Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[marxist]

ground (much) higher than AV plug

Hi all,

I have watched slayer007's interesting video
YouTube - 1.5v Exiter
with the current draw further diminishing at the end of the video, once he lights the many leds on an Avramenko plug.

I am experimenting with a totally different (kind of transformer) setup. Yet my setup shows this same effect as in slayer007's video. (And also excites the environment a little - much less than a proper SEC - yet detectable with a LED-probe on an AV-plug.)

Now I have found the following:
if I connect an AV-plug to my setup (as slayer007 does in his video) and if I use a neon instead of the LED(s) on it, the AV-plug sometimes may not have enough energy to light that neon. But when I ground one of the branches of the plug, then the neon will light as in the attached photo, where the black clip connected to the anode branch of the plug goes to ground.

In such cases the ground has the higher (Voltage-) potential so that the plug "is the minus".

Does anybody have encountered that same effect?

[xee2]

Hi all,
Now I have found the following:
if I connect an AV-plug to my setup (as slayer007 does in his video) and if I use a neon instead of the LED(s) on it, the AV-plug sometimes may not have enough energy to light that neon. But when I ground one of the branches of the plug, then the neon will light as in the attached photo, where the black clip connected to the anode branch of the plug goes to ground.

In such cases the ground has the higher (Voltage-) potential so that the plug "is the minus".

Does anybody have encountered that same effect?

Thanks for sharing your results. I suspect that the neon will light without the diodes (AV plug). If not, try putting short wires on the neon leads.

[kazm]

Now I have found the following:
if I connect an AV-plug to my setup (as slayer007 does in his video) and if I use a neon instead of the LED(s) on it, the AV-plug sometimes may not have enough energy to light that neon. But when I ground one of the branches of the plug, then the neon will light as in the attached photo, where the black clip connected to the anode branch of the plug goes to ground.

In such cases the ground has the higher (Voltage-) potential so that the plug "is the minus".

Does anybody have encountered that same effect?

hi marxist i've got a few different AV plugs - some with a regular LED, some with a 3w power LED and some with a Neon - and they all perform better with a virtual ground (croc clip to a pan) connected to the anode going into the bulb as shown in your image. i find this is a must when working wirelessly (particularly with the power LED) to get any reasonable distance. note that brightness can be increased by placing a trigger transformer between the anode and virtual ground. you may also want to try a bigger AV plug (4 diodes instead of 2), in my water tower experiments (link: YouTube - sec water towers lighting a neon wirelessly) i wasn't able to light the neon on it's own or with 2 diodes, but 4 diodes did the trick.

[area46241]

cracked it indeed!

thanks jonny for the advice on the simple sec...I had alot of fun with my oldest boy he went back to school and his teacher was impressed and i got a kick out of his interest ... he told me his head was ringing and i dismissed it the next morning mine was also and for two days i heard the sound of rushing water in one ear as load as niagra falls...then he told me thats what he experienced...anyone felt that from the SEC effect?

[Jules Tresor]

DC motor with SEC tech

Hi Jonnydavro,

I made some searching and found where the first experiments started with Dr Stiffler and DC motors on the SEC;

See his video here: YouTube - Spatial Energy Coherence #10

March 29, 2008 on overunity.com, reply 1440

Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

Circuit drawing here (post 1462):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?a...0;attach=20636

Good luck
David G.

[CosmicFarmer]

Yep. I tried a motor but did not hook it up like he showed. Plus mine was bigger one at .1 amp .......

I had the motor on a single set of AV diodes and had the 48 LED transmitting / receiving towers going. When I touched the motor's AV plug hot end to the circuit, the L2 of my 18 series board began to sing, and the lights got so bright I thought I would wreck my led board. The motor did not spin, but it obviously had an effect. I imagined that the extra inductance added something to help with the LEDs.

So to make sure, in his video he had one side of the first AV plug go to the motor, and the other end to a "choke" then to another AV plug, then diodes, and repeat, and loop back to the motor. He didnt say it looped back, that's what I imagine happened though, because the motor had 2 leads . Those extra AV plugs and chokes might be necessary to balance with the inductance of the motor to make it operate, while my setup was not enough, however interesting it acted.

[marxist]

only properly lights when grounded

Hi xee2,
I thought about your comment and needed quite some time to get it. Then I found you are right. Both electrodes of the neon light up, when i directly connect one leg of the neon to ground as in the attached picture. I was just too negligent to try that before.

However, the neon will only light when grounded, not when connected to the other end of the circuit. I find this strange and would like to better use the evident potential difference present between the circuit and ground.

Before I realized that you where right, I had already fabricated a video showing the effects I had described:
YouTube - 3 experiments with an Avramenko plug

Thanks kazm for the reminder about your great video. Please let me know when you find a way to light a filament bulb (even a tiny one) with the current that flows in the AV-plug's branches.
;-)

[slayer007]

Here is a Simplified Exiter Version using a 1k resistor and a 2N2222 transistor.
The coil acts as a trigger transformer like in JonnyDarvo's simple SEC.
It's running off a cell phone charger around 5.7 volts.

Here is the video.
YouTube - Simplified Exiter Version

[area46241]

Back emf Lidmotor slayer 2" toriod feb 09 video

Hi Lidmotor I just watched your video on slayer's circuit and would like to make one myself. is there a schematic posted that is clear somewhere?

[xee2]

@ marxist

Hi xee2,
However, the neon will only light when grounded, not when connected to the other end of the circuit. I find this strange and would like to better use the evident potential difference present between the circuit and ground.

Connecting directly to circuit may load the circuit too much. Try putting a small capacitor in series with the neon, then maybe it will work directly connected (no guarantees).

Nice video.

[DrStiffler]

Yep. I tried a motor but did not hook it up like he showed. Plus mine was bigger one at .1 amp .......

I had the motor on a single set of AV diodes and had the 48 LED transmitting / receiving towers going. When I touched the motor's AV plug hot end to the circuit, the L2 of my 18 series board began to sing, and the lights got so bright I thought I would wreck my led board. The motor did not spin, but it obviously had an effect. I imagined that the extra inductance added something to help with the LEDs.

So to make sure, in his video he had one side of the first AV plug go to the motor, and the other end to a "choke" then to another AV plug, then diodes, and repeat, and loop back to the motor. He didnt say it looped back, that's what I imagine happened though, because the motor had 2 leads . Those extra AV plugs and chokes might be necessary to balance with the inductance of the motor to make it operate, while my setup was not enough, however interesting it acted.

what I imagine happened though, because the motor had 2 leads

Imagination can often be a very inaccurate thing and a little less and a better understanding might be better.

BTW almost two years back we were driving Muffin fans up to 400mA from 15-3's, I never understand how advancement stagnates and then recycles over and over with no further advancement.

The circuit for those that may wish to see the one used in the referenced video is;

[Lidmotor]

Reinventing the wheel

Imagination can often be a very inaccurate thing and a little less and a better understanding might be better.

BTW almost two years back we were driving Muffin fans up to 400mA from 15-3's, I never understand how advancement stagnates and then recycles over and over with no further advancement.

The circuit for those that may wish to see the one used in the referenced video is;

There is a video series on Youtube called "Connections" by James Burke that deals with the history of how inventions connect to one another. Often one lies dormant until it is rediscovered or connected to another invention and then put to use. Different people and different circumstances direct the flow of technology.
Here was my muffin fan SEC 15-3 experimemt of (it seems) long ago.
YouTube - SEC 15--3 Performance Observation.

@area46241
I think that you can find all the information on that over at Slayer's "Big Joule Thief" thread. A bunch of us worked on that ---and still are.
Lidmotor

[area46241]

camera Joulethief circuit...

I hope this is not exclusively for the sec effect...I'm a little embarrassed at my inexperience and if I am in the wrong thread tell me...I just got carried away with all the neat circuits on the same day back around Christmas time...and thanks for all the advice from all of you...today I put the camera parts together to make the joulethief RLC with the five prong transformer and used all the parts as in the photo I snipped from somewhere.com. the photo had numbered 1-5 pins on the little green transformer anyway it worked and it used .0001-.001 amps with a 50k reostat and the big super brite red led from the shack. big deal I know you guys have been doing this for years but honestly I'm excited about anything that uses tiny power and this qualifies as the tiniest power useage (for me) ever. I'm used to 100 amps or three or ten you know like auto type amperages...(I'm trying to learn this because I promised the power company I would not be on their customer list anymore) Solar power is on my wish list along with an earthbattery and saltwater batteries but I do want to master this joulethief and I still want to know if anyone suffered any vertigo after doing SEC experiments because i did...

[marxist]

schematic for 'even simpler SEC'

Hi slayer007,
could you please post a schematic for the 'even simpler SEC' from your video
YouTube - Simplified Exiter Version

I tried to discern the connections from the video but am just not up to it.

and
- it should work from a 9V battery, no? (Don't have such a charger)
- are the two coils wound in same sense of direction?
- is the Alu-tray connected to anything?

Thanks

[slayer007]

Hi slayer007,
could you please post a schematic for the 'even simpler SEC' from your video
YouTube - Simplified Exiter Version

I tried to discern the connections from the video but am just not up to it.

and
- it should work from a 9V battery, no? (Don't have such a charger)
- are the two coils wound in same sense of direction?
- is the Alu-tray connected to anything?

Thanks

The transistor is a 2N2222.
L1 is 23ga. magnet wire around 300 turns wound counter clock wise 530u.
L2 is 18ga. coated wire 16 turns wound clock wise 4u.
Diodes are 1N418 diodes.

The Alu tray is connected to the base but it's not really needed for over 3 volts.
You can also collect the BEMF off the collector using a 1N418 diode with out killing the light.