Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[jonnydavro]

Hi Kazm.Thanks for posting your experiment and shareing your results
I find the way you have set it up interesting with your bulbs placed between output and base.I will try it to.How do your led bulbs perform when hooked up to avramenko plugs like i show in the vid and the halo bulb on the output?If you set it up like this you will get strong wireless so it may proove an interesting experiment to compare the two.I see you also have a 1.5v charger.Arn't these neat little power sorces for running these circuits and thanks for posting my vid.Just after i made it i wrote my car off with a bit of help from a third party so it slipped my mind.Many thanks jonny.
@ All.Here are the still pics from the vid and also Xee2 from overunity did a real nice circuit drawing of my superjoule thief sec.I wonder if he could make one of your circuit slayer as there will be plenty who want to try it and he does such nice circuit diagrams.Regards jonny.
YouTube - Simple SEC step by step build

[jeanna]

no luck yet

Hi jonny,
I have tried 2 trigger tranx so far, and one is the yellow one as you described. (cosmicG too)
I am not getting any apparent oscillation as shown either through the volts meter with the .47ohm resistor or through the avr plug.
I have seen a momentary bunch of numbers on the meter on the first try but not on any subsequent ones.

What can I tell you that will help you help me?
anybody?

thank you,

jeanna

[jeanna]

got it

OK It is weak, but I got it!!!
yeay!

I had to touch the output pan before the base pan. If I touched the pans together I still had to have the output pan in my hand first.
Then I picked up the av plug and it was very weak, but it got brighter when I put my other hand around to the other side, then I could hold it with the one hand and it stayed bright.

I now can lean it against the base pan and it stays on. My camera is not showing it but the video is showing it.

Thank you.

jeanna

[slayer007]

I had to get one of them cell phone chargers after see some of Lidmotor and Jonnydavro's videos.
Here is a video of one running a SEC 15 lighting a cfl and charging 10 AA batteries.
This will also work just as good with Jonnydavro's or Chilliqueen's circuits.

Here is the video.
YouTube - Cell phone charger and SEC 15

[jonnydavro]

@Jeanna.Thats great that you have got it going.
The reason that the led stays bright when you have your hand in it is that you are in effect adding a virtual ground to the av plug and this shows how important it is to use virtual grounds when lighting led strings.Nice to have you onboardJeanna.Regards jonny.
@Slayer.Great vid. You seem to have a very good charging setup there as those batteries have increased in voltage greatly and all from a 1.5v battery..you have the same charger as me and have you noticed how the leds on it go bright or dim depending on the load put on it and by using the charger you may be able to light some cfl's like kazm has done.The circuit in it seems very useful and maybe worth reverse engineering Well done.Jonny.

[slayer007]

@Jeanna.Thats great that you have got it going.
The reason that the led stays bright when you have your hand in it is that you are in effect adding a virtual ground to the av plug and this shows how important it is to use virtual grounds when lighting led strings.Nice to have you onboardJeanna.Regards jonny.
@Slayer.Great vid. You seem to have a very good charging setup there as those batteries have increased in voltage greatly and all from a 1.5v battery..you have the same charger as me and have you noticed how the leds on it go bright or dim depending on the load put on it and by using the charger you may be able to light some cfl's like kazm has done.The circuit in it seems very useful and maybe worth reverse engineering Well done.Jonny.

Thanks Jonny.
Yes I also noticed the led getting stronger with load.
I was a little surprised it would run the SEC and light the cfl and charge all them batteries.
The charger holds just under 6v when it's running the SEC.

The circuit I have been using a combination of yours and Chilliqueens works just as good if not better on this low voltage.
I think it will even light the cfl a little brighter.

I let it run for 3 hours then I turned it off to go to bed.
It keep the cfl running and the voltage on the charge was up to 13.09v up from 7.20v.
It will even charge a lot faster with out the cfl.

It would be worth reverse engineering.I think it's a JT in there but I couldnt see a transistor.Have to look today in better light.

[slayer007]

Hi Kazm.Thanks for posting your experiment and shareing your results
I find the way you have set it up interesting with your bulbs placed between output and base.I will try it to.How do your led bulbs perform when hooked up to avramenko plugs like i show in the vid and the halo bulb on the output?If you set it up like this you will get strong wireless so it may proove an interesting experiment to compare the two.I see you also have a 1.5v charger.Arn't these neat little power sorces for running these circuits and thanks for posting my vid.Just after i made it i wrote my car off with a bit of help from a third party so it slipped my mind.Many thanks jonny.
@ All.Here are the still pics from the vid and also Xee2 from overunity did a real nice circuit drawing of my superjoule thief sec.I wonder if he could make one of your circuit slayer as there will be plenty who want to try it and he does such nice circuit diagrams.Regards jonny.
YouTube - Simple SEC step by step build

Here is the Chilliqueen Jonnydarvo circuit I have been using.

Removing the capacitor and adding a Dr Stiffler tower to PNP transistor base along with the 10kv trigger transformer.
It's Basically Jonnydarvro's circuit with two transistors and a 1M resistor to auto start.

The Stiffler tower can be replaced with just an antenna.It's also a good optional source of power out.

[Lidmotor]

Reverse engineering the cell phone charger

@Slayer & Jonny
There is probably a chip in that cell phone charger that is voltage booster. I scanned through an electronics catlogue last night looking for one but I don't really know what they are called. Maybe someone who is reading this can help us out. You guys are probably thinking what I am thinking about just incorporating that subcircuit in the exciter circuit. I don't think that we are going to be happy with the amp draw though. My experience with the cell phone charger, so far, is that it runs the AA down pretty fast when it is under load.
One of my solar cell phone chargers broke so I took it apart and the little circuit board had several components in it. The main "chip" was a tiny little thing and I don't know how you would even solder it up if you found one.
Maybe we could come up with our own custom joule thief circut that was specific to this task and didn't cost too much power.

@Jeanna
Welcome to the wacky world of "exciters". Once you get going with this you will probably have more fun with these than anything else. Once you understand (or kinda do???) what is going on then your brain goes crazy with all sorts of variations and applications. Imagine a wireless 'Jeanna's Light' that didn't have a battery in it ----that is where this leads to.

@kazm
What you did with the SEC towers is a must try. I took me awhile to understand how you wired them but now I do. Thanks for the great display.

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[sniky]

Where can I find some of those trigger transformers 4 or 10 Kv (can you give me a link ) because I couldn't find them locally

[slayer007]

Where can I find some of those trigger transformers 4 or 10 Kv (can you give me a link ) because I couldn't find them locally

You can find them at mouser electronics.
Here is a link to the 10KV.
For the 4kv just type it in the search 4kv trigger transformer.

422-2310 Xicon Audio & Signal Transformers

[pmonk]

4kv trigger coil

@slayer007
I have some of the 4kv and 10kv trigger coils from Mouser and I am unsure how they are wired. Can you tell me what pin goes where on your 2 transistor circuit and what size battery you are using.
thanks

[slayer007]

@slayer007
I have some of the 4kv and 10kv trigger coils from Mouser and I am unsure how they are wired. Can you tell me what pin goes where on your 2 transistor circuit and what size battery you are using.
thanks

If you have a meter you can find what pins are the primary or good eyes.
On mine the primary wires are red and the center tap is brown.

One pin from the primary goes to the positive of the battery and the other would go to the collector of the NPN transistor.
The center tap is the power out.

I use one or two AA batteries on my setup.

[kazm]

Hi all,

Found two interesting things yesterday when working with my JT circuit and SEC circuit on the same table:

1) The SEC circuit normally needs to be started by touching the two pans/towers with your hands. I had mine off and was working with my JT circuit (setup: unmodified led bulb, battery on, socket switch off). I was testing to see whether the battery would turn off when I turned off the socket switch (answer: no - the bulb goes out, but the circuit is still running and generating HV on the secondary). To check I touched a neon to one side of the secondary, and to my surprise my SEC circuit lit up! The JT and SEC circuits were not connected in any way, I found that the JT had to be within a foot of the SEC for this to happen. Also, it didn't happen when the socket (and bulb) were switched on, only when the battery & circuit were on with the socket & bulb switched off. Made a video of it here showing me starting the SEC, then disconnecting it, then starting it again by touching the JT secondary with a neon:

jt starts exciter
YouTube - JT starts an Exciter

2) When running the SEC with the halo CFL attached I'm only able to light a neon off of tower #1. Made a video of it showing me touching tower #1, tower #2 and the battery with a neon (only tower #1 lights it):

exciter
YouTube - exciter

However, when I add more mass to tower #1 by adding 2 pans on top of it, i'm able to light a neon off of both towers and off the battery as well. The cfl and local AV plugs with attached LEDs are the same brightness with or without the extra pans. Video:

exciter +mass
YouTube - exciter +mass

Can someone tell me in this setup which tower is the Transmitter and which is the Receiver?

I'm wondering if tower #1 is the receiver, and this is happenning because I'm essentially making a bigger antenna which is pulling more of the wireless energy from the air? Or are the pans providing more excited mass, causing more SEC to occur? Interesting stuff

@johnnydavro - hope the accident didn't leave you any worse for the wear, I'll be making more AV plugs tonight and will test out how the LED bulbs perform when hooked up to AV plugs as shown in your vid, with the halo bulb on the output.

@lidmotor - happy to share

Cheers,
kazm

[slayer007]

Hi all,

Found two interesting things yesterday when working with my JT circuit and SEC circuit on the same table:

1) The SEC circuit normally needs to be started by touching the two pans/towers with your hands. I had mine off and was working with my JT circuit (setup: unmodified led bulb, battery on, socket switch off). I was testing to see whether the battery would turn off when I turned off the socket switch (answer: no - the bulb goes out, but the circuit is still running and generating HV on the secondary). To check I touched a neon to one side of the secondary, and to my surprise my SEC circuit lit up! The JT and SEC circuits were not connected in any way, I found that the JT had to be within a foot of the SEC for this to happen. Also, it didn't happen when the socket (and bulb) were switched on, only when the battery & circuit were on with the socket & bulb switched off. Made a video of it here showing me starting the SEC, then disconnecting it, then starting it again by touching the JT secondary with a neon:

jt starts exciter
YouTube - JT starts an Exciter

2) When running the SEC with the halo CFL attached I'm only able to light a neon off of tower #1. Made a video of it showing me touching tower #1, tower #2 and the battery with a neon (only tower #1 lights it):

exciter
YouTube - exciter

However, when I add more mass to tower #1 by adding 2 pans on top of it, i'm able to light a neon off of both towers and off the battery as well. The cfl and local AV plugs with attached LEDs are the same brightness with or without the extra pans. Video:

exciter +mass
YouTube - exciter +mass

Can someone tell me in this setup which tower is the Transmitter and which is the Receiver?

I'm wondering if tower #1 is the receiver, and this is happenning because I'm essentially making a bigger antenna which is pulling more of the wireless energy from the air? Or are the pans providing more excited mass, causing more SEC to occur? Interesting stuff

@johnnydavro - hope the accident didn't leave you any worse for the wear, I'll be making more AV plugs tonight and will test out how the LED bulbs perform when hooked up to AV plugs as shown in your vid, with the halo bulb on the output.

@lidmotor - happy to share

Cheers,
kazm

Nice videos kazm.

The tower on your transistor collector is your transmiter tower.
The one tower on the transistor base is the reciever.

I noticed with my setup I have as much HV at the batteries as the towers.

If you have another tower wrap some wire around the cell charger and connect the tower to that.With AV plugs comming off that to charge more batteries.

Also if you have a JT use your cell charger to run that then have that run your setup.
You might want to put a capacitor inbetween the JT and exiter.

[slayer007]

kazm this is what I was talking about.
In this video I have a cell phone charger running a joule thief.
That JT is filling the big 4400uf capacitor thats also charging a 12v 7.5 ah battery and running a SEC 15.
There is a diode comming off the capacitor to charge the 12v battery.
There is also a tower connected to the cell phone charger case thats charging ten more AA batteries.

The setup will run for around eight hours while lighting the light and charge the batteries.
After that I can just replace the cell phone charger battery with one of the ten other batteries.

Here is the video.
YouTube - Cell Phone Charger plus JT and SEC 15.mov