Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[sniky]

hi Slayer,
Can you tell me, if you know what is the best wire size for a bigger coil?

I wound a 1 1/2 inch coil with wire of 0.4 mm (i think is 26 awg)
500 turns (run out of space on that), and I can light 20W cfl of that with a 9V battery (not fully bright ...)

I want to make a bigger coil like yours, but 1 meter long ... and I was wondering what wire size would be best the same 0.4 mm or to go to a 0.6 mm(23awg) or 0.3 mm(29awg) ( I need to go buy some wire )

Someone try the same coil length (in turns ) with different wire sizes and see what is the best?

Thanks for everything

[slayer007]

hi Slayer,
Can you tell me, if you know what is the best wire size for a bigger coil?

I wound a 1 1/2 inch coil with wire of 0.4 mm (i think is 26 awg)
500 turns (run out of space on that), and I can light 20W cfl of that with a 9V battery (not fully bright ...)

I want to make a bigger coil like yours, but 1 meter long ... and I was wondering what wire size would be best the same 0.4 mm or to go to a 0.6 mm(23awg) or 0.3 mm(29awg) ( I need to go buy some wire )

Someone try the same coil length (in turns ) with different wire sizes and see what is the best?

Thanks for everything

The wire I'm using is 23awg.To be honest I haven't tried different sizes.This was the only wire I had around were I had enough to make the big coil.

I haven't tried that long of a coil the biggest I made so far was 16" long.
I had better preformence with the 14" but the 16" coil works good for a receiver tower.

As far as diameter the biggest I tried there was 4" in diameter.
But I also had better preformance with the 3.25" diameter coil.

If you go with the longer coil please post your findings.

[sniky]

thanks,
I will post the findings, but first I need to get the wire and do the coil...
Somebody know a good and easy jig for winding coils

I will try to make a winding jig first (when with the small one I did, my hand hurt for 2 days... )

[slayer007]

thanks,
I will post the findings, but first I need to get the wire and do the coil...
Somebody know a good and easy jig for winding coils

I will try to make a winding jig first (when with the small one I did, my hand hurt for 2 days... )

LOL, Right it takes me around 2 hours to wind one of the big coils by hand.

When you wind your coil make sure you get the windings as tight as you can.
I also taped my coil as I wound it so the windings won't loosen up on the coil.

[Lidmotor]

'Slayer Exciter' self-charging and running

@ Slayer & Dr. Stiffler
Well I got the 'Slayer Exciter' to run and self-charge and made a quick video before the "effect" went away. I have no idea why this is doing what it is doing. Dr. Stiffler I do not believe that what I am seeing is the same thing that you have done. It IS a very interesting thing to watch and I have never seen it happen before. I thought that it was just the cap rebounding but now I'm not so sure. The electronic equipment in the local area are NOT the reason for it but ambient 60Hz noise in the house might account for it.
Here is the video of it. The O-scope is not attached to the circuit but the volt meter is. I have disconnected that meter of course to see if that was causing it. It isn't.

YouTube - Slayer Exciter self-charging & running.ASF

Lidmotor

[jonnydavro]

@Lidmotor.Fantastic job replicating slayers self running exciterand i see you have done it slightly differently and i am quite stunned really but in a nice way.Tried to comment on utube but it won't let me.
Your setup seems to light the led very well and i am wondering what the current draw of the exciter is when its running and with the led.I ask this as i want to try this but i need to make some more coils but in the meantime,if i can get the slayer exciter running similar to yours,it will make it much easier to replicate.
I see in your vid that you think this effect may be stray rf but that is quite easy to test by like you say,moving it somewhere remote or maybe another boat trip but the fact that Dr Stiffler is looking into this and hopefully will blow us away with his next vid make's me feel that it is unlikely to be stray rf and you and slayer have a real enigma on your hands.What a nice position to be in.Either way its got win written all over it as circuit that lights an led for free is a new one on me however it does it.
Also the fact that an led is lighting on such low input voltage is a head scratcher by itself.Great work.Jonny.
@Juju.Hi Juju.Great to see you here and we look forward to see your experiments.Jonny

[Lidmotor]

The "Head Scratcher"

@Lidmotor.Fantastic job replicating slayers self running exciterand i see you have done it slightly differently and i am quite stunned really but in a nice way.Tried to comment on utube but it won't let me.
Your setup seems to light the led very well and i am wondering what the current draw of the exciter is when its running and with the led.I ask this as i want to try this but i need to make some more coils but in the meantime,if i can get the slayer exciter running similar to yours,it will make it much easier to replicate.
I see in your vid that you think this effect may be stray rf but that is quite easy to test by like you say,moving it somewhere remote or maybe another boat trip but the fact that Dr Stiffler is looking into this and hopefully will blow us away with his next vid make's me feel that it is unlikely to be stray rf and you and slayer have a real enigma on your hands.What a nice position to be in.Either way its got win written all over it as circuit that lights an led for free is a new one on me however it does it.
Also the fact that an led is lighting on such low input voltage is a head scratcher by itself.Great work.Jonny.
@Juju.Hi Juju.Great to see you here and we look forward to see your experiments.Jonny

Good name Jonny for what is going on here---"head scratcher". I looked at the amp draw this morning and it is like what Slayer saw on his --10uA and up. That is OUTGOING from the supercap. That is what my meter says is draining OUT of the 10F/ 2.5 volt supercap!!! So why does my cap gain voltage??
I have a different arrangement than what Slayer has. My big coil is smaller than his and I am using two Dr. Stiffler SEC towers. I come off of the Slayer SEC big coil into the bottom of the first Stiffler SEC tower. That tower has 27 LEDs in series attached via an AV plug to the top hat which is connected to the end of the tower coil. The second SEC tower is the pickup unit that feeds the energy back into the circuit via another AV pulg. I am using a 35v/100uf cap at that point where the energy feeds back into the circuit. Just like Slayer, I am using one PNP transistor. It is a 2N2907. A ground wire is attached between a block of aluminum and the negative rail (I tried an earth ground also and that worked too). I am using a 1 meg ohm pot with a 100ohm resistor between the transistor base and the (-) rail. To start the circuit I charge the cap up to about 1 volt and then turn the resistance down on the pot until the circuit starts running. At that point I can turn the resistance way up or even disconnect the pot. The 27 LED panel comes on bright and starts draining the cap at about 30mA. When they stop lighting up (at around 550 mv) is when the magic show begins and the cap starts going back up. By adjusting the pot just right (like I showed in the video) I can still light up one LED dimly and the cap will show a increasing ("effect" ?? ) in voltage.
I really don't know what all this means but I will take this experiment down to the boat and see what happens there.



Lidmotor

[Inquorate]

how I believe the systems work

@lidmotor, I came up with a theory that explains how these devices work. The dr stiffler's based systems simply use environmental capacitance instead of my simple inductor.

I presented my ideas here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...roperties.html

[slayer007]

@ Slayer & Dr. Stiffler
Well I got the 'Slayer Exciter' to run and self-charge and made a quick video before the "effect" went away. I have no idea why this is doing what it is doing. Dr. Stiffler I do not believe that what I am seeing is the same thing that you have done. It IS a very interesting thing to watch and I have never seen it happen before. I thought that it was just the cap rebounding but now I'm not so sure. The electronic equipment in the local area are NOT the reason for it but ambient 60Hz noise in the house might account for it.
Here is the video of it. The O-scope is not attached to the circuit but the volt meter is. I have disconnected that meter of course to see if that was causing it. It isn't.

YouTube - Slayer Exciter self-charging & running.ASF

Lidmotor

Fantastic video Lidmotor.

I tried to leave a comment on youtube but I don't know if it went.

I noticed with my coil there is three hot spots on the L1 coil when it is running in selfrun mode.
The bottom middle and the top the middle was the strongest.
If you take your led on the AV plug and run it up the coil you should be able to see the effect.
Or if you take you scope probe with nothing attached to it and slowly move it from the bottom to the top of the coil.
The hottest spot for me was the middle of the coil.The SA said it was around 13 to 18 MHZ.
This scope shot might be showing the three compounding waveforms.

Like I said GREAT Video as always thanks for posing it.

[juju]

slayer i think this can be is interesting

the wire im using in my big coil is magnet wire 24 gage, i realized that the coil dont have a big field arround it, the big effect i was seeing was arround the cable, that go's from the end of the big coil to my avplug that is right in the top of the coil.

That plastic covered cable is from a cpu power supply, i have it from one croc (end of the coil) to another croc (avplug) to make easy connections, it is not single wire, its a lot of thin wires winded.

For you to see the big difference, i will only light up my detector, 2 or 3 cm far, arround the coil, because mine is still small (5,7ohm), but arround that cable, i can get light like 15 cm far distance.

i dont know if you were allready aware of this, because this cable seems like the one you use in the small coil, is that single wire?

i will buy some big lenght of the same plastic covered winded wires, and wound a big coil, i have a feelling that it will maximize 4 or 5 times the distance and the effect compared with the single wire, based in what i see in my replication.

[Lidmotor]

Capacitance

@lidmotor, I came up with a theory that explains how these devices work. The dr stiffler's based systems simply use environmental capacitance instead of my simple inductor.

I presented my ideas here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...roperties.html

This is the same direction that I am taking. Capacitance coupling might hold the key to how we can use this phenomenon. Mother Earth uses it all the time to make lightning. If we could do it and control the situation--- then we don't have an energy problem any more. I think that the SEC exciter circuits shake the energy "lattice" (as Dr. Stiffler calls it) and the energy forms as a potential in the environment. It like a group of guys forming up into two teams on a playing field ready to play a ball game. The SEC exciters are the catalyst for the groups forming up. Once the two groups form up --- when the whistle blows the action starts.
Just my thoughts on this.

Lidmotor

[synchro]

Joe Tates power reciever circuit.

I built and sucessfully tested Joe Tate's power reciever circuit, consisting of four germanium diodes and four voltage doubling capacitors, two 100 Mf electrolytic and two .01 Mf ceramic, an antenna and a ground. I used the twenty-two foot aluminum mast on my sailboat for the antenna and the metal keel for the ground. During the day It generated three fourths of a watt, 1.5 volts and half an amp. During the night the output dropped nearly in half. Could the Sun be a source of energy in the self powered SEC? Also it appeared to peak at ten a.m. and two p.m., perhaps the position of the Moon may also be a factor as Townsand Brown theorized to explain this diurnal effect.

[slayer007]

I built and sucessfully tested Joe Tate's power reciever circuit, consisting of four germanium diodes and four voltage doubling capacitors, two 100 Mf electrolytic and two .01 Mf ceramic, an antenna and a ground. I used the twenty-two foot aluminum mast on my sailboat for the antenna and the metal keel for the ground. During the day It generated three fourths of a watt, 1.5 volts and half an amp. During the night the output dropped nearly in half. Could the Sun be a source of energy in the self powered SEC? Also it appeared to peak at ten a.m. and two p.m., perhaps the position of the Moon may also be a factor as Townsand Brown theorized to explain this diurnal effect.

I have also noticed with the Exiter I have been working on.
Just like you said ten a.m. and two p.m. with two p.m. being the best time.

It also likes warmer weather.Last week it warmed up a little thats when I was getting the best performance.

If it ever warms up around here I'll have to try it out side in the sun and see if it makes a difference.

@ Lidmotor was there a time of day that was best for you also?

[jonnydavro]

I built and sucessfully tested Joe Tate's power reciever circuit, consisting of four germanium diodes and four voltage doubling capacitors, two 100 Mf electrolytic and two .01 Mf ceramic, an antenna and a ground. I used the twenty-two foot aluminum mast on my sailboat for the antenna and the metal keel for the ground. During the day It generated three fourths of a watt, 1.5 volts and half an amp. During the night the output dropped nearly in half. Could the Sun be a source of energy in the self powered SEC? Also it appeared to peak at ten a.m. and two p.m., perhaps the position of the Moon may also be a factor as Townsand Brown theorized to explain this diurnal effect.

@Synchro.Hi .Funny you should post this as i ordered some germanium diodes last week to try this.This seems a great source of free electricity and with Slayer and lidmotor running there exciters on microamps alass not me yet but i think thats down to me not using the right transistors but i will get there .
I don't know if the joe tate circuit is the same one as i have been looking at.I plan on having ago at what this experimenter has been trying.
YouTube - INVENTOR3's Channel
His vids on this are fantastic and the evolution of his circuits is amazing as he goes from 1v to over 130v by his last vid.What i found interesting was his use of coils.Jonny

[Lidmotor]

Joe Tate power module

I built and sucessfully tested Joe Tate's power reciever circuit, consisting of four germanium diodes and four voltage doubling capacitors, two 100 Mf electrolytic and two .01 Mf ceramic, an antenna and a ground. I used the twenty-two foot aluminum mast on my sailboat for the antenna and the metal keel for the ground. During the day It generated three fourths of a watt, 1.5 volts and half an amp. During the night the output dropped nearly in half. Could the Sun be a source of energy in the self powered SEC? Also it appeared to peak at ten a.m. and two p.m., perhaps the position of the Moon may also be a factor as Townsand Brown theorized to explain this diurnal effect.

I made one of these but I used the wrong diodes and it didn't work. I will have to get the right ones and try it on my boat. I have a 35ft mast so it should work well and run Slayer's SEC just fine.
Here is a video of my latest test with the oscillator running on about a volt. I decided that I was seeing a cap "bounce in my setup and not a true self-running situation. It still needs to be looked at and if I can get that Joe Tate module to work then we really have a winner.
Thanks Slayer for the tip about moving the O-Scope probe up and dowm the coil to find the hot spot frequencies. I show it in the video.
Jonny-- I am using a PNP transistor like Slayer and all you have to do is reverse the (+) and (-) at the source. That might be why I am getting the results that I am.

YouTube - Slayer Exciter NOT!! self-charging.ASF

Cheers,

Lidmotor