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Joulethief SEC exciter and variants
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Originally posted by Zooty View PostGood video but those scumbags never give credit where credit is due. I think tesla was mention once in passing comment.
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Originally posted by woopy View Post
By the Way Juju how about your your 50 cm coil any datas ? Because i intend to wound one , but as you said is it worth the big work? Thanks
good night
Laurent
has i have said my wire broke in the middle of the coil... so i desoldier and tryed the output at the middle (70ohm), the plasma is very weak, and the performance decrease...
the other middle of the winding (disconnected) can be affecting the winding im using...
wrench i tryed 1mm wire for the primary... to have 4 turns my resistance is 0.5ohm... but dont work as well as 0.5mm wire!
woopy if you can plase tell me the data of your windings and the voltage without the load at the end coil AVPLUG... mine is the same on small tower and big one!
hugsLast edited by juju; 06-14-2010, 10:04 PM.
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Slayer Exciter running pulse motor
@Jonny
I started working on the exciter again and I still can't get mine to do what you are doing. It must be my coils. I did get mine to run the little pulse motor that I built for the Nathan Stubblefield project. I also got some great effects using one of those "flicker flame" bulbs.
Here is a video of today's fun:
YouTube - Slayer Exciter driving new pulse motor.ASF
Lidmotor
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Full wireless towers
Perhaps the good Dr Stiffler still checks these thread, Im not sure, but here are some things I have been playing around with, Id be interested on his opinion.
I wasnt able to get a full wireless system going this well until I removed the top half of the "tophats" Im wondering if this decrease in capacitance on the top is what helps, or is it that its an open shape now?
Also, I needed to add a short aerial off the 22uH, where you would normally attach the LEDs or loads. The best results seem to be when the aerial (single piece of wire) is pointed directly upwards and in close proximity to the topload. Sometimes I need to touch the top of the aerial to kick start the light, and it will occasionally give you a little zap
Interestingly enough, this system is really picky about which battery powers it. It would seem to me that the bigger the battery is the less distance it can transmit. By far the best results for me came with the 12v 1.3aH battery, so that is something to consider guys when you are testing circuits out. The power source is as much a part of the oscillator/system as any other part...
My best distance is about 6 feet, as seen in the below photos, driving 20 superbright 10mm LEDs in series off the diode plug, although I think it might be assisted somewhat by surrounding but unconnected metallic structures within the wall. It comfortably does 3 feet without any metal nearby, and will run off that 1.3aH battery all night (with it reading 12.00v in the morning). I approximate 50-60ma draw based upon these figures.
All these effects are done with the SEC 15-3 circuit, the above mentioned modifications to Dr Stifflers original towers and CAREFUL adjustments of the tuning inductor. The long distance transmission (6 feet) is particularly tricky to tune to.
Also, there appears to be ideal distances at which the lights are brighter than others. The first distance is when the tower is about 1 foot away from the transmitter. After that there are different nodes(?) or areas where the light output will change, based upon the tuning. So the space between the towers is another variable as well.
Love to see anyone replicate it if they can. Sorry about the poor quality pics, I will have to upload a video soon.
RegardsLast edited by ren; 06-15-2010, 01:34 AM."Once you've come to the conclusion that what what you know already is all you need to know, then you have a degree in disinterest." - John Dobson
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@Farrah Day.Thanks Farrah.How are you getting along with your experiments? Jonny
@Zooty
Originally posted by Zooty View PostJust out of curiosity, does the round coil perform as well as the rectangular coil for lighting stuff when not using a receiver? I was also thinking about why your coil arrangement works one way round but not the other. It looks as if a larger mass coil will pick up the energy being transmitted by a smaller mass coil but i just can't see that being the case. Maybe the receiving coil has to have a minimum inductance equal to the transmitter coil. I also noticed that your receiving coil is also acting like a transmitter at the same time. Do you think that maybe there is a 2 way communication between the coils?
@Lidmotor.Hi Great vid and use of those great flicker flame bulbs.I just love them and now i see they can be used for more than detection,Nice.
Regarding output.I think you may be right and need bigger coils but wind them on plastic as plastic can store a charge and may play a part,who knows Jonny
@Ren.Hi Thanks for sharing your findings and i agree with you on the importance of the power supply and nodes at varying distances.Your tips and info will help people experimenting with Dr Stifflers sec so thanks for posting.Jonny.
@totoalas.Hi Here is the circuit i am using.You can use this to power any shaped Slayer L1 coil so experiment away.Jonny.
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Hi juju
the measures
big coil 65 mm diameter, height 15 cm, copperwire 0.3 mm , resistance 22 ohm
inductance 4,4 mh
pancake coil 6 turns plastic insulated plain copper 0.8 mm, resistance 0.2 ohm
inductance o.oo6 mh
with 11.5 volts entry the AVplug is at 155 volts
the circuit is Slayer basic with 2 MPSA 05 in parallel plus the totoalas MPSA05 between ground and base of the parallel. the cap is 471 microf and the resistor is 1 mega ohm.
What is bizarre is that when the circuit is not in resonance it consumes more current (about 230ma) than when it is in resonnance i mean when the hfl is lit
about at 120 ma. I can light a neon in my finger at about10 cm from the coil.
I will try to to increase the winding of the big coil up to the top of my plastic tubing (7,5 cm more height) so i can see the difference. Good idea to desoldier your coil.
hope this help
Laurent
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Sec - Let There Be Light
Thanks Johnny,
With Jujus idea of identical twin towers , check helpfulwaves.com,
here the frequency of the metal can be altered using speaker coil or ur pc speaker as well . Hope this help .....
I am trying to get some coils of two microwave ovens with the same brand....
and try to replicate your work
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totoalas
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Jonny & Lidmotor Great videos.
@ Jonny
With your fixed L2 coil could you try a variable capacitor across the L2 coil.
For tuning just to see if your L2 coil is tuned to the rectangle coil.
Try using the rectangle coil for the transmiter coil and the round coil as the receiver coil.
Then see if you can tune it with the capacitor.
Great work every one.
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I am amazed at Jonny's Slayer toroid hybrid SEC. I chucked this together at 3am not expecting it to work straight away without any tuning but it did and the results blew me away It's running on 10.5v (8 x 1.2v AA rechargeables). Current reading across a 1 ohm resistor shows about 90ma but i don't know how accurate that is. The MPSA06 is only slightly warm which is surprising. I will play with this tomorrow and see what she can do Definitely the best wireless distance i have had with a sec. Thanks for the circuit Jonny
Took the resistor out of the base
Lights a neon from a good distance
Just touched the positive end of my scope probe to the positive battery terminal and it's showing a perfect 15mhz sine wave at 880v peek to peek!Last edited by Zooty; 06-17-2010, 02:11 PM.
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Originally posted by jonnydavro View PostThe rectangular coil is acting as another transmitter like you say and it may be possible to have a row of these playing pass the energy parcel but i want to try Juju's idea next with the matched pair.There maybe two way comunication between the two coils,i think i remember Dr Stiffler showing how two coils "lock up" so there may be something like that going on.Cheers. Jonny
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Zooty replication
@Zooty
Thanks for the pictures and explanation on how you replicated Jonny's toroid hybrid Slayer Exciter. That really helped. The numbers look great. The amount of light that you are getting for that much power is impressive.
@ Jonny I was winding my toroid wrong (both windings the same direction) and I think that is why mine was not working right.
Lidmotor
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@wrench76.
Originally posted by wrench76 View PostHello everyone. I just wanted to share my results of a very simple sec.Like many of you I was tiered of letting the smoke out of those tiny transistors. So I tried what ever I had, I had very good results with both TIP31 and TIP3055. The best part is I have no resistors or caps in the circuit. With a heat sink on the TIP31 it runs @ about 85 deg.F. I have also tried a new L1 coil,its a pancake coil with 1/2 inch gaps between each wind,the inside diameter is about 4 inches, the wire is 14 gauge silver tinned copper(regular magnet wire works almost as good). Since I made the coil, and transistor change I now get a good amount of plasma off of the L2,I have never had any plasma with the small transistors.Sorry I dont have a camera at the moment but the circuit is simple,Batt + to end of L1, start of L1 to collector,emitter to Batt -,L2 to base.This is not like Jonnys sec, this one bites. It does all the normal light stuff very well,neons just light on the table,one cool thing is if I hold the neon near the L2 the plasma forms at the tip of the neon just like the L2 does when it is just running (about a 5 mm long purple point)
L1 14g silver tinned copper 1/2 in spacing (4 turns works good for me)
L2 30g magnet wire 3x13 inches
TIP31 or TIP3055 w/heat sink
12vdc around 400ma while playing with the plasma arc
Thanks
I tried a 3055 after reading your post and it worked great drawing around 240mA.I had tried a 3055 in the past with no luck, but that was with a small L1 coil but it works now so that should save me a few transistors .
I really like the mpsa06 and don't have much trouble with them under 200mA but go over and they can blow easily but i get really good plasma arcs with the Slayer exciter and mpsa06 and a 4148 diode from emitter to base but you are getting similar results with the 3055 so that is encouraging.
Happy experimenting and thanks for sharing.Jonny.
@totoalas
Originally posted by totoalas View PostWith Jujus idea of identical twin towers , check helpfulwaves.com,
here the frequency of the metal can be altered using speaker coil or ur pc speaker as well . Hope this help .....
I am trying to get some coils of two microwave ovens with the same brand....
and try to replicate your work
The microwave coils should be an interesting experiment and i would also try some homemade one's as they are easy to make,but the rectangular coils just take a bit more time to wind but worth the effort.Let us know how you get on.Jonny
@Slayer
Originally posted by slayer007 View PostJonny & Lidmotor Great videos.
With your fixed L2 coil could you try a variable capacitor across the L2 coil.
For tuning just to see if your L2 coil is tuned to the rectangle coil.
Try using the rectangle coil for the transmiter coil and the round coil as the receiver coil.
Then see if you can tune it with the capacitor.
Great work every one.
I really need to get an LC meter now as the round coil and rectangular coil can't be the same inductance and i am still getting great energy transfer but if they were perfectly matched,this should increase. Jonny
@Zooty.Nicely doneThere may be a performance increase by experimenting with the turns ratio as the torroid is acting as a transformer and torroid size/type, coil position,turn ratio and wire type are all variables that can be tweaked to maximise coupling.
I have asked MK1 who is a joulethief and torroid guru to have a look and he may have some suggestions.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to try this and your picture's look great and will help others. Jonny
@Juju.I will try this on the plasma setup and let you know .
Good luck with your Kapagen experiments and i am following that thread also and see you have already made your coil and it looks good Jonny.
@Lidmotor
Originally posted by Lidmotor View Post@ Jonny I was winding my toroid wrong (both windings the same direction) and I think that is why mine was not working right.
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Just reporting on the Microwave radiator
Output of L1 connected in series to HV wire of microwave radiator( from microwave oven)
Result
if pointed to L1 no output for the 8 w lamp
If pointed outside 2 cm from the unit will light up the 8 w lamp
there is arc on the end of the coil for the microwave radiator
Connection
2 MPSA06 in parallel with one MPSA06 b to e and C to B of the parallel ckt
Temperature 34 32 32 deg C for 4 hours
Output of L1 and Microwave brighter at 12 Volts dc adaptor
Current draw 90mA at 12 v dc transistor temp dropped to 29 deg C
Will test next
multiple radiator with one L1 as source
farthest distance it can produce light
UPDATE
Added 2 inches toroid 10T/50T 21 awg prallel to pancake 10T to slayer ckt @12 v 50T from C to In L1 Out L1 to microwave radiator cn light 20 W lamp current draw 90mA
With bodyground onthe radiator the system light switched off
CheersLast edited by totoalas; 06-21-2010, 10:46 AM.
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rSEC TOROID OUTPUT
hi to all
Jonny one question
howto increase voltage of secndary 35T toroid to L1 to increase range of rectangular coil
either install a cap and diode cross 10T or 35T???????
or another 10 T in toroid ith cap across collector and emitter????
thanks
totoalas
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