Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[gyula]

@Gyula or anyone that can help.

could you post some optical switch circuits and components that can be used.

I have one of those night light that turn on when it's dark. Could I use the light sensitive resistor from it to control a mosfet gate? I have both NPN and PNP mosfet's on hand.

Thanks for your help

Luc

Hi Luc,

Though I replied to you on the above topic about half an hour later after you had asked you did not build it with the light sensitive resistor but the reed switch. Probably I should have drawn a schematic too but was in a hurry then.
Here is an optical switch schematic from Naudin in the middle of this link and any type of opto coupler can be used. (Of course the generator idea is ALSO worth studying

2SGen, an amazing tiny Solid State Generator by JL Naudin

Some info on opto-isolators (optocouplers) : Opto-isolators In the schematics shown the OUT pin can go directly to a power MOSFET gate and the common negative to the source of the MOSFET. At the bottom of the link some manufacturers link is included to their opto devices.

rgds, Gyula

[cody]

Hi Cody,

I'm wondering if your questions above have been answered in the last GOBO test 4 video?

Please let me know.

Luc

Hi Luc,

Thanks for doing that test. Well, for the generator effect, its obvious that you are getting a lower voltage with your configuration but its hard to say for sure which one is producing more/less power without a current measurement. Being that its the same coil length and turns either way, im assuming that it does indeed produce less power, but the unusual wiring configuration could be producing a transformer effect, which would mean that voltage alone isnt enough information. But its looking very good so far. Great work!

Cody

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc,

Though I replied to you on the above topic about half an hour later after you had asked you did not build it with the light sensitive resistor but the reed switch. Probably I should have drawn a schematic too but was in a hurry then.
Here is an optical switch schematic from Naudin in the middle of this link and any type of opto coupler can be used. (Of course the generator idea is ALSO worth studying

2SGen, an amazing tiny Solid State Generator by JL Naudin

Some info on opto-isolators (optocouplers) : Opto-isolators In the schematics shown the OUT pin can go directly to a power MOSFET gate and the common negative to the source of the MOSFET. At the bottom of the link some manufacturers link is included to their opto devices.

rgds, Gyula

Hi Gyula,

I did see your previous post!... thanks for your help as always. The optical switch I had in mind is to replace the reed switch for my Orbo experiments. I think what you posted above is to isolate a mosfet switch optically. I don't see how this will make an optical timing switch.

Thanks again.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

here is a new video an maybe my last video of GOBO as I've tested many things and this is the best as I can get it to at this time.

Link to video: YouTube - GOBO Magnet Motor test 5

Luc

[gotoluc]

This video is now deleted as it was incorrect.

See below explanation

Luc

[gyula]

Hi Gyula,

I did see your previous post!... thanks for your help as always. The optical switch I had in mind is to replace the reed switch for my Orbo experiments. I think what you posted above is to isolate a mosfet switch optically. I don't see how this will make an optical timing switch.

Thanks again.

Luc

Hi Luc,

Yes, you are right, sorry. What you need is an optical interrupter that has a slot you can open or close by a rotating piece of plastic like for instance Naudin used in his version 3 Steorn replication. See it at 0:28 in his video: YouTube - The New Steorn motor V3 replication by JL Naudin It is a T shaped black colored plastic piece glued to the rotor body, that interrupts light in the optical 'gate' during rotation.

(His opto interrupter type is RPI-441C1 from Rohm Semiconductor, quoted from a member at overunity.com)

OF course there are other types, for instance OPB490 datasheet pdf datenblatt - OPTEK Technologies - Photologic Slotted Optical Switches ::: ALLDATASHEET ::: or Optoelectronics - Infrared Products - Phototransistor Optical Interrupter Switches/Gap Width=5 mm, Fairchild Semiconductor - Global Leader in Power Optimization etc.

Here is a schematic I gave last year to a member at overunity.com, it is with a bipolar switching transistor but it is good also for MOSFETs.
Circuit setups for pulse motors

If you use MOSFET for switching, its gate should go to the point where the base is indicated and its source to where the emitter is tied to, i.e. gnd.

rgds, Gyula

[gotoluc]

Thanks Gyula,

yes! that is what I wanted.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I deleted the inductance gain test video (posted above) as I did some new tests today and I now can confirmed that there is no energy gain if inductance is increased during a coil energizing period (on time).

I had not realized that when the core dropped back down when switched off it induced a current in the coil because of the magnet I add to the core. That is where the gain was coming from.

I will delete the video posted above as it maybe misleading and not mention confusing

Luc

[rave154]

gotoluc's flynn device

Hi LUC, hope things are well with you.

I just reviewed your flynn tests and something struck me.

in your first video you used a MOT for a heavy weight, but then, in the second video used a small piece of core.

point being the device without power, was easily capable of lifting the heavy MOT ( and perhaps even more weight? who knows?)...with that in mind...refer to the attachment if you will.


at the top is your flynn device, under it instead of the MOT...is a heavy piece of steel/iron connected underneath via plastic ( or non ferrous ) is a stack of neos which are inserted into a pickup coil.

as you power the flynn device, the heavy steel/iron falls due to gravity, which is free apart from the pulse of power required by the flynn to "let go" of the heavy steel.

as it falls it generates current in the pickup coil, BUT....it then bounces against the spring back up...which is definitely free, again generating current in the coil....in fact with careful timing / selection of weights & springs......the heavy steel as it bounced back up.....would not have to actually physically re-connect to the flynn....as the flynn could be triggered just at the right time to turn "off" the flux and allow the heavy steel to fall again ( via free gravity again )

in the picture i have the pickup coil placed simply around the bottom stack of neos....obviously this may or may not be the ideal place to put a pickup coil.

thinking about "how much" weight to use...you would choose a weight which is just inside the limit of what the flynn is capable of holding, that way you could use only a very minimal pulse to release it..and allow the springs to bounce it back up again.

thinking about it, there should be a gap between the heacy steel and the springs......to allow the steel to free fall through the coil before hitting the springs and being sprung back up again

[rave154]

LUC ( if youre still out there )...

re my last post and the diagram...

instead of the springs.... after watching your video "Magent and Coil test 1"...where you have a magnet fixed at the bottom in repel mode.... this might be used to replace the springs and still provide "bounce" back up towards the flynn?

your video...

YouTube - Magnet and Coil test 1

[Inquorate]

anyone heard from @gotoluc? This was / is a pretty good idea.

[gotoluc]

Hi LUC, hope things are well with you.

I just reviewed your flynn tests and something struck me.

in your first video you used a MOT for a heavy weight, but then, in the second video used a small piece of core.

point being the device without power, was easily capable of lifting the heavy MOT ( and perhaps even more weight? who knows?)...with that in mind...refer to the attachment if you will.


at the top is your flynn device, under it instead of the MOT...is a heavy piece of steel/iron connected underneath via plastic ( or non ferrous ) is a stack of neos which are inserted into a pickup coil.

as you power the flynn device, the heavy steel/iron falls due to gravity, which is free apart from the pulse of power required by the flynn to "let go" of the heavy steel.

as it falls it generates current in the pickup coil, BUT....it then bounces against the spring back up...which is definitely free, again generating current in the coil....in fact with careful timing / selection of weights & springs......the heavy steel as it bounced back up.....would not have to actually physically re-connect to the flynn....as the flynn could be triggered just at the right time to turn "off" the flux and allow the heavy steel to fall again ( via free gravity again )

in the picture i have the pickup coil placed simply around the bottom stack of neos....obviously this may or may not be the ideal place to put a pickup coil.

thinking about "how much" weight to use...you would choose a weight which is just inside the limit of what the flynn is capable of holding, that way you could use only a very minimal pulse to release it..and allow the springs to bounce it back up again.

thinking about it, there should be a gap between the heacy steel and the springs......to allow the steel to free fall through the coil before hitting the springs and being sprung back up again

Hi rave154,

thanks for your post and diagram.

I think the load connected to the generating coil will cause a resistance (loss of momentum) in each direction the magnet travels through the generator coil. This and some losses in the spring or repelling magnet will prevent the generator magnet to go back high enough for the Flynn to attract it to create another cycle.

It would need to be tested to confirm 100%

Luc

[rave154]

Thanks for the reply Luc,

pondering it all now...trying to do a "tesla mind experiment" of it all ( best i can anyways )

ordered a magnetic field viewer, i want to study further the effects on a magnetic flux when a second flux is rapidly introduced in the same area..at various angles etc. The reason being..is that flux....unlike "mechanical" things.....can just..almost instantaneously "jump" to a new location and then spring back..... seems to me to be a very efficient form of "movement"..and since we can pick up power each time it does this.....it would seem that finding the correct form of geometry between the two fluxes to maximise the "rate of change" is important.

[gotoluc]

Sounds good rave

All the best in your magnetic flux experiments

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

it has been over 2 years since I fist started this topic about a AC Permanent Magnet Motor Design idea I had that its motive force would mostly come from Permanent magnets.

Maybe I didn't explain all the design advantages well enough when I fist introduced it so I decided to build a small prototype and do a better video. In this video I demonstrate the design idea I had 2 years ago of bridging over the opposite pole of the Magnet using steel lamination over the outside of the coil. This takes advantage of the coils outside opposite field which close to doubles the motive force without using additional current..

Please keep in mind that the coil I'm using in this demo model maybe far from optimum. I still need to learn about coil time constant. There are also many other details that could be optimized. So I think it would be fair to say that the motive force could be doubled without additional current input.

I need to learn more about how to calculate the ideal coil resistance and turns for a particular on time, voltage and frequency. So if anyone can see obvious things from the scope shots that the coils on time power is being wasted (not making a strong field) please advise me.
I also need to learn the proper specs for making a Pony Brake to do some load tests.


Links to video's:
Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor Part A: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor Part A - YouTube

Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor Part B: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor Part B - YouTube


Your input is welcomed


Luc