Dielectric emf recycler

[Inquorate]

Spike - Vox

[nilrehob]

Did you do the whole circuit?

[Inquorate]

Where I'm at so far..

I'd forgotten how many setbacks and frustrations come about with experiments..

YouTube - explaining my current line of experimentation

Still, feels good to be back in the swing of things

@ nilrehob - this video is in answer to your post above

[nilrehob]

@Inquorate

Yes, in your setup the pos of the cap should go to ground.
Usually you have the load above the NPN transistor connected to the collector.
Then its just like a solid state ssg.
On the #2 osc-reading: the first small spike is the charging of the coil, the platform is when the coil is saturated and acts as a resistor, the negative spike is the discharge of the coil into the cap.
For efficiency you would want the platform to be as small/short as possible.

/Hob

[rave154]

INQ,

just watched your video,

i like your thinking

i cant tell you what to do, but heres the way "my" mind works in situations like yours,... i would try...... the following...

damn...too complicated to type in descriptions... next time we skype ill draw it real time while getting your input.

David. D

[rave154]

Does anyone have a link to a graph plotting current rising over time in a coil over time to a fixed given DC voltage?

[gyula]

Hi,

Maybe this link helps you:

Time Constants

Gyula

[rave154]

Thanks gyula, just what i was hoping for

[rave154]

FAO INQ ( & others )

considering the "classic" pulsed coil, just long enough to establish the full magnetic field....then the applied voltage is removed via MOSFET / TRANSISTOR....

the magnetic field collapses and what manifests is the classic "high voltage negative spike".

were told that this voltage spike has little or no current, but a very high voltage.

now, heres what ive been contemplating..

i was taught / told, that "voltage" is a difference in the number of electrons between point A and point B... and to make this simple, lets assume that an electron has a charge of 1 volt.

so, if we have 100 electrons on the left and 70 electrons on the right......then we would have a voltage potential difference of 30 volts between right & left.

now consider the "spiike", which manifests as the current through the coil rushes to zero, it is an almost infinite voltage, the fact that it shows up on the meters / scopes as 120 volts, or 190 volts etc......is more to do with the inability of the meters to record such a short duration & high voltage spike...

So, if this spike is infinite ( or at least a lot higher than the meters are showing ), then i can only see 1 of 2 situations occuring...

1)... the spike ( for an infinitesibly small amount of time ) has "some" number of electrons on the right......and an almost infinite number of electrons on the left.....giving us......an almost infinite voltage for a very short amount of time.....

OR...

2)... the spike... has "some" number of electrons on the left, and an almost infinite number of "electron holes" on the right....giving us the equivelant "infinite voltage spike"...

i guess my question is, after pondering all of this ( if im correct in my thinking here ), what exactly is happening in the spike, are "holes" being manufactured? ( in the case of the infinite amount of holes on one side to give the high voltage potential difference)

are electrons being dragged in from "somewhere" ( in the case of the almost infinite amount of electrons on one side to give the high voltage).....if this is the case then perhaps the fact that this takes place in such a short space of time is the only thing that stops the whole thing from melting-down, as we can all agree, an inifinite amount of electrons suddenly being dragged en-masse from "somewhere".......would represent an AWESOME current..and would just melt everything.

so, my final question.......what exactly "IS" this spike?

David. D

[nilrehob]

so, my final question.......what exactly "IS" this spike?

It all depends on who you ask
My answer is that there is no magic at all in the spike,
the energy in the spike is totally predictable using "known" science: E=1/2LI^2
The hight depends on the resistive load.
Batteries have low resistance and thus gives high/short spike.
If there is any magic in coils my guess is that the coils have to be VERY big,
like Newmans big fat motor with a coil as a big barrel,
to give noticeable magic.
But then again, many would disagree...
And i could be wrong...
See this thread and you will understand what i mean:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eld-spike.html

/Hob

[Mavrick23]

The voltage in the spike

No answer, but a thought. Beardon talks about the electrons shifting in their orbits as energy is addded and reverting to their normal orbit level giving off photons to account for the energy drop. Could a similar thing be going on here in that we are seeing a difference in energy levels instead of more electrons?

Michael L.

[Inquorate]

No answer, but a thought. Beardon talks about the electrons shifting in their orbits as energy is addded and reverting to their normal orbit level giving off photons to account for the energy drop. Could a similar thing be going on here in that we are seeing a difference in energy levels instead of more electrons?

Michael L.

That's my thinking, as the magnetic field collapses, the aether or zero point energy field or whatever, immediately comes to a new equilibrium point and spins the electrons faster.

Just had a thought. Maybe not faster, maybe backwards, creating a localized reversal of time?

[nilrehob]

I forgot about Rosemary's circuit, i have printed the papers but haven't read them yet, too many interrupts all the time, but i guess they tell yet another story?

/Hob

[nilrehob]

However, this voltage spike should occur with both coils, in parallel;

Something for nothing - Vox

I may be wrong, but i think i see your circuit as part of Benites TS circuit.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...f-benitez.html

/Hob

[rave154]

for INQ & others,

i (finally ) got my pwm circuit back up and running and wanted to do the following series of tests..

taking a coil ( im using the coil from a shaded pole fan motor ) and pulsing at a given frequency, i was using 500Hz...

starting at a duty cycle of 1% and working up in graduations of 1% to perhaps 20%....at each step doing the following test...

FWBR going from the coil to a cap...

power supply for the coil from a cap or cap bank of known capacitence.. and cap bank charged up each time to the same value, therebyw enabling a calculation of joules BEFORE test.and joules left AFTER test...

the test being pulsing the coil for a given amount of time ( say 5 seconds or whatever is convienient ) and recording the voltage on the charge cap.

i was going to plot this out on a simple graph to see what duty cycle was most efficient in terms of joules put into the charge cap versus joules taken out of the cap bank.

however, after playing with this now for about an hour, its clear that neither my 555 pwm circuit, nor my 494 pwm circuit is up to producing the smaller duty cycles ( 1% -->7% etc )

if anybody has a signal generator and could do this test i would LOVE to see the graph plotted out. i think it could be very interesting as we all tend to just "assume" that..... "ok, we will pulse the coil just long enough so that the magnetic field is fully established and then turn it off"......but what about if its more EFFICIENT in terms of output compared to input to only charge the coil for maybe half that amount of time...or a 3rd???

we dont "know" what is most efficient until this test is done.

we are just "assuming" that its most efficient to take the coil all the way up till the magnetic field is fully established and then turn it off....until this test is done....we wont KNOW.

David. D