Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[gotoluc]

Dear researcher,

if you liked that last video you're going to love this new one even more

Link to Video: YouTube - Generator Coil test 2b

Luc

ADDED:

It gets even better I let my girl friend try the test of the difference between typical generator coil side compared to the other side and notice the flipping of the coil is also mostly eliminating the normal drag on the regular generator coil side

Not completely gone! but close to 90%

What do you think of that

I think I'm going to redo that last video to show both sides have changed.

[cody]

Ya just cant help but like this guy. What a sport, just gets in there and gets it done. Its funny that you have the coils the same as what Gyula had posted a while ago, the test that you did with the e cores. But we completely missed that effect then. So i wonder how much power can be extracted from coils that oppose each other being used as generator coils? Theres obviously much to test still, but its looking interesting. Keep up the great work!

[Vortex]

Hi Luc,

Many thanks for doing this quick test and the video, also for the loaded case. This will also surely be of help in creating a generator with a minimal drag to its prime energy source.

One short question on the previous topic: do you find my explanation ok on your finding the attract force much stronger than the repel force between the two transformers cores?

Thanks, Gyula

The copper pipe/magnet combination creates opposing equal force,
a repulsion force. Even repulsive spin force.

Repulsion/push/explosive/expanding/weakening force is less effective than
a attraction/pull/implosive/collapsing/strengthening force.
Attraction feds upon itself getting stronger as the two magnets get closer
together. Repulsion grows weaker as the magnets get farther apart.

Add to that a spin of force that combines together instead opposing,
dare i say .. maybe a vortex motion, and the attraction force is multiplied instead
of weakened by the spin.

To picture it easy in your mind, a very over simplified way to visualize it.
Take to pins/pencils in hand. The ends
are north pointing up and south pointing down.
Spin them both in the same direction.
While still spinning them in both hands, place the poles together.
Like poles spin it opposite directions, where opposite poles spin in the same
direction.
I'm not saying magnet fields spin in this manner, just if spin exists,
this is a way to visualize how those spins combine or oppose each other.

Just thinking
randy

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Luc, nice video, I made the same experiment some time ago with 2 very large rectangular coils I had built for a Newman type motor with stacks of neo magnets on the shaft for a length of magnets about 8 inches long just inside the coils. Then like you've shown I put coils on the outside of the magnet stacked rotor and found that there was next to no drag, just about like open circuit and the results were more voltage than current, it could fill a low microfarad cap but didn't have much current output but the volts were there. Though I was using very long lengths of 24 gauge wire at about 50 ohms per coil, so maybe yours will have more current. At the time I just didnt see a use for such low current but your experiments may prove different, good work.
peace love light
Tyson

[Michelinho]

Copper.

Hi gotoluc,

I would like if you can, redo the experiment with the 2 mw coils and place between the coils 1 piece of copper throughout the area between the coils and also with 2 copper straps only covering the legs that are impressed upon by the magnetic flux. Thanks.

Take care,

Michel

[gotoluc]

Hi gotoluc,

I would like if you can, redo the experiment with the 2 mw coils and place between the coils 1 piece of copper throughout the area between the coils and also with 2 copper straps only covering the legs that are impressed upon by the magnetic flux. Thanks.

Take care,

Michel

Hi Michel,

sorry but I don't have any copper sheet to do this test.

Luc

[gyula]

Ya just cant help but like this guy. What a sport, just gets in there and gets it done. Its funny that you have the coils the same as what Gyula had posted a while ago, the test that you did with the e cores. But we completely missed that effect then. So i wonder how much power can be extracted from coils that oppose each other being used as generator coils? Theres obviously much to test still, but its looking interesting. Keep up the great work!

Hi Cody and All,

I agree, the important test is to load the common output of the two opposing coils and experience the drag if there is any. The load can be a piece of wire as the biggest brute force load or say Luc's 10 Ohm high watt resistor.

Thanks, Gyula

[petersone]

Hi all
i done the following test.
Made 2 semi circular pieces of steel,about 2in dia,3/4in wide and mounted them on a rotor,put 4 mags. on the inside of each piece of steel,with the same poles facing the coil,rotated the rotor at about 200rpm,dia of the whole thing is about 10in.held a coil inside the rotating iron/mags,so,mags are now covering 1/2 the circuferance of the coil as it go's past.
The volts didn't go up much,but the current seem to be better,making it easier to spot lenz drag,I shorted the middle peak with a diode,the rotor DID
slow down,so unless the test is not valid for some reason,normal lenz's law applies.
peter

[gotoluc]

Hi Cody and All,

I agree, the important test is to load the common output of the two opposing coils and experience the drag if there is any. The load can be a piece of wire as the biggest brute force load or say Luc's 10 Ohm high watt resistor.

Thanks, Gyula

Hi Gyula and all,

when I first found this effect I thought that it may not produce power in this configuration so I tested the coil on a motor that is turning a 10" Lexan disk to about 1,500 RPM which has 8 of 1" X 1/8" N42 Neo's counter sunk and epoxied in a north south alternating pattern.

First I connected just one coil to a 1 Ohm load and 60uf motor cap and approached the coil to pickup the best voltage on the load which was 1.30vac. I then added the coil to get no Lenz effect and retested using the same load and got it to 1.20vac with the coil at about the same position. I'm doing this by hand so at this time I don't have accurate results but it looks very promising to me.

The video below is of a prior test but demonstrates (not the same as I just described) how I tested it. Just keep in mind that I used a 1 Ohm and not a 10 Ohm like in this video.

Link to Video: YouTube - Generator Coil test 1

Luc

[gyula]

Hi Luc,

Ok and many thanks for these tests, I have followed you so far and I think now the important thing is to load the common output of the two coils while they are positioned in the best sideways possible.
Is this what you also mean?

Gyula

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc,

Ok and many thanks for these tests, I have followed you so far and I think now the important thing is to load the common output of the two coils while they are positioned in the best sideways possible.
Is this what you also mean?

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

the coil testing was originally for seeing the results of a magnet passing sideways. However, using the dual coil arrangement with one coil flipped removes most of the Lenz drag effect on the normal generator side of the coil and all of it with magnet passing sideways. This has open the testing of coils in both ways. So yes I will test it sideways but also normal and post the results.

I will build a better rotating testing machine to which I will mount my large 2" X 1" N50 Neo magnets. I have a low RPM PM DC motor that will be perfect for this job.

I also don't see why this no Lenz effect coil configuration would not work in a motor. I will also test this coil configuration with magnetized steel core (like my mostly magnet motor) to which I hope will raise coil output as Inductance will rise.

It will take me a few days to build this test device.

Stay tuned.

Luc

[sseti]

I think I some time ago already saw that. if it will help, I attach link to it

500 - Spiral Coil Generator SP500

[rave154]

Finally, my DSO-USB scope has arrived, but i got the 2150 and not the 2090......just to make GOTOLUC jealous !

[rave154]

for GOTOLUC

GOTO,

i just dug this out of my pile of circuits that i have come across during my travels,

if you need the bigger version of the picture to read properly , let me know and i will email it to you.

btw, on the USB lead to my scope, on the end that plugs into the PC there are two USB plugs, a red one and a black one.... which do you use?

David. D

[gotoluc]

Hi David,

congratulation on getting yourself a USB scope.

The red connector can be used if your computer complains that the USB bus has low voltage. Some laptops have this problem as only a certain amount of current is supplied to each connector. I have never had this problem (I use just the black connector) , so if you don't enough USB connections available try it without the red connected and see if it works.

Luc