Joulethief SEC exciter and variants

[NickZ]

Slider:
I watched your pill bottle video again today, and I was really impressed with what you did with that thing. It does all the good stuff that the bigger, even huge L3s do, and at a fraction of the size. Great stuff.
I always wondered why the Doc used the smaller L1 to L3 coils, instead of bigger ones. But his SEC devices had all the coils tuned exactly the same, so they may be a whole different critter.
Anyways, I'm still working on the heat issue, as my Exciter really works fine, other than that. After watching your video on the pill bottle tower, I decided to try our a wireless phone adapter that is similar to the one that you were using, and I found that it works pretty darn good. No heat, well just a very slight warming. So, I'm going with that for now. As most of the ac to dc adapters have produced over heating of the transistor, but not this last one. Thanks for the idea, and great video on the pill bottle tower.

sorveltaja: I like the wider coil idea, It reminds me of a short Kacher, which are very similar to what we're doing with the Exciter circuits.
The Russians are coming on strong. I'll have to pay more attention to their stuff. Woppy is also showing some great results, and Itsu also.
I wonder what happened to Inquorate, and Raui, and others that were so into all this, and of course I miss the Doc, also.

NickZ

[sorveltaja]

Slider, yes the very same 5V source. That same source (Bubblejet printer's transformer) has an option to use 24V/0,8A also, but I'm not too eager to blow the only pair of transistors, that I have at the moment.

My previous message was to show, among other things, that conical coil isn't required to test that crown coil. It works on both of them, conical and cylindrical. The way it works, seems to be different, when compared to an ordinary L2 coil, which works at the lower end of the tower.

[NickZ]

@ Slider and All:
Got my Exciter working on my cell phone Ac to Dc wall adapter, with no heat build up. It's not as bright as when using the 12 battery, but it can run all night long without heating the transistor. The adapter outputs 5v, and 350mAs.
Here's my latest video, just turn the volume up a bit, as this camara's volume is not the best.
Video:Exciter running on 5 volt Ac wall adapter - YouTube

[Slider2732]

@Nick - the toilet seat/halo fluorescent was very nice, good little video.
The audio was fine, but yeah a bit low. it could do with being 'normalised' in some editor or other (Audacity and similar). Alternativly, a popular enough thing to do is dub audio over the top of a vision only video.
I think it's fine though, its not like yer making a pop video

@sorveltaja - thanks for the clarification. I'm definitely going to try the crown coil.

[penno64]

Hi Nick,

May we have a copy of your circuit.

Sounds great to be able to run from 5v 350mA.

Penno

[NickZ]

Penno:
My circuit is the regular Slayer Exciter circuit, but it changes almost daily as I try different combinations of coils, and components. Just look on YouTube for the gbluer Exciter videos, and he shows his circuit in most of his videos, especially his later ones.
In any case, I use a 2n2222 transistor, 1meg resistor, and a 1n4148 diode. The resistor is on the base with the diode between the base and the emitter.
I may have to try a couple of other transistors like the bigger 2n3055, or TIP31, so that I can use 12v batteries, or higher voltages.

Slider: here is pill bottle size Kacher that works real well, especially considering its size.
KACER - YouTube!

[Slider2732]

@Nick - Burst out laughing within that video, for a very geeky reason. I was wondering about the transistor the guy was using and paused the video at 2:17 when it was seen. Changed from small box to full screen and read 7805 on my worktable 13" tiny screen monitor...the 7805 being just a Voltage Regulator with the same type of package !
Needless to say, I was perplexed, but chuckling, til the end of the video - when he showed on the diagram it was a KT805 !!!

[sorveltaja]

One thing, that I found out, when testing different crown coils, is that denser, or compressed one doesn't seem to work as well as sparser one.

Two coils compared:


Lower, rounder one gives more output, than the upper one. L1 coil, that I used for testings, is the spray can cap sized one, that I mentioned earlier.

Maybe the L2 should be even more round shaped, like a sine wave?
I'm quite sure, that it's the next thing for me to test.

What comes to the basic exciter circuit, does it produce a sine wave?
If it does, it would make sense to make a sine wave-shaped crown coil, whose form somehow interacts with L1's fundamental working frequency.

That is again another thing, that I can' explain better.

[TanTric]

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just to share my experiment, nothing special... i connected an avplug from earth and copper plate near the coil going to the battery and some interesting stuff happens, my bulb shine much more bright and we can see a HV pulse in the battery... enjoy!

keep marching brothers

Earth Ground Pulse - YouTube

[NickZ]

@ TanTri:
Thank you for showing us your set up. What can it do besides blink the small incandescent bulb? I don't mean to be critical, just curious.

Slider: The KT805AM is a Russian transistor, with an equivalent MJE 13007.
Tan Tric is using a MosFet.

[TanTric]

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hi nick you are welcome,

as you can see my consumption is 12.5V at 0.8A that equals 10Watts, my bulb is a 220V 15Watt Bulb.

The Pulse generator circuit consumes 5V at 0.02A(20mA) = 0.1Watt

Im using TIP31C NPN in the exiter, and my High Power Mosfet is a Toshiba K2611 900Volt.

The interesting thing about this experiment, is that when i connect an earth ground to an avplug going to the battery, you can see there is an increase in the bulb brightness, thats the point!!

@ TanTri:
Thank you for showing us your set up. What can it do besides blink the small incandescent bulb? I don't mean to be critical, just curious.

Slider: The KT805AM is a Russian transistor, with an equivalent MJE 13007.
Tan Tric is using a MosFet.

[jonnydavro]

Hi Juju.Great to see your still experimenting with the exciter circuits .
Your plasma vids are still some of my favourite's.The plasma love flame should be on sale!!.
Your current setup looks pretty interesting and when you start getting filament bulbs going then you are heading in the right direction.
Earth ground connections are a must I think as what you are doing is connecting to one plate of a giant capasitor.It might be an idea to try an antenna as well.
Ps I think the music was great.Happy experimenting.Jonny.
@sorveltaja Hi.That is a really interesting coil design for L2 and your exciters are amazing too .I will try it out.Thanks for sharing your experiments.Jonny.

[TanTric]

dear jonny, i really miss your comments, you were the first person to help me building my first sec with a disposable camera HV coil and aluminium cans, ahahah (at that time i didnt know anything about energy/ electronics)... im so grateful, and it is such a big honor to me to have your feedback, you are a very inspiring being!

now some explanations, the capacitor is not grounded... it is only taking energy from my pick up coil.... the only earth ground is connected to an avplug that outputs to the source battery... and you can notice an increase of performance with the AV plug connected in the circuit while the consumption maintains the same... my bulb shines much more bright, now we ask, where is this increase of energy comming from?

yes i will follow your sugestion and try a shinny metal insulated plate as antena, and will dig and build a high quality ground and high quality capacitor (because mine is from a microwave and haves a paralel 1MegOhm internal resistor, thats decreasing my energy output)... im studying tesla patents "method of capturing radiant energy" and learning a lot!

glad you liked the music, that makes me so happy because the first comment of the video on youtube was: "please cut the music out!"

i answered: "let the music play brother" jejeje

when will people be more constructive? LOL at least now i feel confortable to speak and explain the vids!

comments like yours and people like you is what makes me evolve and go forward, next step...replicating kapanadze device, just want to light a 60 or100Watt bulb full bright with 10Watts input... maybe then i will take some vacations!! ahahah wish me luck

thank you so much brother






JJ

Hi Juju.Great to see your still experimenting with the exciter circuits .
Your plasma vids are still some of my favourite's.The plasma love flame should be on sale!!.
Your current setup looks pretty interesting and when you start getting filament bulbs going then you are heading in the right direction.
Earth ground connections are a must I think as what you are doing is connecting to one plate of a giant capasitor.It might be an idea to try an antenna as well.
Ps I think the music was great.Happy experimenting.Jonny.
@sorveltaja Hi.That is a really interesting coil design for L2 and your exciters are amazing too .I will try it out.Thanks for sharing your experiments.Jonny.

[sorveltaja]

While bending copper wire for the next crown coil, I ended up with form like this:


Sun coil perhaps?

It seems to work as well as crown coil, maybe even better, having bit wider working area, along the L1.

But. Using either of those coils have a serious drawback. They need a gap between them and the L1. If they get too close to L1, an arc is produced, which consumes the output needlessly. Wonder why this isn't the problem, when using plain loop formed L2.

So I took a piece of cardboard, and rolled it around L1, just to make sure, that there is this required gap. Tried two different thickness:


Be it thicker or thinner cardboard, both block the major amount of L1's radiation, resulting rather weak output.

After all, I think, that there is a workaround for that problem. Just need to find it.

[sorveltaja]

After making numerous tests with crown- and sun coils, I must admit, that neither of them offer significant improvement over plain loop ones.

I simply got overly excited , when I found, that those forms also work with the circuit.

Anyways, from now on, please read my messages with precaution.
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Well, in the meantime, I have been experimenting, at first using one flat coil for L2, that I originally made for the conical coil. It didn't work with it, so I almost dumped it.

L1, that I use for testing, is the same spray can cap coil, as mentioned earlier.

One half of that L2:

Piece of thin (beer can) aluminum sheet, glued to cd-disk.

I ended up making an another one, similar to that previous:


So, L1, and pair of L2's formed a 'sandwich'. That pair of L2's are parallel with each other, when connected to the circuit.

Again, testing at 5V@200mA transformer. Plasma stream was there, also bright cfl. Nothing special.

Today, I bought a fresh 9V battery, just to see, does it make any difference to raise the voltage from 5V to 9V. It definitely did!

Cfl was as bright, as it usually is, but the plasma stream, it was way more 'violent', than I ever expected. I've seen similar things on Utube, where guys are using 20-30 Volts, to get similar results.

There is again one big if. That good, new 9V battery got very warm, during the testings, losing its capacity. Circuit's transistors were just lukewarm.

Conclusion: I have one really hungry circuit on my hands.

Next step? What I have available, is the 12V/2,5A PSU.