Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[jonnydavro]

@Slayer.Amazing Vid. You have outdone yourself on this one and this should hopefully be easily replicated.Thanks for sharing.jonny

[slayer007]

This might not be that easy to replicate.
I messed with it last night and lost the effect I had going.
I let it run all night after messing with it but it lost most of the voltage in the capacitor.And it quite working some time in the night the voltage in the cap was 100 mV when it stoped.

I recharged the capacitor this morning to 1 volt.
It's running right now but it's slowly loosing power.
The field is a lot stronger now and I'm having a hard time getting the current draw back down in the uA range.

@Xee2 this is Dr Stiffler's channel he now has two video's of his self runner.

YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel

[DrStiffler]

This might not be that easy to replicate.
I messed with it last night and lost the effect I had going.
I let it run all night after messing with it but it lost most of the voltage in the capacitor.And it quite working some time in the night the voltage in the cap was 100 mV when it stoped.

I recharged the capacitor this morning to 1 volt.
It's running right now but it's slowly loosing power.
The field is a lot stronger now and I'm having a hard time getting the current draw back down in the uA range.

@Xee2 this is Dr Stiffler's channel he now has two video's of his self runner.

YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel

Don't forget that if you are actually in SEC mode that there are diurnal effects, this has been known for some time. Also temperature will affect the operation. To cold it will not work, to hot it will not work. It is very hard to get it in the right mode. On an 18-1e it is maybe just 1/16 turn either way on the tuning cap and its gone.

Good luck and keep at it.

BTW I am now driving a full LED panel in SP SEC mode.

[xee2]

@ slayer007

Electrolytic capacitors are known to sometimes self charge much like a battery will regain voltage when left sitting with no load on it. Electrolytic capacitors will sometimes also not show a voltage increase when subjected to very small currents for a short time. This is because the chemical reactions in the electrolyte are sometimes non-linear at very small currents and voltages.

A small mica capacitor would increase in voltage much quicker from the same amount of energy input and they do not have this effect (although they can pick up a small charge from currents induced in the wires attached to them when left sitting unconnected).

[Lidmotor]

Replication???

This might not be that easy to replicate.
I messed with it last night and lost the effect I had going.
I let it run all night after messing with it but it lost most of the voltage in the capacitor.And it quite working some time in the night the voltage in the cap was 100 mV when it stoped.

I recharged the capacitor this morning to 1 volt.
It's running right now but it's slowly loosing power.
The field is a lot stronger now and I'm having a hard time getting the current draw back down in the uA range.

@Xee2 this is Dr Stiffler's channel he now has two video's of his self runner.

YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel

@ Slayer, Dr. Stiffler, and All
I worked for two days trying to replicate Dr. Stiffler's experiment and then Slayer's. I had no luck until late yesterday afternoon when my 10F / 2.5volt super cap started to gain voltage while the Slayer circuit was running. It was at about .5 volts. This was not just a typical cap bouncing back---it was actually gaining voltage while the circuit was running. This is the only time in all my experiment that I have seen that happen.
Just like what happened to Slayer---the event was short lived. While fiddling around trying to get an LED to light, I moved something or the "environment" changed and now the cap just drains down in a normal fashion.
My computer crashed yesterday afternoon before I could hook up the computer O-Scope to see the frequencies so I don't know what the circuit was running at when the event happened. The cap voltage was 511.3 millivolts and climbing.
This is the kind of thing that makes one go mad. If I can't replicate this again in the next few days I will not spend any more time on it----but if I see more people doing it then I will.
@ Dr. Stiffler
I worked with the SEC-18E on this but could not get the effect to happen. It was perhaps because I don't have those large coils that you have. The super cap that Slayer and I are using should work just fine instead of that large cap that you have. Any tips on how I can replicate the experiment would be greatly appreciate.
Thanks,

Lidmotor

[slayer007]

@ Xee2

Thanks but I did let the cap rest till it started to loose power.
Then I started the circuit and the cap started to slowly climb.

@ Lidmotor

Thanks for posting your results I thought I was going crazy.
I have been messing with my setup today and I still can not get the cap to climb in voltage like yesterday.

As Dr Stiffler mentioned the weather could have alot to do with our results.

I'm not giving up yet.

[slayer007]

Well I finally have it running itself agine.
I worked in it for a few hours gave up on it then came back and it started running on it's own.

So don't give up Lidmotor.

I'm still using the old PNP transistor connected the right way but I have the base resistor disconnected.
I did a tap start with it got it going then disconnected the resistor from the base.

I have a meter on it to measure the current it's using 10 to 30 uA.
When it was started there was 160.1 mV in the cap it is now up to 168.9 mV.

This time I won't touch it for 24 hours unless it stops agine.

[DrStiffler]

@ Slayer, Dr. Stiffler, and All
I worked for two days trying to replicate Dr. Stiffler's experiment and then Slayer's. I had no luck until late yesterday afternoon when my 10F / 2.5volt super cap started to gain voltage while the Slayer circuit was running. It was at about .5 volts. This was not just a typical cap bouncing back---it was actually gaining voltage while the circuit was running. This is the only time in all my experiment that I have seen that happen.
Just like what happened to Slayer---the event was short lived. While fiddling around trying to get an LED to light, I moved something or the "environment" changed and now the cap just drains down in a normal fashion.
My computer crashed yesterday afternoon before I could hook up the computer O-Scope to see the frequencies so I don't know what the circuit was running at when the event happened. The cap voltage was 511.3 millivolts and climbing.
This is the kind of thing that makes one go mad. If I can't replicate this again in the next few days I will not spend any more time on it----but if I see more people doing it then I will.
@ Dr. Stiffler
I worked with the SEC-18E on this but could not get the effect to happen. It was perhaps because I don't have those large coils that you have. The super cap that Slayer and I are using should work just fine instead of that large cap that you have. Any tips on how I can replicate the experiment would be greatly appreciate.
Thanks,

Lidmotor

@lidmotor

Well the reason I never ask for replications was that I thought it would be impossible or a crap shoot at least for anyone to get it running without an SA. There is required a specific set of frequencies with a fundamental of ~7.8MHz. The scalar freq must be present and this is where the SA is so important.

Next day or two I will post another video. The circuit currently is running a 12 LED panel, the 18-1e and charging a 4.2V SLA.

I am surprised that someone tried this and had success without knowing the requirements. Oh, the LED panel I am driving, it must be a Spatial Connection, the board, AV and short length of wire. If you connect direct to the L3 it don't work so well.

[DrStiffler]

Well I finally have it running itself agine.
I worked in it for a few hours gave up on it then came back and it started running on it's own.

So don't give up Lidmotor.

I'm still using the old PNP transistor connected the right way but I have the base resistor disconnected.
I did a tap start with it got it going then disconnected the resistor from the base.

I have a meter on it to measure the current it's using 10 to 30 uA.
When it was started there was 160.1 mV in the cap it is now up to 168.9 mV.

This time I won't touch it for 24 hours unless it stops agine.

@Slayer
Depending on you circuit which is very different than mine, it is hard to compare results, yet I will give you some spec's.

With a 3F cap, the charge rate is ~100mV/Sec. This is self limiting as the voltage gets to a certain point into my Exciter the current leaves linear increase which pulls back down the charge. The circuit will then oscillate between to to set points.

With the voltages you are seeing I think the diurnal effect will kill it off.

[slayer007]

@Slayer
Depending on you circuit which is very different than mine, it is hard to compare results, yet I will give you some spec's.

With a 3F cap, the charge rate is ~100mV/Sec. This is self limiting as the voltage gets to a certain point into my Exciter the current leaves linear increase which pulls back down the charge. The circuit will then oscillate between to to set points.

With the voltages you are seeing I think the diurnal effect will kill it off.

Dr Stiffler thank you.

The circuit I have been working on is in my garage and it is not heated.
That would explain why it quite working on me last night as it was very cold last night.
This time I won't touch it at all till in the morning and see if it last all night.

Doc I can't wait to see your next video this is getting Very Exciting.

Thanks for all you have done.

[area46241]

Wow you were not kidding about 2010...

I new you you were gonna do it Dr. Stiffler. I don't have a PHD obviously after posting my rfmicrocharger circuit and took a bashing but i didn't mind. It was all good fun and learning.It was the only circuit I had the parts for at the time and after watching your video I am going to try to get it to self run. After spending 23 years as an ace auto mechanic I know when I spot a true genious. The whole back emf thing has rung true for me ever since getting shocked into infinity from a starter motor BEMF. Thanks for great info I've been studying it vigorously. Slayer you kick butt and Jonny thanks for the kind words and awesome circuits. I'm shuttin up now It's time for my colloidal silver and an hour under the pyramid!

one last thing then you guys can rip me apart The resonant Q is tuned to the BEMF?

[Lidmotor]

Still working on "IT"

@Dr. Stiffler & Slayer
I was busy doing other things today but I had a little bit of time to work on "IT". I changed transistors and readjusted things and the thing started working again. I ran it all day and the cap seemed to go up to a certain level and stop. Today "IT" liked 464.8 millivolts. Once again I started fiddling around and the cap started going down again ---and it happened at about at the same time as yesterday.
I'll try again tomorrow. I'm kinda amazed that the circuit runs at this low of a voltage but it truely is running.
Thanks for the encouragement and the tip about what frequency to look for Doc. I really look forward to your next video. Many of us have been waiting for this for a long long time.

Lidmotor

[juju]

hello everybody! )



all my thanks to mr. slayer and mr. jonny, that are very kind and spectacular persons, cannot say the same of mr lid (just playing arround, your vids are the ones i like most),

the slayer circuit is really amazing, it gived me best results that the simple sec circuit using the camera trigger coil.

And i still have only tested low voltages and very short coils, the small coil is 6 turns (0,4 ohm), the big one have 5.7 ohm, and is very short in lenght, only 6 centimeters.

My current draw with a 3.7V 1100mAh, is 96mA, with only 1 led av plug at the end of the big coil, if i touch that connection with my other detector it draws 102mA, and the same when it is near the coil or touching it, in the base resistor it draws 100mA.

Cannot wait to experiment it with my 12V 1.3Ah that is charging...

its very good to get involved with you guys, i hope i can post some of my findings in other radiant stuff that im working to, im shore some of them are very interesting for cool experimenting people, like you are.


cheers

[slayer007]

all my thanks to mr. slayer and mr. jonny, that are very kind and spectacular persons, cannot say the same of mr lid (just playing arround, your vids are the ones i like most),

the slayer circuit is really amazing, it gived me best results that the simple sec circuit using the camera trigger coil.

And i still have only tested low voltages and very short coils, the small coil is 6 turns (0,4 ohm), the big one have 5.7 ohm, and is very short in lenght, only 6 centimeters.

My current draw with a 3.7V 1100mAh, is 96mA, with only 1 led av plug at the end of the big coil, if i touch that connection with my other detector it draws 102mA, and the same when it is near the coil or touching it, in the base resistor it draws 100mA.

Cannot wait to experiment it with my 12V 1.3Ah that is charging...

its very good to get involved with you guys, i hope i can post some of my findings in other radiant stuff that im working to, im shore some of them are very interesting for cool experimenting people, like you are.


cheers

Juju

Wecome to the forum and thanks for posting your results.

When you go to a bigger coil you should see some better results.

[juju]

thanks slayer

i will get more wire to end the coil, so the total lenght will be 24cm!

the results in my last post was with my 8000mcd led detector connected to the end of the big coil, and the "other one" that e mention was the 20.000mcd led detector...

i switch them, and now instead of increasing my current draw when i aproach the detector to the coil, my current draw decrease arround 5mA.

so with more load arround the field, more drop i see in the current consumption.

i found that the 20.000mcd leds are not so good in this kind of units... that is my advice based in my experience!


this is very exiting!!!