Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[totoalas]

Jiffy Coil a la CD Wireless

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Hi To All
Jiffy / Slayer thanks again for the pancake design
@14 v dc 460 ma very strong plasma and 10 cm wireless transmission
29 awg 3mm thick on a cd case coiler 10 cm dia
1.5 mm stranded plastic insulated 12 cm outside dia ( on a cd) 6 turns
cannot touch the output of L1
TIP 42c NPN 1M transistor
I think we can still reduce the coil to a coin????????????
cheers
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1 aa cellphone charger L2 12 t 2.5 mm plastic insulated stranded 130 ma with 1 M resistor
With 689 ohms 250 ma with 8 w fl lamp load
totoalas

[xee2]

I posted these results previously, but I am re-posting for comparison with the pancake coil circuits. I have not made a pancake coil to compare the two directly. But, from my notes and posts that others have made, this design seems to have similar performance to the pancake coil and is easier to make. However, I found it was difficult to find a good turns ratio for the coil. Maybe it is easier to get the pancake coil design to work.

[totoalas]

Voltage Swapper

http://www.energeticforum.com/115329-post16.html
I'll try to make a drawing later tonight, I would like to try this as well with a simple exciter circuit, as simple as possible so I can get some results quickly as an indication. I really don't know if it would work. Maybe someone with an exciter could try a small experiment soon ?
Here's the vid- YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

I'll try to make time tommorow to demonstrate the function of the battery swapper on a couple of good batteries, I have a load dump set up but it's only two fans, if the sun is out they might get fried if they can't handle 18 volts.



Quote from Farmhand above

Hi to all



there is a request from this thrEAD if we can try his circuit on the Slayer

Any input is welcome

cheers
totoalas

[Farmhand]

Hi totoalas, If somebody could try a simple set up similar to this for a very quick test to see if an exciter will charge the cap. Any old slap up arrangement will do, maybe somebody has already done a plate charge test.
I forgot to draw it but a diode may be needed between the plate and cap. Or a bridge.


Thanks

[woopy]

simple apparatus to detect the right point on coil

Hi all

always working on all those coil and the Slayer Xter i tested a good and simple way to find where the coil is at it's best.

An electric testing screwdriver that you hold in your finger and you simply go up and down the coil and you see exactly where is the best working point. The neon light work also but much less precisely and the led on AV is very difficult to judge objectively and my scope probe is totaly unusefull as the trace completly crazy and out of range.

Just for info my conical Slayer coil (L1) can be easily excited by a a pancake coil underneath and give also great results. So perhaps that a conical coil has also the same advantage than the flat pancake . Just to think


my 2 cents for today

Laurent

[xee2]

Just for info my conical Slayer coil (L1) can be easily excited by a a pancake coil underneath and give also great results.

I bet it took a long time to wind that coil (looks hard to do). Thanks for posting your results.

[Jiffycoil]

Hi all

always working on all those coil and the Slayer Xter i tested a good and simple way to find where the coil is at it's best.

An electric testing screwdriver that you hold in your finger and you simply go up and down the coil and you see exactly where is the best working point. The neon light work also but much less precisely and the led on AV is very difficult to judge objectively and my scope probe is totaly unusefull as the trace completly crazy and out of range.

Just for info my conical Slayer coil (L1) can be easily excited by a a pancake coil underneath and give also great results. So perhaps that a conical coil has also the same advantage than the flat pancake . Just to think


my 2 cents for today

Laurent

@Beautiful work Woopy,
You have spent some time winding many coils lately. The information gathered form your experiments helps us all.

@Xee2
I need to wind a coil like the one you posted. It will be good to see how they work. Thanks for posting that.

[totoalas]

Puck Lights

Hi Jiffy
nice output from your puck lights
My replication of your puck coil
@ 14 volts tip 42c and ! k resistor 460 ma
the end of the pancake L1 had a half cm plasma along the wires touchng anything metal burned the loop coil at the end and a different smell of the plasma when i chaned to 1 meg resistor the output was tamed and no more blue output 140 ma

cheers
totoalas

[totoalas]

Hi totoalas, If somebody could try a simple set up similar to this for a very quick test to see if an exciter will charge the cap. Any old slap up arrangement will do, maybe somebody has already done a plate charge test.
I forgot to draw it but a diode may be needed between the plate and cap. Or a bridge.


Thanks

I just got hold of the 2uf cap and will try on the weekend with the slayer coils incuding the pancake

cheers

totoalas

[Farmhand]

Hi totoalas, I've been a little bit distracted, I should have mentioned that a larger cap would be ok it's just to test, I thought with a small cap if the effect is weak or strong or non exsitant it will be easy to tell.

Thank you.

[xee2]

L1 had a half cm plasma along the wires touchng anything metal

Smoking good performance. I hope you will post some pictures.

[xee2]

pancake coil vs. solenoid

@ Jiffycoil

You have probably already done this, but I compared the inductance of a pancake coil and a solenoid (both using the same length of wire) and it seems that the pancake coil produces about 50% more inductance than a solenoid. More inductance equals more voltage. I guess that is why they work so well.

equations at:

Wheeler Formulas for inductance

[Jiffycoil]

@Xee2
Thanks for the formulas and the comparison. I'll run these coil numbers.

Thanks again

[xee2]

@Xee2
Thanks for the formulas and the comparison. I'll run these coil numbers.

Thanks again

If you want to calculate inductance of pancake coil try this calculator (makes it easier).

Flat Spiral Coil Calculator

[totoalas]

Pancake Booster

Smoking good performance. I hope you will post some pictures.

Hi Xee2
I think the reason for the strong plasma output and a different smell from the air like ionization was I run the center end wire across the flat coils instead
of isolating it from the coils
I opened up my coils and black spots on the loose ends touch the flat coils



Using tip 42c and 1 k resistor 560 ma 14 v dc
Conclusion
Running the output wire of L1 somehow caused to increase the output energy
from the pancake coil

Ps (DO TRY this at home LOL

cheers

totoalas