Interesting Occurance

[dmonarch]

Has anyone come accross the following phenomenon and if so what is your take on it.
There is a metal plate being fed by a hv arrangement. Its behaviour seems to vary. On one occasion when the plate is touched you dont feel an electric shock where you touch it but instead half way up the fingure. Also the electric shock does not feel normal it just sought of appears in the knuckle. no current
Another phenomenon is that the plate has increased friction on its surface. That is you place your fingure on the metal plate and then move it and it resists a little. Its like the metal plate is covered in dipoles.
You place a small piece of paper on the metal plate and initially it moves freely. However you give it a few little jiggles lthe piece of paper does not want to move as easily. Its not static electricity i dont think anyway.

Damian

[blackchisel97]

Hi Damian,
When I read first part of your description it did sound familiar. I remember on few occasions similar experience with high potential - my knees sort of bent and I felt jolt in every joint, not much the contact area. However, further part doesn't sound familiar to me. My first guess was - a static, high potential but now I'm not so sure. What kind of HV we're talking about?


Vtech

[dmonarch]

Kind of HV

Basically at the moment i can go from 1kv to i think15 or more kv. The circuit one half of tesla's wireless energy transmision. I had a pancake coil laying around from a previous experiment and though what the hey and hooked it up following tesla's guidelines.
The pancak coil is not matched. That is the primary is not a 1/4 of the secondary in length. I am going to get some supplies to build some new coils and a matched pair to try out transmission and receiption of energy. Last night i made the stupid mistake of hooking a meter up to the output so now i am down a meter. At the moment the only way i can tell if it is doing what it is supposed to is to make the reciever and transmitter and see if can recieve and also what kind of losses. I really need to keep a blood diary. I have come across a number of phenomenon which is interesting only to fiddle with something and not recall how to get back
Damian

[morpher44]

meter death -- & interesting occurances....

Basically at the moment i can go from 1kv to i think15 or more kv. The circuit one half of tesla's wireless energy transmision. I had a pancake coil laying around from a previous experiment and though what the hey and hooked it up following tesla's guidelines.
The pancak coil is not matched. That is the primary is not a 1/4 of the secondary in length. I am going to get some supplies to build some new coils and a matched pair to try out transmission and receiption of energy. Last night i made the stupid mistake of hooking a meter up to the output so now i am down a meter. At the moment the only way i can tell if it is doing what it is supposed to is to make the reciever and transmitter and see if can recieve and also what kind of losses. I really need to keep a blood diary. I have come across a number of phenomenon which is interesting only to fiddle with something and not recall how to get back
Damian

@dmonarch

Been there ... done that ... re: your meter.
But be sure to check your FUSE in the meter.
Most meters have a fuse that will burn out during
an electrical engineering Doh! moment.
It may just need a fuse.

Re: matching coils...

Tesla was so coil-centric in his thinking ... and very
mathematically OCD.
But .... it occurs to me, after thinking about
Eric Dollard's little TUG-OF-WAR rather than
WAVES-IN-A-CORD approach,
it may not be so necessary to MATH as you might think.

I find that it is true that if you bring HV
(and I admit I'm playing with hunders of volts not killovolts so
I may be a bit naive to the problem),
to a large physical capacitive structure ... be it a
aluminum cylinder or sphere or toroid or whatever,
that a rather large amount of excitation can be create
in the surrounding area WAY before you reach dielectric
breakdown in the air.

You can bring florecent tubes near by hand and light them
w/o wires. You can bring little neon bulbs and light them ...
actually from quite a considerable distance since these
are so sensitive.

This is wireless transmission of power w/o any sort of
special matching or tuning per se on the receiving side.
It is very inductive coupling in nature ... and drops
in power proportionately to the distance.
Add a single wire, though, and you can increase
that distance dramatically. The TUG-of-WAR up
and down that single wire has no issues
with distance like the air.

I was reading Tesla and see that he speculated that
when attempting wireless like that ... that local heating
is occurring ... and hence the power is lost due to heat.
The capacitor is trying to HEAT its surroundings ... the hard way
by sloshing a giant field back and forth all around it.

Connect the single wire and run it off some place else, and
the power gets focused to go back and forth to-from that wire
to the load ... leaving less energy on the surface of the capacitor.

The single wire connection out to the load brings all of that
to the entire circuit ... and so you have a single circuit really
and you TUNE the entire thing.

Another very cool idea would be to go wireless between
transmitter and load -- yes -- but to provide an ionized
PATH between them -- and to have shapes of capacitors
that focus -- line of site -- such as a cone (or tetrahedron)
to transmit going out a sharp POINT ... and a dish or
inverted pyramid to receive.

transmit> >receive

The ionizing path between them could possibly be created
with a low-cost -- laser beam.
The fields might be able to ride the beam ... like a wire.
I have not tried this ... just thinking ahead ... and sharing.

[Bob Smith]

Also the electric shock does not feel normal it just sought of appears in the knuckle. no current
Another phenomenon is that the plate has increased friction on its surface. That is you place your fingure on the metal plate and then move it and it resists a little. Its like the metal plate is covered in dipoles.

Damian, the curious resistance of your HV metal plate, connected to a Tesla pancake coil reminded me of a story I had read (and now cannot find) about someone who had been using a RE powered battery in his car which exhibited strange kinds of resistance in the environment around it when the car was running (I looked for the story for over an hour, but couldn't locate it). It might've been Ron Brandt, but I'm not sure - maybe someone else will have it handy.

There is some interesting info that might help shed some further light on your arrangement on page 38, as well as those pages leading up to it at:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf

Perhaps you should keep a sketch of your setup, as you might've stumbled onto something worth developing further.
All the best,
Bob

[dmonarch]

Thanks Bob

Thanks bob for the info. The electricity seems to change its nature depending upon the day..Midday the werid friction effect and ability io give shock in knuckle is shared between the two of them. At night one plate has trouble getting the effect while the other is more stronger.
I wanted to see if drops of distilled or tap water would affected by the electricity and nothing either just straight on the plates or covered with glad wrap plastic wrap. Also the water failed to alter the plates nature. That is the water wouldnt act as an electrolyte.
If you put one finger on a plate and rub it over it you will notice the weird field and friction. If how ever you put two fingers on the plate seperated the field will just dissapea. It obviously collapsed due to the alteration of the geometry.
Actually guess when you look at it like that if ithere were any health properties in the field then i should be touching the plate before the field starts up.
Damian

[Bob Smith]

Damian,
It would be interesting to see what kind of light the voltage coming off your pancake coil produces in an incandescent bulb - would it have the bright white character of cold electricity or more yellowish warm glow of your typical standard electric household lamp? Perhaps this might say something about the nature of the electric beast you're dealing with )
Bob

[dmonarch]

Other Findings

Well I have done some more fiddling with the setup. As mentioned yesterday that if you touch a plate with two seperated fingers the field collapses. I though of placing another insulated copper plate on top of what would normally be the up in the air and a ball. You can light a neon and as many as you want from the new plate on top and as well the phenomenon where you if you touch two places on the plate and the field collapses has gone. No matter how many neons you light they are stil the same brightness. So i figure why not lay another insulated copper plate on top of the previous. The same effect as the previous and no reduction in brightness. So i thought what the hey put another plate on top and yet again the same effect.
Very interesting I reckon
Damian