Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[rave154]

VORTEX,

so, if im understanding this correctly, we can choose one of two situations, either standard config, where we can tap off a useful current but have to suffer Lenz drag....or...as you show, where Lenz is re-directed but no useful current can be tapped off for useage. ?

p.s have you seen Thane C Heins "Bi-toroid transformer" which appears to circumvent the above situation and allows useful current to be tapped off while at the same time re-directing the secondary flux via a different route? could this concept be used in a motor/generator?

David. D

[gotoluc]

Supporting experimental evidence ..
YouTube - Inverse Transformer.wmv

Great video Vortex

I wish I could verbally describe my experiments as well and fast as you do!... I wouldn't need so many videos

Looking forward to more of your sharing and videos

Thanks for taking the time to do this excellent video.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

here are a couple more test videos using the coil I made for my mostly magnet motor. I hope the video is self explanatory enough.

You want to see test 2 to the end as I demonstrate the difference adding a magnet in the coil does compared to none. I also demonstrate opposing magnet fields are at both ends of the coil will help create resonance. If anyone is familiar with Richard Willis "Magnacoasters" YouTube - 6 output on cap bank and his device this is the basic effect.

Links to test 1 Video: YouTube - Magnet and Coil test 1

Links to test 2 Video: YouTube - Magnet and Coil test 2

Luc

[frenky]

Let me think where did I saw this setup before....
Oh right I posted my scheme a few pages back.


I'm off of this forum...

[rave154]

Fascinating tests as usual LUC, i love the way you change the conditions so youre always measuring apples against apples ( as much as possible ) as you did right at the end of test 2.

[rave154]

GOTO,

based upon your tests so far and sort of combining it with the diagram by FRENKY of his w.g.h measurement test.... would the following work ( see attatchment )..

since those NEOS's are heavy, and moving them physically up & down takes quite some "actual work"....instead....move the magnets field up and down inside a pickup coil..

the two NEOS are spaced and have a sufficient air gap that the south pole of the top magnet does not fully "LINK" up with the north pole of the bottom magnet since the air gap is too big ( would require some fiddling to determine the correct distance )...

then...when one winding of the bifilar is energised via a PWM...to produce a brief south pole on the top of the coil with a north pole on the bottom...this would be like instaneously putting another 3rd magnet inbetween the two NEOS...enabling a full flux linkage....this flux of course would then dissapear instantly when the PWM shuts off....this change of flux would be picked up by the 2nd winding of the bi-filar...to a FWBR..to a CAP....to a LOAD...

using your two-meter, two-cap input power measurement thingy...and a simple volt reading on the LOAD.....it would enable a fairly easy way of measuring input against output while changing the parameters of the circuit.namely...the distance between the two NEOs....the frequency of pulsing...and lastly...the duty cycle ( would have to be hopefully a length of time which is equal to the time taken for the coil to reach full saturation..and no more ....since any more than this would be waste input)

since its a bifilar coil.....not only would the pickup coil pickup the flux of the DRIVE winding ( lets call it that ).....but would hopefully pickup the flux of the two NEOS as they link up via the DRIVE winding....and the same as the pwm shuts off....so you would get generation on BOTH energising the drive coil.and also when it shuts off....a nice two for one deal

obviously the two neos and the coil would have to be fixed in place....so they dont go walkabout when being energised.

David. D

[rave154]

GOTO ( & others )..

not to overload your brains....but....this has been perplexing me for some time...see attatchment...

in the top case...two neos....in attraction...with field lines in green...the orange rod represents a copper wire, at right angles to the field lines....being moved through the field lines...in & out of the picture ( Ie...in 3D as you look at the diagram )...

in this situation a voltage is generated across the wire as we alll know to be true...

in the next case ( 2nd one down )....the wire is now placed parralell to the field lines...and again moved in & out of the screen so to speak....this time.no voltage is generated because the wire is parralell to the lines and not at 90 degrees...again.were all familiar with this...BUT....

taking a look at the 3rd one down.. isnt the area of the wire marked in green...the SAME piece of copper wether the wire is paralell or at 90 degrees??????....and taking this further....

looking at the 4th option in the diagram...say i take a cube of copper as shown..and move it in & out of the screen as you look at the diagram......how does the system KNOW wether its paralell or at 90 degrees !?!?!!??!

another question, if with this cube of copper....i were to attach my volt meter leads to the left and right sides of it....would it show NO voltage?......and....if i were to now move the volt meter leads to the top and bottom of the cube.......would a voltage be generated since its now at 90 degrees??????

perplexed, David. D

[gotoluc]

Let me think where did I saw this setup before....
Oh right I posted my scheme a few pages back.


I'm off of this forum...

Hi Frenky,

I hope you don't feel I'm stealing your idea ... since God knows this is something I've been playing with before you posted your drawing. Here is a video I made back in September, where I kind of used the same thing: YouTube - Effect of Recirculating BEMF to Coil test 16

I hope you can build and experiment with your idea to help speed up the research.

The telephone was invented in many different places throughout the World and all at the same time. Seems the Universal Consciousness works this way

I hope you continue the research work! as the World desperately needs alternative energy solutions.

Sincerely

Luc

[gotoluc]

GOTO,

based upon your tests so far and sort of combining it with the diagram by FRENKY of his w.g.h measurement test.... would the following work ( see attatchment )..

since those NEOS's are heavy, and moving them physically up & down takes quite some "actual work"....instead....move the magnets field up and down inside a pickup coil..

the two NEOS are spaced and have a sufficient air gap that the south pole of the top magnet does not fully "LINK" up with the north pole of the bottom magnet since the air gap is too big ( would require some fiddling to determine the correct distance )...

then...when one winding of the bifilar is energised via a PWM...to produce a brief south pole on the top of the coil with a north pole on the bottom...this would be like instaneously putting another 3rd magnet inbetween the two NEOS...enabling a full flux linkage....this flux of course would then dissapear instantly when the PWM shuts off....this change of flux would be picked up by the 2nd winding of the bi-filar...to a FWBR..to a CAP....to a LOAD...

using your two-meter, two-cap input power measurement thingy...and a simple volt reading on the LOAD.....it would enable a fairly easy way of measuring input against output while changing the parameters of the circuit.namely...the distance between the two NEOs....the frequency of pulsing...and lastly...the duty cycle ( would have to be hopefully a length of time which is equal to the time taken for the coil to reach full saturation..and no more ....since any more than this would be waste input)

since its a bifilar coil.....not only would the pickup coil pickup the flux of the DRIVE winding ( lets call it that ).....but would hopefully pickup the flux of the two NEOS as they link up via the DRIVE winding....and the same as the pwm shuts off....so you would get generation on BOTH energising the drive coil.and also when it shuts off....a nice two for one deal

obviously the two neos and the coil would have to be fixed in place....so they dont go walkabout when being energised.

David. D

Hi David,

these are all good ideas and I'll be experimenting with them.

I think there would need to be a switch on the pickup coil side to kick in immediately after the pulse kicks off so not to pick-up the initial pulse energy.

Thanks for sharing your ideas

Luc

[gotoluc]

GOTO ( & others )..

not to overload your brains....but....this has been perplexing me for some time...see attatchment...

in the top case...two neos....in attraction...with field lines in green...the orange rod represents a copper wire, at right angles to the field lines....being moved through the field lines...in & out of the picture ( Ie...in 3D as you look at the diagram )...

in this situation a voltage is generated across the wire as we alll know to be true...

in the next case ( 2nd one down )....the wire is now placed parralell to the field lines...and again moved in & out of the screen so to speak....this time.no voltage is generated because the wire is parralell to the lines and not at 90 degrees...again.were all familiar with this...BUT....

taking a look at the 3rd one down.. isnt the area of the wire marked in green...the SAME piece of copper wether the wire is paralell or at 90 degrees??????....and taking this further....

looking at the 4th option in the diagram...say i take a cube of copper as shown..and move it in & out of the screen as you look at the diagram......how does the system KNOW wether its paralell or at 90 degrees !?!?!!??!

another question, if with this cube of copper....i were to attach my volt meter leads to the left and right sides of it....would it show NO voltage?......and....if i were to now move the volt meter leads to the top and bottom of the cube.......would a voltage be generated since its now at 90 degrees??????

perplexed, David. D

Hi David,

I think a very small voltage would be measured in your last picture if the meter probes are on the top and bottom of your cube and nothing if the probes are on the left and right of your cube. The same voltage as the cube should be measured in your second picture if probes are on the top and bottom of your wire and nothing if the probes are on the left and right even though the wire is longer in this direction.

That is how I understand it I think

Luc

[frenky]

Hi Frenky,

I hope you don't feel I'm stealing your idea ... since God knows this is something I've been playing with before you posted your drawing. Here is a video I made back in September, where I kind of used the same thing: YouTube - Effect of Recirculating BEMF to Coil test 16

I hope you can build and experiment with your idea to help speed up the research.

The telephone was invented in many different places throughout the World and all at the same time. Seems the Universal Consciousness works this way

I hope you continue the research work! as the World desperately needs alternative energy solutions.

Sincerely

Luc

Sorry Luc I overreacted. It's just that I have been so entusiastic over this idea that when you beat me to it I was quite dissapointed. I didn't saw this video before and this kind of setup (plus bottom magnet) is just the thing that I wanted to try but I'm still waiting for N48 neos (the stronger the beter right ).

I will also buy some plexi tubes for easier viewing of action.

This weekend I also made Orbo replication so I didn't get too much of work done on this experiment.

Keep up the good work.
Frenky

[bobo36us]

Luc........What a kind response!

Frenky........Thanks for not leaving us!

It is only through kindness, understanding, patience,
sharing, and respect that we can all figure this out together

[rave154]

GOTO,

referring to my diagram with the 4 different setups of magnets and the cube of copper...i agree with you, a voltage would be recorded with the multimeter connected top and bottom.....but no voltage with the multimeter connected left & right........which means........voltage is somehow,..."directional"??

[Vortex]

Please forgive

@ rave154, Luc, All:
I meant not to mislead anyone.
I did not create that video, thanks and questions go to YouTube - tortuga0303's Channel

I research and try to help you folks out ..

Things I have to say are speculative based upon my research and
the videos you guys published, not upon experiments (generally)..

hmm yes rave154, interesting YouTube - BI-TOROID VIDEO MAY 2008.mov
YouTube - ThaneCHeins's Channel

About Magnet and Coil test 1 & 2. Good Stuff
Those are interesting. As Luc said, the magnets have great force
that which reacts (leveraged) by a little force in the coil,
to move the mass of the magnet ..

food for thought: I don't have the video, but someone might know
of it and post it here. The video shows 2 donut magnets standing on edge
upon a piece of metal (well, maybe it's a magnet)
and one is pulsed through many different Hz..
the magnets dance (roll) back and forth, left to right in the video.
Very very interesting it is to see the resonance of the 2 magnets.
I found the video .. Everyone do watch this Marcos Dancing Magnets

Trying to work with magnets in a vertical plane, you are working against
gravity (or with it?)..
but rolling in the horizontal plane, left to right would remove gravity from the equation.
This would be entirely different though from what Luc is
doing where the magnet is traveling through the coil.
It might not allow for harvesting energy as the configuration Luc is using does.

[rave154]

GOTO,

this just occured to me, after watching a few "STEORN" videos etc etc...

basically the gist of the Steorn thing appears to...

make a motor, permanent magnets on the rotor...ferrite toroid coils as stators

magnets are attracted to the ferrite...as they reach TDC in relationto the toroid, you apply a pulse to the toroid coil which "blocks" the attraction between the magnet and the ferrite enabling the rotor to keep on going...everything ive seen so far on this seems to confirm it..

what theyve got here......is essentially......a magnetic switch.

with this in mind...consider the following diagram ( see attatchment )

consider it like the layout of a standard Bedini with mags glud onto the outsdide edge of a hard-disk drive platter as they seem to be popular... all south poles facing outwards....now....on the inner circumference........glue another set of magnets with their south poles facing outwards....

now, both magnets will attract the ferrite, not just because of their individual attraction to the ferrite....but also because as the rotor is pulled "into line" the south-to-north joining of both magnets also adds to the overall "pulling" force.....and....at the right time. the toroid with a single pulse serves a dual function of "cutting" / "cancelling" / "nulling" the attraction allowing the rotor to continue rotating...

basically....a "steorn" with a double set of magnets instead of just one set.

all of the torque in this motor is "FREE"......it is provided by the magnets, the only output used is the pulse to the coils at the right time to cancel the attraction between the magnets and the ferrite toroid core... with 2 sets of magnets ( inner set & outer set ) twice the torque PLUS the overall linkage of the north & south poles of both magnets in a line....and just a single pulse to cancel it all and allow the rotor to continue rotating.....

with all of this in mind.... taking your rotor and putting on top of the already rotating shaft...and used as a motor/generator....????

Hope all this makes some sense,

David. D