Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[dragon]

Also if you read down three paragraphs he talks about Magnifying the current. He uses the words magnifying or magnification several times in that paragraph. It is the primary current he is talking about which in turn magnify's the current in the Antenna. The magnification of curent is proportional to the ratio of the inductance to the resistance of the circuit.

Page 11 paragraph #2
Nikola Tesla on his work with ... - Google Books

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https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91...1329&sc=photos

This is the patent he refers to in that paragraph.
NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

Farmhand, the magnification of current in the primary he is talking about refers to the discharge of a capacitor into an inductor. When you charge a cap and dump it into a low inductance it gets converted to amperage. The formula is V(C/L)^.5 = current at 1/4 cycle.

For instance say we charge a .005 uf cap to 6500 volts and discharge it into an inductance of 3uh. You would have a discharge equivalent to 265 amps flowing through the inductor. ( 6500*(.005/3)^.5 = 265.36 ). Typically the primary coil is very large and extremely low resistance.

Tesla also reports that placing a foil near the primary coil will explode the foil in a flash which would indicate a huge inductive heating effect of a resonant circuit caused from the high amperage flowing in the coil.

The hammer that rings the bell...

[lamare]

@lamare - Lidmotor uses the Hartley in this vid: ‪Hartley - Slayer Exciter.ASF‬‏ - YouTube
Slayers' implementation can be seen here: ‪Hartley Oscillator Replication‬‏ - YouTube
Lidmotors' circuit is here: ‪Cement battery running a Hartley Oscillator Transmitter.ASF‬‏ - YouTube

Thanks!

Took a few screenshots of the schematic and the coil. Note that the feedback coil is wound in the opposit direction on top of the activation coil in this case.

Also note that with this coil, the feedback coil is 25 turns and the activated coil is 50 turns. So, apparantly you need a half wave between the central tap and the emitter of the transistor and a quarter wave between the centrap tap and the feedback to the base. So, that would mean for my coil: 12 turns for the feedback and 24 for the one to be activated by the transistor. If that is correct, then it appears you can treat the steering of the transistor to be by voltage and very low current, so you need to tap it one quarter wave further because of the 90 degree difference between current and voltage.

Looks like the best thing to do is to add an (or 2) extra tap(s) to the full-wave section of my coil, so I can easily change and just see what works best in practice. If the theory is confusing, then practice should be leading....




Update: Found another version of this same schematic:

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It says that this one does not produce continous oscillation:

The combined inductance of L1-L2 is resonated by C2 to set the oscillator's RF output frequency. The RF would be continuous if feedback conditions were stable. But in this circuit, C1 charges in just a few RF cycles and saturates the transistor, then discharges more slowly. The result is short periods of oscillation, as shown in the waveforms of Figure 2.

The 100pF C2 determines the oscillation frequency, together with L1/L2. I saw in Lidmotor's video that he could adjust the oscillation frequency, which he appeared to be doing by adjusting the potmeter (variable resistor). While it suggests that C1 is being charged by RF, it is being charged by the DC path from the PS trough R1 at the top and trough L1 and L2 to ground...

Since I can't spot any significance difference between the two schematics, and Lidmotor's frequency adjustment stuff, it looks like we have to add some modifications to make it oscillate continously.


Update 2: Here's another one:

HARTLEY OSCILLATOR - Circuit Diagram - Forum - SeekIC.com

The oscillator's operating frequency is determined by the values of L1 and C3. The feedback level is determined by the location of the tap on L1, which normally will be about one-fifth to one-fourth of the total turns. As an example, the Hartley oscillator will operate in the 5-MHz range with the following LC values: L1 is 20 turns of 18 enameled copper wire close wound on a 1-inch plastic form with a tap up five turns from the bottom. Capacitor C3 can be any small variable capacitor with a maximum capacitance value of 100 pF. With the proper LC values, the Hartley oscillator can operate from audio to UHF.

Note that the resistor between base and collector of the transistor is significantly bigger than one oscillating in burst mode. So, indeed the cap is charged trough the resistor and apparantly if the resistor is sufficiently big, you get continous oscillation.


Update 3:
Here I found one that is capable of running on 10 mV :

Extreme Laagspanning Oscillator :: Elektronica Meettechniek

A quick translation of the accompaning text:

For the design of an extreme low voltage-oscillator, the Hartley version has been chosen. With this type of oscillator there is a direct DC-coupling between gate and source trough N1 of the transformer. Hereby the DC bias Ugs = 0V of the J-FET is established.

In order to get the oscillator functioning at 10 mV power supply it turned out that the amplification of one J-FET was insufficient. By switching two in parallel enough amplification could be created.

The oscillation frequency is about 20 kHZ and the output voltage is about 1.2V. At 10 mV it draws about 70 uA.

The turns-ratio of the transformer makes sure there is enough AC voltage at the gate to get the oscillator into operation.
The energy this oscillator delivers is very small. The load of a measuring instrument can already be too much. When testing we used an oscilloscope with a 1:10 probe with a resistance of 10 M and a capacity of 12 pF.

The transformer has been wound on a Amidon EA-77-199 core. N1 is 900 turns 0.5 mm and N2 is 4 turns of copper strip with a thickness of 50 um.

The article also says that a J-FET is very suitable for circuits working at extermely low voltages, because bipolar transistors suffer from PN junction-voltages of 500-600 mV at small currents. It also says the BF245A is the most suitable of the 4 types shown, because it has the lowest DC current and the highest gain.


Update 4:
Here's someone that manages to go as low as 5.5 mV supply voltage, and 0.41 mA :
Oscillator with super low supply voltage

And he manages to run it from....





...a candle-powered thermocouple!!

Thermocouple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oscillator powered by a thermocouple.

The oscillator described above (version 6) is now connected to a thermocouple.
The thermocouple is one as used in gas heaters.

The thermocouple used gives about 13 mV when heated by my soldering iron (370 °C).
In or just above a candle flame, the output is about 20 mV
In a gas flame, the output is about 40 mV, and the thermocouple is then red hot.

The pictures below show the test set-up of the oscillator, and the thermocouple above the candle flame.

The oscillator is running very well on this "power supply"

I feel the arrival of vids showing candle-powered Joulethiefs lighting fluorescents coming.


This fellow also says a JFET is the best choice for low voltage:

A junction FET is used because these FET's already conduct at zero gate voltage (Vgs= 0V).
Other active elements like transistors or most MOSFET's need a certain voltage at the input before they start conducting.
And we don't have such a voltage when the oscillator is powered from a super low supply voltage.

[Farmhand]

Anything is possible lamare, which is the original idea, is that with the coils wound opposite ?

It's hard for me to comment when things get too technical. But I think this is definatly a good way to go some way or other, the magic is close I can sense it. I don't wanna miss out. I just did an experiment with a aluminium disc suspened about 8 inch's from the toroid terminal and grounded to form the capacitor as shown in the link above Page 10 figure 5 drawing 11, and it does something very cool. I will make a video later (no time now) to show what I did and how it affects things. I'm a terrible explainer. I'll try to explain what i think in the magnifier thread but i'll link the video here too because I think it is relevent. To all exciters and such, in a way.

Cheers
P.S. Maybe someone can tell me how it is doing what it is doing.

[lamare]

The issue of how many turns for the oscillator still not satisfies me. I now have a full wave between the tap for the PS and the tap to the collector of the transistor. But the transistor forms an inverting amplifier, so 180 degree phase shift from base to collector. Since the transistor activates the coil by drawing current and is steered by a very small base current, one would think you need 180 degree phase shift between the base tap and the collector tap, so my first design was right after all.

What do you guys think?

[Farmhand]

Also if you read down three paragraphs he talks about Magnifying the current. He uses the words magnifying or magnification several times in that paragraph. It is the primary current he is talking about which in turn magnify's the current in the Antenna. The magnification of curent is proportional to the ratio of the inductance to the resistance of the circuit.

Page 11 paragraph #2
Nikola Tesla on his work with ... - Google Books

Text
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32a91...1329&sc=photos

This is the patent he refers to in that paragraph.
NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

[Farmhand]

So, what is important is that if you want the magnifying effect without transmission of power over a distance, you don't need the capacitances, because you can use the output of the coils directly.

If you do want to transmit power trough the earth, water, or some kind of wave guide, you need "something to push against" which would be capacitative sphere, that will always radiate something, but that should be avoided as much as possible.


So, sorry for the confusion, it was already late in the evening when I wrote that.

Hi lamare, no probs, it is true there are two ways to use a Tesla coil.

The end capacitances can still be normal caps like in Don Smiths setup he says that a cap accross one side of the secondary is optional, it would need to be very HV rated and quite small capacitance, this would be a frequency control allowing resonance to be acheived at a much lower frequency and the primary should also have capacitance so that it's sine wave peaks at the same frequency.

I think there should be a sine wave on the secondary the unconnected scope probe held or hung near it should see it.

With a function generator I was able to easily and accurately determine the correct capacitance to use with my primary coil to make its frequency the same as the secondary, the same applies to the secondary it resonant frequency can be changed by adding capacitance.

The thing I found is that if the resonant frequency of the secondary is a lot higher than the primary then far too much capacitance is needed on the primary coil to make its resonant frequency equal to or very nearly the same as the secondary, so in that case the secondary frequency can be reduced by adding capacitance to it in the form of a normal non polarised HV capacitor.

Please take a look at the link below on page 10 figure 5 drawing 10 and 11.
Nikola Tesla on his work with ... - Google Books

Tesla did try that, drawing 10 shows metal balls similar to a spark gap and drawing 11 shows a capacitor connected between the ends of the secondary as well as an antenna.

It can work and I will be trying it too when I can. The other side of the capacitor needs to be connected to the other end of the coil or the ground a Toroid or sphere does that. But I agree for making gains from a device joining two coils together is the way to go, for sure.

I think the load should go between the ends and the center or two identical loads like i think you mentioned earlier somewhere. Or rectified.



P.S However Tesla apparently found that it was much better to reduce the resonant frequency by increasing the secondary inductance, then he could reduce the terminal capacitance to minimal thereby reducing the radiations as much as practical.

[dR-Green]

@dR - neat find...looks like something you might use in flooring. Inset with a coil in the floor, hmm, bedroom slippers that light up a pathway around the house at night ? lol. The ideas jump forward with that sort of thing eh.

lmao! That would be awesome. Dragons' Den here we come! My sister also has USB heated slippers Wireless heated slippers sounds even better

[Slider2732]

@lamare - Lidmotor uses the Hartley in this vid: ‪Hartley - Slayer Exciter.ASF‬‏ - YouTube
Slayers' implementation can be seen here: ‪Hartley Oscillator Replication‬‏ - YouTube
Lidmotors' circuit is here: ‪Cement battery running a Hartley Oscillator Transmitter.ASF‬‏ - YouTube



@dR - neat find...looks like something you might use in flooring. Inset with a coil in the floor, hmm, bedroom slippers that light up a pathway around the house at night ? lol. The ideas jump forward with that sort of thing eh.

[dR-Green]

Ah ha! Phase one of operation pancake is complete: Source suitable materials.

Bendy MDF, otherwise known as Neatform...



This will do for winding the coil on It comes in 1220 x 607 x 6mm so I will cut it into narrow strips at 90 degree angles to the existing grooves thus saving the need to spend hours measuring and cutting grooves in strips of pine as per the original idea. The grooves are approx 2mm wide with 4mm between them, but they should be easily widened with a file to fit thicker wire if required.

[lamare]

Some progress...

Just tested my coil.

I was able to charge a 75 uF flasher cap up to about 100V, over a 1n4148 diode bridge, so I could flash a 12V bulb every second or so, and I could spin a small motor every few seconds, too.

When I connected a 1k resistor, it would delever about 10 mA at about 7V out of the flasher cap, the latter measured from the scope. With a 10 k resistor, it would go up to about 50V, while delivering 5 mA. Power consumption for that one was at about 80 mA at about 10.5 V.

So, at least the cap charges and I get some current, but not the results I hoped for.

However, the radio still was distorted, so it is clear there is radiation, so I may have to add decoupling caps and choke coils here and there, use short leads, etc. You know, the regular HF PITA.

And I was using the slayer exciter oscillator, with the protection diodes and thus a strong feedback.

Conclusion: some progress, but still lots of problems to solve.

Update:

Was just reading up a bit on Hartley oscillators, and it looks like a so-called shunt-fed Hartley oscillator is more energy efficient, because no DC flows trough the coil:

Hartley Oscillator Tutorial

In the Shunt-fed Hartley Oscillator both the AC and DC components of the Collector current have separate paths around the circuit. Since the DC component is blocked by the capacitor, C2 no DC flows through the inductive coil, L and less power is wasted in the tuned circuit. The Radio Frequency Coil (RFC), L2 is an RF choke which has a high reactance at the frequency of oscillations so that most of the RF current is applied to the LC tuning tank circuit via capacitor, C2 as the DC component passes through L2 to the power supply. A resistor could be used in place of the RFC coil, L2 but the efficiency would be less.

This one I planned to use, which is very similar to the Slayer exciter circuit is this one:

Transistor Tutorial, Part 7: Oscillators

Figure 6 illustrates the Hartley Oscillator, which is a variation of the tuned-collector oscillator that was shown in Fig. 5. This oscillator is recognizable by the tapped coil in its tuned resonant circuit. Oscillation of the Hartley oscillator circuit depends on phase-splitting autotransformer action of the tapped coil in the tuned resonant circuit.

The tap is located on load inductor L1 about 20% of the way down from its top so that about 1/5 of the turns are above the tap and 4/5 are below. The positive power supply is connected to the tap to obtain the necessary autotransformer action.

The signal voltage across the top of L1 is 180° out-of-phase with he signal voltage across its lower end, which is connected to the collector of Q1. The signal from the top of the coil is coupled to the base (input) of Q1 through isolating capacitor C2. The oscillator will oscillate at a center frequency determined by its LC product.

In this design, the bias transistor current (determined by R1) also flows from the PS trough the lower part of L1.

The Slayer exciter appears to have the same problem:

Update: Also saw these post:

Please try and power a Hartley oscillator with it, they run at power levels of micro amps. Great work in working out practical ways to utilise this strange effect.

In the video I do not have a ferrite rod in that coil with the two LEDs attached. I am using the ferrite core on the small soda straw coil instead as a tuning point. In the video the rod isn't even in that coil. The variable capacitor is doing the tuning instead. I found out that you can configure this circuit in several ways and it will still work. The trick will be to find the best way. Actually it is hard to beat the basic Slayer Exciter circuit. It is so simple and effective. The lure of this particular Hartley oscillator was that it will run on micro amps.

Does anyone have a schematic of that one? Micro-amps would not be bad

[dR-Green]

I'm watching this one at the moment: ‪Eric Dollard Peter Lindemann Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity‬‏ - YouTube
The coils are pancakes, no upright secondary and very interesting !
Reminds me of the famous pic of Tesla sat on a chair, at Colorado Springs I believe,, with the huge spiral coil mounted on the wall behind him (I was months til I realised what that was).

I've been wondering about that more and more since watching your/Johnny/Lidmotor's exciter videos the last couple of days, putting the primary near the top of the secondary for best results. I guess my next coil will be a pancake Watching that video again now too, thanks for bringing it up

[dragon]

Ok, so we are basically on the same page. I also believe the energy created in a singular coil system can be captured and used directly. I've also done this without the sphere's and used a ground only to power the loads. But, the actual capacitance of the missing sphere is replaced by the batteries driving the system. The end result in my small test set up was there was good ground current and a lot of wasted energy being emitted around the batteries. Still lighting FL's very nicely around them and the circuit. My conclusion was that there needs to be a larger capacitance than the batteries as a storage in order to intensify the ground currents and thus remove the waste and make the circuit more efficient.

[lamare]

I think I agree with you aside from one possibility I see: Laser action, if you can design an efficient reciever/collector that could withstand a beam hitting it (maybe an enormous photomultiplier array?), and use a beam mode and wavelength that isn't easily attenuated. And in that case you'd go for the explosive bursts of option 1. And didn't Tesla later in his life announce that he had designed a beam device that produced a beam which grew smaller?

And an other thing I was thinking about: Do you agree that the special coil with the split secondary wound oppositely, which was the ONLY one Tesla ever talked about (that I can find reference to), during one of his lectures,... do you think that is the basis for coil type 1?
If the magnetic fields oppose each other, and there is no phase delay between the opposite sides, (in one type Eric seems to indicate there should be an odd phasing between the sides, because he shows a push-pull type setup for driving the primaries in one of his papers, but labels them as phases), and if the secondaries were connected in a certain way to the primaries, you could literally discharge the capacitor into free air with hardly any current actually discharging back to the other side of the capacitor , and it would happen WITHOUT oscillation due to the opposing magnetic fields.(does that make sense?)
I think with coil type 2 (Magnifier) the main difference is that each section of the coil is wound in opposite directions to the next, but each side is NOT a mirror- both sides of the secondary are wound the same, and both sides of the extra coils are the same, but opposite of the secondaries.

What do you think?

You may be right that there are posiblities to transmit power trough the air, but you would somehow need to create a beam or something between transmitter/receiver, which I don't see happening with spheres used as antenna. Of course, there is one exception, invented by Tesla, which is to lift the spheres up into the higher atmosphere...

Did post some stuff on bifilar wound coils before:

Naudin references some very interesting papers on the advantages of bifilar wound coils in terms of voltage gain:

Already this one is intriguing, it suggests that even with DC bifilar wound coils offer an advantage:
Bifilar Electromagnet

He also refers to some very interesting papers by Oliver Nichelson:
teslanichelson

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf

[this] is a technical note showing that the equation for voltage gain will have to be modified for a special coil that may be related to Tesla's fuelless energy generator design. A regular coil and one of Tesla's design are measured and compared. Measurements show that the Tesla design is over 900% better in voltage gain than predicted by calculation.

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/Thermodynamics2.pdf

[this] was prepared for the 28th (1993) IECEC conference. It takes up Tesla's argument for a fuelless electric power generator that does not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Though the device appears to supply power without fuel, it is not a perpetual motion machine. Tesla's explanation and a modern analysis is given of the device's operation. This paper presents a more satisfactory theory about the engineering aspects of the new generator than the 1991 IECEC paper.

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/Fuelless.pdf

[this] was prepared for the 26th Intersociety Energy Conversion Engineering Conference in August 1991. The paper documents that Nikola Tesla claimed to have built an electrical power generator that would not consume fuel, where in his writings the description of such a device is found, the theory of how a fuelless generator could be possible, and a suggestion as to how Tesla's new device might have operated. The paper moves from historical fact, the claims for such a generator in a letter hand written by Tesla, to speculation about the operating principles of the inventions. At the time of writing the paper, the historical material was certain, but the engineering explanation of how the new type of generator worked was speculation.

Update 2:
Tesla explains the difference between ordinary wound coils and bifilar wound ones in one of his patents:
www.Magnetricity.com ...

In this Patent, Nikola Tesla tells us that ...

• A standard solenoidal-wound coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of 0.1 volt between turns.

• A BIFILAR-wound coil of the same number of turns will have a potential of 50 volts between turns.

In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the BIFILAR Coil will be ...

50 squared / .1 squared = 2500 / .01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil

In Tesla's own words:

I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well-known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured. In the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spires is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small.

In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil considering - the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.

The principle is that there is a certain parasite capacitance between coil windings, which stores a certain amount of energy. By winding the coil bifilar, you get substantial bigger voltage differences between adjacent windings and therefore more energy is being stored in these parasite/self capacitances. Since the energy stored in a capacitor equals 1/2 C V^2 ( Energy Stored on a Capacitor ), this is a significant difference in the amount of energy that is being stored in the coils self capacitance. And since in resonance, this energy is being flipped back and forth between the capacitance (voltage) and the inductance (current, magnetic component) you get significantly stronger oscillations in there.

Update 3: Oliver Nichelson's experiment suggest this only applies at the 1/2 lambda resonance frequency, cause if 19,1 MHz is the 3/4 lambda resonance frequency, we would get the 1/2 lambda at 19,1 * 2/3 = 12.73 MHz, which appears to match:

teslanichelson

Full scale image: http://sites.google.com/site/teslanichelson/Helix.jpg


Update 4:

And this gives an interesting link to Meyer's later coils, which were.... bifilar wound:

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Update 6:

What is interesting is to compare Tesla's bifilar wound coil from his patent with the top/bottom coils in the Kapagen device. As you can see, Tesla connected them in series, in order to get the voltage difference, while in the Kapagen device they are wound CW/CCW. So, with Tesla's coil, the voltage difference between adjacent windings is distributed across the coil, while with the Kapagen device, this increases from top (connected part) to bottom. Given that with the Kapagen device, we have different length short coils at the top and the bottom, this suggests that you probably may use this principle also at higher harmonics with the Kapagen way of winding and still get this voltage gain effect. You see, with Tesla's way of winding, you only get the situation that the magnetic field caused by the currents trough each half of the coil cancel each other out at the half wave resonance frequeny (over the whole coil), while with Kapagen's, they seem to always(?) cancel one another out, or at least at more than one higher harmonic.

So, it seems that with Kapagen's way of winding, you can create a pure (longitudinal, "pressure-like") electric oscillation across the coil windings, without creating a magnetic field....

As far as I remember, Tesla did not wind his coils oppositely (in the case of the pancake coil), but bifilar, where he put the two strains in series.

[lamare]

Hi Lamare, I must respectfully disagree, the toroid or sphere antenna is necessary to transmit power Tesla's way, the toroid or sphere is the terminal capacitance, it is totally necessary, if it is proportioned correctly for the voltage used with the correct curvature for that voltage and the frequency is low enough the radiation is minimal.

Most of us already worked out a fair while ago that radiation or Hertz wave's was not the way the energy was transmitted, it is transmitted through the ground, 7imix and I discussed it months ago at heretical builders.

What you won't be able to do very well is transmitt power with a tesla system from transmitter to receiver without a terminal capacitance, that won't work very well.

I strongly suggest you read the patent several time's like I have, I linked the patent at the start of my thread. Once you read the patent it will become immediately obvious that minimal energy is meant to escape. Which is also the purpose for the hood/tube conductor which covers the end of the extra coil and go's to the top, it is there to catch any energy escaping from the end of the coil and direct it to the terminal where it stays and does not radiate much. But some energy does still radiate because it is unavoidable, and even Tesla did not say he could eliminate the Hertz wave's entirely, only reduce them to 5% or something.

The curvature of the sphere or toroid is what prevents the energy from escaping the terminal. Same principal as a Van De-Graff Machine.

I thought this was obvious and people if interested would read the patent where all that is spelled out.

Looks like I should have said this a little-bit differently. What I meant to say is that you can't transmit power trough the air using spheres as antenna, unless maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe you somehow manage to create some kind of standing wave/beam in between transmitter/receiver spheres, or if you put them up in the upper atmosphere using balloons and use the upper atmosphere as a wave guide, as Tesla was also planning to do.

However, transmitting power trough the ground (as a waveguide) is entirely possible, I totally agree, and that is also what Tesla said and that is what I meant to explain with option 2, but that came out a bit confusing too, I guess:

In option 2 you do everything you can to prevent spraying the collected energy into space in order to keep it in your system, so you can use it to power a load. That means: no sphere at the top, unless you really want to put the planet into resonance, but I really doubt anyone here has the funds to be able to construct such a toy in the required size. In this case, you'd want to force a current antinode (hot spot) at the top, and since you want to use that current, you'd want to construct both a "transmitter" and a "reciever" as one apparatus, such that you have two terminals with current antinodes (hot spots) that are in phase. And since they are current antinodes, you would have voltage nodes (cold spots) and therefore (relatively) low voltages.

You said:

The toroid or sphere antenna is necessary to transmit power Tesla's way, the toroid or sphere is the terminal capacitance, it is totally necessary, if it is proportioned correctly for the voltage used with the correct curvature for that voltage and the frequency is low enough the radiation is minimal.

Most of us already worked out a fair while ago that radiation or Hertz wave's was not the way the energy was transmitted, it is transmitted through the ground, 7imix and I discussed it months ago at heretical builders.

I was thinking that if all the sphere really does is to form a terminal capacitance, you might just as well get rid of it and just ground that terminal to earth. Then you have the biggest capacitance you can dream of and you can use one-wire transmission. However, Meyl showed a boat running wirelessly and of course he used the water as a conductor/wave guide, so then you obviously can't use the ground as your capacitance.

So, I took a bit of a shortcut here and already talked the transmitter and reciever into one apparatus, aimed at getting to the amplifying effect......


So, what is important is that if you want the magnifying effect without transmission of power over a distance, you don't need the capacitances, because you can use the output of the coils directly.

If you do want to transmit power trough the earth, water, or some kind of wave guide, you need "something to push against" which would be capacitative sphere, that will always radiate something, but that should be avoided as much as possible.


So, sorry for the confusion, it was already late in the evening when I wrote that.

[Farmhand]

Any attempts to try and transmit power over a distance using sphere's as antenna is doomed for failure, because these things radiate the energy in all directions and do not magically focus the energy, just because some sphere at some distance is tapping into the energy of the propagating wave.

So, IMHO the only chances for transmitting power over a distance are to either use some kind of wave guide, which may be the whole planet (one-wire transmission), or to design a some kind of focussed-beam-antenna, such that the sprayed energy is focussed/guided, for example as is being done with satellite dish antenna's.

Hi Lamare, I must respectfully disagree, the toroid or sphere antenna is necessary to transmit power Tesla's way, the toroid or sphere is the terminal capacitance, it is totally necessary, if it is proportioned correctly for the voltage used with the correct curvature for that voltage and the frequency is low enough the radiation is minimal.

Most of us already worked out a fair while ago that radiation or Hertz wave's was not the way the energy was transmitted, it is transmitted through the ground, 7imix and I discussed it months ago at heretical builders.

What you won't be able to do very well is transmitt power with a tesla system from transmitter to receiver without a terminal capacitance, that won't work very well.

I strongly suggest you read the patent several time's like I have, I linked the patent at the start of my thread. Once you read the patent it will become immediately obvious that minimal energy is meant to escape. Which is also the purpose for the hood/tube conductor which covers the end of the extra coil and go's to the top, it is there to catch any energy escaping from the end of the coil and direct it to the terminal where it stays and does not radiate much. But some energy does still radiate because it is unavoidable, and even Tesla did not say he could eliminate the Hertz wave's entirely, only reduce them to 5% or something.

The curvature of the sphere or toroid is what prevents the energy from escaping the terminal. Same principal as a Van De-Graff Machine.

I thought this was obvious and people if interested would read the patent where all that is spelled out.

What the yahoo group, myself, cody antigravitics and others are trying to do are transmitt energy from one place to another not make gains or enormous amounts of electricity.

Slider the idea is that ships and planes have a receiver onboard to receive the transmitted energy, and convert it back down to the desired voltage frequency for local use by wires to the device motor ect. not sure exactly how he intended that to work for a plane but a ship is fairly easy to see.

Here is the Magnifying Transmitter Patent, I suggest anyone interested should read the patent, and decide for themselves.
ELECTRICAL ENERGY - Google Patents

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