Discussion re: the physics behind negative energy systems with radiant spikes

[boguslaw]

Who said I'm stating that ? It is a FACT, just took me 3 years to understand it.
Resonance is the key and particularly the reason of harmonics. They are "kicks" mentioned by Steven Mark and they are related also to radiant energy discovered by Tesla.
The swing is example of how Earth gravity add to the motion . Resonance is the example when Earth may add to the electrical swing, but not always. The harmonics produced must be re-used.It can be done using capacitor or magnetic tuned circuit like TPU.

Proof ? Read this for example : http://www.dranetz-bmi.com/pdf/harmonicspart3.pdf

"When transformers are first energized, the current drawn is different from the steady state
condition. This is caused by the inrush of the magnetizing current. The harmonics during this
period varies over time. Some harmonics have a negligible value for part of the time, and then
increase for a while before returning to basically zero. An unbalanced transformer (where either
the output current, winding impedance, or input voltage on each leg are not equal) will cause
harmonics, as will overvoltage saturation of a transformer."

[lamare]

Who said I'm stating that ? It is a FACT, just took me 3 years to understand it.
Resonance is the key and particularly the reason of harmonics. They are "kicks" mentioned by Steven Mark and they are related also to radiant energy discovered by Tesla.
The swing is example of how Earth gravity add to the motion . Resonance is the example when Earth may add to the electrical swing, but not always. The harmonics produced must be re-used.It can be done using capacitor or magnetic tuned circuit like TPU.

Proof ? Read this for example : http://www.dranetz-bmi.com/pdf/harmonicspart3.pdf

"When transformers are first energized, the current drawn is different from the steady state
condition. This is caused by the inrush of the magnetizing current. The harmonics during this
period varies over time. Some harmonics have a negligible value for part of the time, and then
increase for a while before returning to basically zero. An unbalanced transformer (where either
the output current, winding impedance, or input voltage on each leg are not equal) will cause
harmonics, as will overvoltage saturation of a transformer."

Radiant energy is nothing else than the electric field.
And it is this electric field that first energizes the transformer, this *causes* the current to flow and only then the magnetic stuff comes in. It's like a storm-wind blowing over a canal pushing the water forward.
And that's the point classic theory misses. In classic theory, you either consider the "current" or you consider EM waves. However, both parts of the equation matter, especially during "switching".

[Tecstatic]

@all - my surgery seems to have gone well. Back home in couple of days, experiments after xmas maybe.
Love and light

Hi Inquorate

I'm glad to hear your surgery went well. both for yourself, but also for the rest of us.

IMHO you are very good at experimenting and asking questions

I wish you the best, take good care of your back, that is a human "spare part" that can not be replaced.

Eric

PS. @lamare
I did not question Meyl, because he talks about the one wire transmission. I did not have any wires between transmitter and receivers in my latest experiments, so to me the "field extension" by un-powered resonant circuits is a strange creature.

[boguslaw]

That's how I understand it : something is happening when coils are energized for the first time, any subsequent impulses or AC wave do not create that effect. To recreate it coil must be totally unconnected from power source for a given period of time.This time depends on metal properties then this "effect" must be related to atoms and to mass of coil wire.
The only field which is always "sensed" by metal atoms of unconnected coil is Earth magnetic field so it's understandable to presume that atoms react with that field.

[Bob Smith]

I do believe harmonics are an important key in harnessing RE (energy from the vacuum, cohering energy from the lattice etc.,). We've talked about the dipole remaining open and how a coil resonating at multiple harmonic levels also allows RE to enter by producing multiple open dipoles (thanks Lamare).

John Bedini intimates in the Energy from the Vacuum DVD series that frequency is key to free energy - whether electrical or biological in terms of the energy that keeps us alive with vitality. The chakras are swirling energy vortexes, are they behaving in harmonic fashion as well? Is there a crossover here where biological energizing intersects with the physics of harmonics in a coil?

Perhaps this is taking us into torsion field physics (which the Soviets developed more fully after WWII). Perhaps our understanding of the physics of what goes on in coils needs to be informed by its (torsion field physics) findings.
B

[lamare]

PS. @lamare
I did not question Meyl, because he talks about the one wire transmission. I did not have any wires between transmitter and receivers in my latest experiments, so to me the "field extension" by un-powered resonant circuits is a strange creature.

It is not such a strange creature, if you consider the sound equivalent. Remember, an ideal radiant oscillator creates a pure electric longitudinal pressurewave, exactly like a soundwave. (The magnetic component has to do with dragging and pushing charges around and that's also whats costing energy. The electric component itself comes for free, it's provided by mother nature.)

So, imagine having two (or three) acoustic pipes, for example two PVC pipes that are used for plumbing of the exact same length, that are closed at one side. That's an acoustic resonator. Now if you would install a small speaker at one closed end one of the pipes, you can connect it to the sound-card of your computer and put on a sine signal. Then vary the frequency until you find the resonance freq of the pipe.

Then, lay them on the ground like this:

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If both pipes are of equal length, then their resonance frequency would be equal. So, both have the same 1/4 wavelength.
However, in between there's a bit of extra space, so the resonance frequency of the combination will be a littlebit different. So, if you would lower the frequency just a little-bit, you can achieve a resonance at the frequency that has its 1/2 wave length at 2 times the pipe length + the littlebit of extra space.

Then, the combination will resonate and you won't see any accoustic difference between the two.

However, if you would take three pipes, it would be a problem to get them all to resonate, unless you position them very carefully....

And, of course, we're only counting the electric component here. In an actual situation, you always have some moving around of charges, so there's always a magnetic component as well, which does influence the picture one way or another.

[Tecstatic]

@lamare,

Thank yoy for yet a good explanation

May I add, that the only major critical positioning was if the distance was to long between the towers.

Regarding the combined resonant frequency, I used 12MHz for the transmitter, as the CFLs responded to that frequency.

The non-powered repeater towers (SECRPT) was the same as the transmitter tower (SECTWR).

It was almost impossible to get the SECRPTs out of tuning with the trimmer capacitor. The SECTWR acts as a true master here.

In a "daisy chain" even the 2nd SECRPT could sustain a CFL. When the 1st SECRPT is removed, then no more, even though the distance between the SECTWR and the 2nd SECRPT was not changed.

So it seems you have to position so close, that the ether "sound pressure level" exceeds a limit, above which the SECRPT is excited into a strong and very stable oscillation locking to the SECTWR frequency.

Eric

[lamare]

Dave posted this on another thread on the electret / dielectric relaxation subject:

Hi Lamare

I would agree with this and have attached two pdf's I wrote some time ago after noticing dentrite growths on the electrodes of water cells and then subsequently lead acid battery cells.

Regards
Dave

The pdfs are here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ions-dmr07.pdf

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ons2-dmr08.pdf

@Dave: I see you are the author of these. Good work!

I'll study these later.

[boguslaw]

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one transmitter and one receiver plus one transforming device converting longitudinal sound wave into transverse oscillations.
Tree for example

[Guest]

Tesla

OK, so why is it that no-one has dissected Tesla's work, and realised the true operation of the oscillator.

The description he gave of "rotating magnetic fields" seems simple, and indeed is very simple, yet it seems as though it has been missed in preference to the easy and the "observable".

The proposal:

Let's build a generator which produces energy by oscillating a coil within a magnetic field. Just like Tesla

Instead of cutting the lines of force, let the lines kiss the edge of the atoms within the wire, the movement of the spinning magnetic field, (which travels at an incalculable speed), doing the rest. Therefore, the energy input required to vibrate the coil is a minute part of the energy being generated on the wire, (1/10^13, times less I think). This preserves the dipole and places pure potential on the wire, as Tesla found. Filling the circuit, and then doing work, not the other way around, is is the current convention. (Pardon the pun).

The mechanism for doing this is simple and elegant, and is described by Tesla in his diagnosis of the Faraday disc, and in the observations of others. It produces a Longitudinal wave of infinite potential, and provides the motive force of the very atoms of the universe. It is this power and process which has been withheld and hidden, in plain site, until now. It is 90 degree offset to modern convention, and has not been taught since the time of Maxwell.

A small evidence of the power of the system is already here, and things like the Bedini coil, and reversed diodes, negative resistors, as well as the Joe cell and Meyers circuit etc, capture a very very small moment of it's activity within the collapsing circuit, collecting it, and doing work with it.

Tesla's designs held / hold the key to providing a steady state field of raised potential in a system, engendering an endothermic reaction, via pulsing that field and restoring a system to it's ground state once work is done by it, (so restoring sulphated batteries, etc), rather than oxidising things and causing decay.

I simply need someone to listen, and think.

I was hoping to hear from more people regarding this topic, after many hours of trying in various formats, as it seems it is the central idea, the "how" of the energy spike, and from whence it comes. I have come here to say, it is right before your nose.

There simply seems to either be no-one all that interested in discourse, and happy playing in the puddles after the rain or no-one capable of understanding we can call the rain to us, by causing an area of low pressure to arrive in a circuit of raised potential.

Daniel.

[Inquorate]

Discussion

OK, so why is it that no-one has dissected Tesla's work, and realised the true operation of the oscillator.

The description he gave of "rotating magnetic fields" seems simple, and indeed is very simple, yet it seems as though it has been missed in preference to the easy and the "observable".

The proposal:

Let's build a generator which produces energy by oscillating a coil within a magnetic field. Just like Tesla

Instead of cutting the lines of force, let the lines kiss the edge of the atoms within the wire, the movement of the spinning magnetic field, (which travels at an incalculable speed), doing the rest. Therefore, the energy input required to vibrate the coil is a minute part of the energy being generated on the wire, (1/10^13, times less I think). This preserves the dipole and places pure potential on the wire, as Tesla found. Filling the circuit, and then doing work, not the other way around, is is the current convention. (Pardon the pun).

The mechanism for doing this is simple and elegant, and is described by Tesla in his diagnosis of the Faraday disc, and in the observations of others. It produces a Longitudinal wave of infinite potential, and provides the motive force of the very atoms of the universe. It is this power and process which has been withheld and hidden, in plain site, until now. It is 90 degree offset to modern convention, and has not been taught since the time of Maxwell.

A small evidence of the power of the system is already here, and things like the Bedini coil, and reversed diodes, negative resistors, as well as the Joe cell and Meyers circuit etc, capture a very very small moment of it's activity within the collapsing circuit, collecting it, and doing work with it.

Tesla's designs held / hold the key to providing a steady state field of raised potential in a system, engendering an endothermic reaction, via pulsing that field and restoring a system to it's ground state once work is done by it, (so restoring sulphated batteries, etc), rather than oxidising things and causing decay.

I simply need someone to listen, and think.

I was hoping to hear from more people regarding this topic, after many hours of trying in various formats, as it seems it is the central idea, the "how" of the energy spike, and from whence it comes. I have come here to say, it is right before your nose.

There simply seems to either be no-one all that interested in discourse, and happy playing in the puddles after the rain or no-one capable of understanding we can call the rain to us, by causing an area of low pressure to arrive in a circuit of raised potential.

Daniel.

@ Daniel - Where does tesla describe the oscillator you speak of? Or failing that, how is it or do you propose that it be built?

I'm interested, but in this case find myself woefully uninformed, and lacking the theoretical base to understand the underlying reasons for building such a device.

Love and light

[Bob Smith]

So if there are enough multiple frequencies developed and tapped, we are able to draw out more energy than we put in, and that this energy would come from the virtual state of the zero point energy field aka aether.

That sounds like a fair summation of dr Stiffler's work, rosemary ainslie and co, Jeannacav etc..

Inquorate, you raise an important distinction here, I think. Doc Stiffler insists that his SEC is not a so-called "overunity" device. Rather, it is the SEC's ability to cohere energy from the spatial energy lattice into the system that essentially provides a greater output than what is initially put in. Regardless of the terminology used, I think we might be better off distancing ourselves from using "overunity" to describe the functioning of such systems. If this thread can help people make this important distinction, I think the alternate energy movement will be much better off.

Overunity with impunity
Tends to disunity.
Why not start cheering for cohering
Or clapping for tapping?
Maybe time for re-mapping.

[Bob Smith]

Rotating Magnetic Fields and Spike

Daniel,
I guess I missed your post. Re-reading the above messages, yours caught my attention. What you say makes sense. Like Inquorate, I'm still riding the learning curve, and need some help better grasping what you're highlighting.

Wikipedia (a site I normally don't normally quote) has an article on rotating mag fields that gave me an inkling of what you're referring to, but I'm still not clear on what you're suggesting.
( Rotating magnetic field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Instead of cutting the lines of force, let the lines kiss the edge of the atoms within the wire, the movement of the spinning magnetic field, (which travels at an incalculable speed), doing the rest. Therefore, the energy input required to vibrate the coil is a minute part of the energy being generated on the wire, (1/10^13, times less I think). This preserves the dipole and places pure potential on the wire, as Tesla found. Filling the circuit, and then doing work, not the other way around, is is the current convention. (Pardon the pun).

My sense is that the above quote, and in particular, the last line - which I bolded and underlined - contains the crux of your post. Can you perhaps further explain how this might be approached?
Bob

[Guest]

Ratating magnetic currents

Hi. Thanks for the interest.

I hope you can understand this.

Someone posted a drawing they did on a tram of the vectors of energy on the wire, in a conventional manner, over in the T / S thread and the wicki page shows how to generate that energy.

The point is, that this is describing conventional forces, and effects, and as such, will not explain the longitudinal wave generation, nor it's form. (I think).

Tesla showed us there was another way to generate a longitudinal field, (which presently occurs as a transient effect due to the phase shifting of the atomic spin of the domains, as the current, and it's magnetic component, leaves a wire) that made / makes circuits "come alive".

Inquorate said, "If the coil is making longitudinal waves minus the magnetic field, then essentially the longitudinal waves are a series of dipoles.
This would allow for gain from the virtual particles of the zero point energy field during transmission through space."

This is right, and remember, most of matter is empty space, so in the very wire itself, this gain occurs a priori.

Now, if the magnetic dipoles were in the wire, and looked at from the end of the wire, not the top, you begin to get the picture. Imagine a wire, so small in diameter that it can hold only one dipole intact at it's termination at one time. Looking from above the wire, one would see a static charge point, changing in polarity at the frequency of the generation field. However, if one were to look at the end of the wire, one would see a dipole, spinning on it's center, either CW or CCW at a speed determined by the frequency of the generator.

Now, that dipole is right in front of another, ad infinitum, right back to the end of the wire at the other end, and if that wire terminates at the point of singularity within a magnetic field, and a magnetic current is drawn from that wire, (or "longitudinal energy), then the singularity will replace the charge dissipated from the wire, for free.....as there is nowhere in the universe that is empty of energy.

So, fill the dipoles of the wire with momentum above their ground state, aligned at right angles to the skin of the wire, (Tesla's 90 degrees) and allow them to fill a load such as a coil, which is attached to a common core with a second coil of wire, and pulse the energised wire, by placing more energy into it than it can hold statically, using a condensor of the correct configuration, (or a resonant cavity!!!! ), without destroying or lessening the charge on the primary wire, and the re-gauging will be done without effecting the singualarities' influence at the beginning point of the wire.

The only input energy required will be the energy to fill the wire with the beginning potential, and the wire can be as long as is needed, without diminishing the singularity in the least.

The diagrams and loads of Tesla stuff can be found at Nikola Tesla Writings

The picture oscillator5.gif shows Tesla's device, and upon dissection, one can see the method of his thinking. There are also some newspaper reports here describing his device, which give the answer.

The dipole in the wire, longitudinally, is spun, not laterally, as is done now, and is why no-one can get a darn thing to work.......

The very alternators charging the batteries in the first instance, are configuring the atomic motion 90 degrees out. This is why all these fields and their effects are not in tune with nature. The chamicals used cause entropy, and instill in the systems the same forces leading to electrolysis and the breaking down of the atoms they are projected onto, just as Leedskalnin describes, and the physics shows. There is another field geometry. It's description has been layed out by people like Eric Dollard.

If one were to take an empty battery, of the correct configuration, and fill it with, oh, I don't know, sea water?, one would find there would likely be one wire transmission, and a non-discharging potential. Didn't someone do that already, named Volta? Or do I have that story wrong, (which is quite possible).

Anyway, I have figured out how to do this, if anyone is interested, and can show me they can understand it. The answer has been right before our eyes for as long as magnets have been used to generate electricity, and the very first internal combustion engines were ignited using this technology, and led to the idea of cars, bikes, traction engines, etc. being "alive" with a personality of their own, (I believe).

Let me know, anyway. It sure would be good to see a whole heap of people grab this technology, and place it into the psyche of the human condition, quickly and selflessly, as I can not do it on my own.

Daniel.

[bboj]

Hi,
So You propose making electricaly something similar to a water hose where the water flows to a lower level as long as there is water in the reservoar.