has also crossed my mind if the plasma is pushing or pulling but there is an ionic wind coming out of the wire as it blows the talc so i am swayed toward pushing and is this not what an ion space drive does,ionize a gas like xenon only i am ionizing air?
I think the plasma output can be increased significantly as there are so many things which are all interconnected which dictates plasma output a quick list would be
Bedini coil-windings,ratio,wire size
Trigger resistors-Adjusting the variable pots changes the frequency
relay coil-resistance
transistor type-mpsa06 is best so far but there could be a better choice
L2-coil type,maybe pancake is best like the slayer sec
L1-Size,winding direction,wire type,open circuit or tied in to positive or negative rail
Resonance also plays a big part here so i will tweak this and that and see where it leads but with so many things inter-related,it may take some time to find the best setup but the road ahead is paved in fun. jonny
@Slayer.Nice vid and mod .The output seems stronger as it is lighting of the meter.What is your opinion?
I must admit,i have gone through a lot of transistors when running on 12v so your mod is a great step towards stability with maximum output.
It would also be nice to find a power transistor which acts like the mpsa06 but i think i remember Dr Stiffler saying that he had tried every transistor he could think off but its worth trying any new transistors you come across as you never know.Nice work.Jonny

[Xenomorph]

@Slayer007:
Thanks for posting this.
I fried 2 2N2222 transistors while using this circuit to desulphate 12 Volt SLAs which works really really good.
With the addition of the 1M resistor and the cap it should save the transistors.

[slayer007]

Here is just a short video showing the Exiter running off a 12v battery.
It works off as high as 18v but much past 12v it's still easy to fry the transistors.

In the video I start it at the lowest setting then turn it up to 3/4 power.

Here is the video.

YouTube - Exiter Running Off 12v.

[slayer007]

HiHere is an experiment looking into plasma propulsion using my Bedini exciter.
I only use the mpsa06 transistor now as the plasma output is very high with this transistor.I also put a 16k resistor from the positive rail to the base of the transistor to ensure self starting when swapping relay coils and i also connected one leg of the slayer L1 coil to the positive rail.

YouTube - Bedini SEC Plasma Propulsion

@Jules.Thanks for posting that vid.Quite amazing experiments from someone who really knows what there doing Jonny..

Amazing results Jonny

It looks like this is one more Great circuit to replicate.

Thanks for sharing.

In this circuit diagram I replaced the 1k resistor with a 1 M resistor and added a 5-512 pf capacitor from the emitter to transistor base.

This way you can control the current more.And it allows you to use higher voltages without blowing the transistors.

[Jules Tresor]

Jonnydavro,
most amazing video, I've never seen plasma moving a wire like this ! You are definitely on something
On the battery it looks like the wire is attracted when the plasma is stronger, then the wire falls back the time the plasma get strong enough to attract the wire back to the battery.
So may be the wire is pumping the gas from the battery, then it falls back when it's full, then start to pump again when the gas has moved further in or along the wire ...
Thanks for sharing

[jonnydavro]

HiHere is an experiment looking into plasma propulsion using my Bedini exciter.
I only use the mpsa06 transistor now as the plasma output is very high with this transistor.I also put a 16k resistor from the positive rail to the base of the transistor to ensure self starting when swapping relay coils and i also connected one leg of the slayer L1 coil to the positive rail.

YouTube - Bedini SEC Plasma Propulsion

@Jules.Thanks for posting that vid.Quite amazing experiments from someone who really knows what there doing Jonny..

[Jules Tresor]

A nice video

Sorry if you know already this video, but it's a nice one:
YouTube - Tesla type transmission

Look at the spark on the bulb !

[Lidmotor]

Hammer hitting instead of poking a SEC

@ lidmotor
I'd recommend a capacitor discharge for the Slayer primary....Why not charge a cap to a determined voltage, and then dump it though the coil with a zener or a reverse biased transistor for an avalanche discharge? You only have a loose coupling between the primary and secondary, so you should hit that thing like a hammer, not continuously poke it.... The more often you dump a charge though it, the more you disturb and prematurely kill the ringdown resonance of the secondary(that is if you don't make the primary and secondary resonant with each other or drive the secondary at its resonance).... Maybe have it dump the cap through the primary and into the + of a battery for charging?

Thanks for the tip about cap discharging into the primary. I have been studying Tesla coil circuits lately and it appears that is how those work. The thing about the SEC exciters though, is that they run in the RF range to get the job done and they don't produce the super high voltage like actual Tesla coils do.
According to Dr. Stiffler, it is not just the resonating of the coils that we are after but a resonating of the whole local environment around the device. He calls it "Spatial resonance". I can see it happen but I still don't understand the "why" of it.

Lidmotor

[baroutologos]

Thanks for reply,

I am interesting in hardwired CFL or FL for a start and not LEDs. I have some experience with SEC running on 12V 50-60mA that light my plain 20 watt FL lamp to about 30-40% brightness.

My best achievement so far toward this

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

@ lidmotor
I'd recommend a capacitor discharge for the Slayer primary....Why not charge a cap to a determined voltage, and then dump it though the coil with a zener or a reverse biased transistor for an avalanche discharge? You only have a loose coupling between the primary and secondary, so you should hit that thing like a hammer, not continuously poke it.... The more often you dump a charge though it, the more you disturb and prematurely kill the ringdown resonance of the secondary(that is if you don't make the primary and secondary resonant with each other or drive the secondary at its resonance).... Maybe have it dump the cap through the primary and into the + of a battery for charging?

[serfer5]

Hey,

I am not following this typoe of threads much so i have to ask you a question.
Which circuit so far has been most efficient for lightninging purposes?

SEC? Joule thief? Another?

depends what you want to do, if you want to just light some LEDs and a CFL hard wired then the joule thief will work. if you want to go wireless then Slayers007 SEC exciter is the way to go. Jonnydavro also has a good SEC design for wireless. well in my opinion any ways

[1NRG24Seven]

but if it is a potential voltage, it is not real voltage? if i light a CFL with that will it work? i have to go buy one...

i do get shock when i touch the output.

i made some changes and now im drawing: 0,090mA x 5,5V = 0,49W

and im getting: 0,035mA x 3,7V = 0,13W (With a 14Led panel load)

and with a neon bulb load i get: 0,001mA x 80V = 0,08W

without load i still have the potential 150V.. 150V x 0,035mA = 5,25W... it was to good to be truth...

are this results in someway special, or is this completely normal? sorry im a newbie and experimenter in this stuff, dont know to much...

the truth is that with a sec exiter i never can output more than 1mA and in this case i get 35mA..

edit: forget it, i was confused, the 35mA are not in the output, but in the capture

big hugs

Don't you mean "mW" instead of watts?