Discussion re: the physics behind negative energy systems with radiant spikes

[Bob Smith]

Daniel,
Thanks for the post. There's a lot to chew on, and I'll be reading it quite a few times. The quote from Inquorate and link to Tesla writings were helpful as well. You mentioned:

The answer has been right before our eyes for as long as magnets have been used to generate electricity, and the very first internal combustion engines were ignited using this technology, and led to the idea of cars, bikes, traction engines, etc. being "alive" with a personality of their own, (I believe).

I'm assuming you're referring to the use of magnetos in early automobiles here. The Henry Ford story comes to mind. For those unfamiliar, it seems that HF had John Worrell Keely design a flywheel which would enable his Model Ts to run without gas, with the insertion of cow bell magnets (into specially set slots on the flywheel). The story goes that this was Ford's insurance against big oil, which was allegedly trying to shut down his automobile business. See:
Model T Magnetic Modification
Perhaps this story, despite its many naysayers, has its merits.

Interesting that Joe of Joe-Cell fame has noted the role of magnetos in early army vehicles (jeeps, I think) in his discussions on splitting the positive in cars powered by joe cells.

Again, thanks for the post - most helpful.
B

[Guest]

magnetos

Hi Bob, yes that is exactly what I was refering to. If you look into the earliest design of magneto, on the net, (that I could find), you will see Andre Beaudeville's circular magneto. It is designed to operate without a condensor, using a raised potential on the engine itself as the coupling device.

Now, what do the pistons do if not provide a resonant cavity?

Also, Henry Ford's work I have not tried to look into, as I would think it has all been corrupted. However, I will try.

Joe X speaks of splitting the NEGATIVE, not the positive, to work his magic. This is the line of inquiry which led me to the revelation that power generated at 90 degrees to the magnetic flux lines is what Tesla was speaking about. this is also what Leedskalnin did, and Joe X etc...

Are you getting a picture in your mind of the idea yet?

Daniel.

[Guest]

water

Hi,
So You propose making electricaly something similar to a water hose where the water flows to a lower level as long as there is water in the reservoar.

Not quite. The energy of the outer surface of the hose, as it pushes against the background energy of the surrounding ground plane, as a complete system of pressurised potential.

Imagine the hose, and the buckets brim-full and sealed. The hoses are able to flex outwards, and we have a second, compressible medium in pipes, wrapping the full hoses, with which we can do work, like hydraulic energy.

Now, pulse the buckets, one after the other. Push on the sides, not enough to rupture the pipes, but enough to flex the hoses outwards with the pressure wave. Now, the pressure wave will self propogate along the hose, and if there is another pulse applied at the other end, before the first pulse gets to the second bucket, there will be a collision of the waves. These, instead of cancelling, due to the way they are timed, produce standing wave nodes of high pressure, which self sustain within the hose, providing an area of raised potential, without any further input of energy than it takes to send the small innitiating pulse. This pulse now travels, not to the end of the hose, and into the second bucket, but to the leading edge of the first wave encountered after the first bucket, right at the beginning of the hose.

Continuing this pulse then causes a wave motion to travel along the outer surface of the pipe, as it adds to the top of the self sustaining nodes, and so is passed on by them, in a forwards motion, at the speed of the oscillating medium, (water, electricity, sound, whatever), allowing the second pipe, (which is of the same length as the first, so as to absorb only those riding pulses, and no more), to be compressed and thus transferring that energy wave into the fluid within the second pipe, AS WELL AS THE RAISED POTENTIAL OF THE STANDING WAVES, enabling it to do work, without altering the height of the standing wave nodes or reducing the pressure of the wave motion's travel within the first pipe. This wave, and only this wave, is absorbed by the second pipe, after it has been Environmentally Amplified by the medium of the first pipes' standing wave nodes, which have far more potential than the pulse itself.

The form of this initial wave, must therefore be complete, or it will be absorbed by the material of the transfer medium, (the opposite of a dead short) or will only cause an echo to appear on the second medium's magnetic domains, which is what is occuring in the Bedini circuit's coil.

The description above is to try to describe the mechanisms contained in the correctly configured electrical generator. Describing that without the right energy in the first instance, no devices will obtain the free re-gauging described in Beardon's math

It is perhaps this which Bedini has been trying to get everyone to see by working with one side, in the hopes that by doing so, it will occur to everyone naturally in turn. I am not sure. I do feel though that this is counter-productive, and we are here to learn from each other. The binding field is not one which can be owned, nor adequately described with modern physics, but it is one which we need, right now, and has thus far been denied to us by the powers that be, since the time Tesla first figured out how to tap into the energy which is at 90 degrees to the flux lines of a magnetic field, and sustains a permanent magnet.

Thanks, Daniel.

[boguslaw]

I'm not sure if I understood. Is this like squeezing internal hose (with compressible fluid) longitudinally by the transverse standing wave running on outer hose ?
Maybe,can you post a schematic ?

[Guest]

water

You almost have the idea. The expanding inner hose compresses the outer fluid.

Daniel.

[boguslaw]

How do you plan to make it electrically ? This description seems very close to TPU but Steven Mark (Inventor of TPU) said about "squeezing hose" which I believe is when you push water inside hose by sliding fingers along hose surface with pressure.

[Guest]

Device

The device I have in mind, or rather the process, has many variations, so there is not much point in describing mine.

The principle is the important component, and getting it across effectively.

So far, I think I have explained the mechanics OK, but will answer questions to help clarify if needed.

Thew water pipe example was simply to demonstrate, the outer pipe is of course the background energy component of the universe, the "dark matter field", which is already under tension, as Beardon descibes, among others.

So, in order to tap that vast bowl of high pressure, we must place a greater pressure gradient on the primary system, in order to tap the standing waves, and the peaks interaction with the introduced pulses.

This is a simple matter of correctly raising the energy level of the atoms within the material of the primary, not collapsing a part of an atom's charge, as is currently done in all circuits, giving a partial spin of the domain, and a resonant spike of the field. The energy must be generated and raised as a whole field, adding to the entire atom's potential, not just the negative or positive on it's own. Then, the entire system becomes the asymmetric unit, requiring it to be rebalanced by the charge of the Zero point, and not just a single dipole.

At this point, the system begins to resonate, as can be heard when a piano string is struck, etc. It is not dissipating energy to emit photons, as in an electric circuit currently, but rather, it emits energy to do the work the system was designed for, whatever that is, via resonance. So, to power a light globe, tune it for the incandescence of the material in the globe, and excite the atoms, not with entropy but with endothermy, and the globe will light as it returns to a ground state of neutral, without being altered by the interaction of the charges.

There is no heat, oxidation, or noise. This is a time reversed interaction of charges into our forward time reference field. There is therefore no need of an inert gas within the globe, as Tesla showed.

There are as many uses of this charge field as there are possibilities for invention. All systems of energy use in operation today, need only to have this field applied to them, in a tuned resonance manner, exciting the atoms above their ground state, and the system will do work as it drains back down to ground state.

In the process of the energies' interaction, the "normal" time forwards mass interaction fields will be progressively canceled out, so inertia and friction will not apply, and the same goes for gravity. These forces will lessen with the raising of the charge field on the atoms. If one is immersed in the field, time will also dilate.

This is now getting into dangerous ground, and I am not an authority, but it leads me to quote a book where someone said, "a day for me is like a thousand years to you".

The descriptions of this feild has been encoded into every holy book on the planet, and is waiting for some clever people to draw it out.

We have the tool, it is the energy inflow point within the field of a "solid" atom, and this can be piled up, and collected, in systems. It is now all around us, in use everyday, all around the planet, but we are led to beleive it holds nothing within it.

Ever wondered why modern physics can't explain how magnetism works, or what keeps the field intact in a permanent magnet? Or how gravity works? Is it simply because James Clerk Maxwell's equations were butchered, to suit an agenda? If so, what does that mean, can we discern the truth without the math?

Do we dare to follow in Tesla's footsteps, and make manifest here on earth the very wheelwork of the universe?

This is the potential, and the answer is simple, it lies in rotating the magnetic fields, as discovered by Tesla, who was drawing inspiration from the bible, which, along with most every holy book on the planet, was written to encode the method of generation of this field to enable man to interact directly with it.

If there is someone interested in helping me realise this, please let me know.

Daniel.

[boguslaw]

Someone already put that idea into work and constructed OU device (this thread New invention of motion less generation of electric power. He call it a passive zone and I think it's a good name. Yes,it is everywhere but we don't see it because it is so conventional in daily life.
If you push swing Earth gravity will apply equal and opposite force to make it back to ground state.Actually every oscillation and every resonant system has this passive zone at 1/4 of period of oscillation when energy in system "change direction". Atoms are also orientated in gravity field and magnetic field of Earth.

[Guest]

symptoms

Well, if the only example of the idea I am trying to convey is still 90 degrees out, I am doing something wrong.

Thanks for the feedback.

If you do a google search for superparamagnetic lens images, you will find examples of the active zone which modern science tells us is void of useful energy, as there is no known way to tap into it.

Or go here. http://www.nanomagnetics.us/Understa...0-2008-1.1.pdf

That is my point, the tapping into that null zone, using it to apply spin, which is already in the field, upon the domains in the wire. Producing energy at right angles to the present convention, with interesting properties and which provides, by it's method of generation due to the motion of the magnetic field, more energy out than it takes to make it.

Daniel

[Inquorate]

To check a theory

@ daniel64, I have to admit, while I see sense in some of what you say, I cannot see how 90 degrees = extra energy. There is no mechanism in what you describe, nor the analogies you have presented, for the amplification of power.

However, if you could devise an experiment that would verify wether the theory were correct, by showing power gain or the mechanism where it manifests, please do share.

Please know, I am not saying you are wrong. I respect that you have made a big effort to explain what you believe, and am grateful for that effort and for your earnestness.

I however cannot decipher what you are talking about, which may well be my own failing.

Love and light

[Guest]

"@ daniel64, I have to admit, while I see sense in some of what you say, I cannot see how 90 degrees = extra energy".

Well, for starters, you have to dissect the current practice of power generation. A wire is passed through a magnetic field, causing the magnetic domains to align, giving an area of potential difference at either end of the wire, correct?
The wire must continue to pass through the flux lines, and in so doing, the magnetic dipole is altered, giving electric energy along the wires length, at right angles to the applied field.
Where is the math which describes the magnetic flux line can only pass over the wire in it's entirety, at right angles to it's length in order for the domains to shift their relative position?

"There is no mechanism in what you describe, nor the analogies you have presented, for the amplification of power".

Firstly, it is the generation of power in the first instance I am eluding to, not amplification. Secondly, I know there is no exact description of any device. I thought this was a thread for the discussion of the physics, to enable the understanding of the underlying principles at work within the Bedini circuit, as I have described. It is well within my ability to describe the neccessary machine, however, then where would you be? Still full of questions I bet, about the "how", and not the "now what".

"However, if you could devise an experiment that would verify wether the theory were correct, by showing power gain or the mechanism where it manifests, please do share".

Sure. Take the Bedini coil, power the primary with a battery, and pulse the negative of it with a mechanical device, like a rotary switch such as a distributor off a car, driven off a drill and hook a neon globe to one end of the secondary. Leave the other end of the secondary un-hooked to anything. Hold one of the wires coming from the globe in your hand, have the other connected to the secondary and pulse the primary coil. (It will only work on one side of the coil, so swap ends if it doesn't work the first time). Make sure you have a core of something which allows the Bloch wall to collapse quickly. This will establish the power received into the secondary, even though there is no circuit in the conventional sense. The only possible explanation is the one described earlier with the partially rotated magnetic domains relaxing and imparting energy to the globe. Not sure, but you might have to put one side of the coil and the core within the influence of a large permanent magnet, to support the interaction, (can't find my one and only neon globe to check this). Check out trodanenterprises on youtube to see it in action. Now, i am not an E/E, but given that there is no circuit on the secondary, so no ground plane, there must also be no current flow from the primary to the secondary, right? The globe will stay lit if i jump into the air.

"Please know, I am not saying you are wrong. I respect that you have made a big effort to explain what you believe, and am grateful for that effort and for your earnestness".

Hmmm, if there is something that vexes you, then ask it. I think I have covered all the areas needed, it is time for you to think out of the box perhaps, and apply the idea, or ask for clarification.

"I however cannot decipher what you are talking about, which may well be my own failing".

Not sure there, I thought you were a fairly smart person, reading your other posts. Where have I confused you?

Daniel.

[Guest]

Actually, I don't know why I did that last post, as you are all aware of the radiant energy spike from a collapsing coil.

What you have not thought about, is how to obtain that energy in a circuit in the first instance, in a complete form, and then pulse it and that is what I have described, albeit poorly.

Joe X describes it as both fields, as does Leedskalnin, and Tesla called it magnetic energy or something. Eric Dollard calls it transverse magnetic current I think, and produces it from a 1920's Tesla coil. I have not the skill to determine the design of the cells he describes, and whether they will do what I describe, but I assume they will not without the energy in the right form in the first instance, to power the capacitors. Don't know.

But, let's get talking, and you will see the merits of the motion if you are willing to think. The wheelwork of nature is already in motion within the magnet, and with our coils slicing into the flux lines, we attempt to slow it down, and catch hold of it and experience resistance known as back EMF. This method of power generation is useless, wasteful and poluting, and was fought against with every fibre of Tesla's being.

However, in order to hide Tesla's work, and the obviousness of the simplicity of the "mistake" perpetuated since then, there was a need to isolate the very math from Maxwells equations which described it. This may be why you and others are having trouble seeing it. I have no "learning" to blinker me.

There is only no energy available at the Bloch wall null zone if a coil is rotated within it in the same manner as one cuts the flux lines on the outer plane of the field. There is no reason why movement at 90 degrees to that motion will not furnish power, and more of it for the relative motion, without BEMF, just as Tesla describes.

It must be done right, and tuned correctly, but it has the potential to furnish 10 ^ 13 times more energy out than is put in, directly from the vacuum, if Beardon is right.

Daniel.

[Inquorate]

Thankyou

@ daniel64 - thankyou for the further explanation, I believe I understand now.

Love and light

[Guest]

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[Inquorate]

And

Lol, I have no idea what to do with it... I usually wait for the subconscious to start showing me images.

So far all I have is a coil rotating on it's length horizontally in a magnetic field.

But I don't understand myself. These things take time