Dielectric emf recycler

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Peace

I have offered peace with Dave_cahoon, who has apologised.

If this works, he has asked that I give credit to his photo and to George Wiseman for the source of his idea at Eagleresearch.com...

I can understand the emotional commitment to an idea and to the hours spent experimenting and researching that Dave_cahoon has spent on this, and also to a posting made on a forum that includes an image or schematic that one has made that is in direct culmination of one's said work.

I hope that in future work can be done on this idea that is constructive and that can hopefully benefit humanity.

Apart from the hours of pleasure we gain and the personal enrichment derived thereof, we all participate in free energy research in an open source forum in the hope that we can somehow contribute to the improvement of the human condition.

It's best that we keep this in mind in our endeavours and try to reign in the egoic, knee jerk response we want to have when we are emotionally committed.

To err is human.

Thankyou dave_cahoon, I am otherwise honoured to have a seasoned veteran of an idea be interested in the rebirthing and development of the concept.

I hope that we can all learn from each other in a mutually beneficial and constructive way.

Love and light

[rave154]

Hi all,

going to have a crack at this circuit for starters, ( see attatchment ), i actually came across this quite a while ago, already have the 4 relays and 4 caps etc.....but then got distracted by another thread...grr.....dont ya just hate it when that happens ;-)

Ahimsa,

David. D

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Back in business

Remember bedini saying the spike is free?

It can be there because it is pure potential; there's no current, and therefore no watts.

Remember bedini saying the manic happens in the battery ( I say 'or capacitor' ); it's because there, the potential does work, as dielectric stress.

Pulse charging from a cap to battery causes the dielectric stress to spin electrons, and turns 'fluffy' charge into real electrochemical shift.

I'm going back in my lab tomorrow (lots of cleaning up to do), got cleared to sit and minimal bending.. I have some basic experiments in mind regarding the spike.

Should have a video up in 2 days. It's good to be back

[lamare]

Remember bedini saying the spike is free?

It can be there because it is pure potential; there's no current, and therefore no watts.

Remember bedini saying the manic happens in the battery ( I say 'or capacitor' ); it's because there, the potential does work, as dielectric stress.

Pulse charging from a cap to battery causes the dielectric stress to spin electrons, and turns 'fluffy' charge into real electrochemical shift.

As you know, I agree that the magic happens in the battery/cap and is caused by the dielectric relaxation / non-permanent electret effect. All the spikes appear to do, is turn this effect on and keep it alive. The excess energy then comes from this polarized dielectricum, because the electric field it radiates contains energy itself, which is converted one way or the other from incoming energy flows from the vacuum.

I think it might be a good idea to use transformers instead of coils in our circuits. In the Bedini SG circuit, you cannot dump the spike of the coil back to the + of the source battery trough a diode, because then you short the coil out and your spike is gone. So, you need a second battery to charge. However, with a transformer you could avoid that.

So, it may be that the attached circuit is all we need. Even though I haven't tested this and it may not work in the exact configuration shown here, I post this anyway, since I don't want this to be patented and put in the closet for 20 years. And for that reason, I should add that the transistor could be any switching device, including but not limited to mechanical switching and/or the use of FETs..... And for the same reason, I should also add that this principle could also be used in numerous variants in other circuits, including but not limited to the Tesla Switch circuit and the circuits shown in this thread, to feed any battery and/or capacitor in the circuit at wish with spikes of any desired frequency and duration in order to induce and/or maintain this dielectric relaxation effect. And, I should add that the transformer could include any number of secondary coils, so with one primary coil, one could drive any number of secondary coils and hence any number of batteries/capacitors at wish. And I should add that the secondary coil(s) do(es) not necessarily have to be connected to signal ground. It could be any circuit that directs the output of the secondary to some battery/capacitor somewhere in the circuit. And I should add that the primary of the coil does not necessarily have to be driven in the exact way shown. The driving circuit could be any circuit that generates a voltage difference of any desired frequency and duration at the terminals of the primary coil. And finally, I should add that this principle is not limited to charging capacitors and/or batteries for the sole purpose of deriving electric current afterwards. It could also be used in all circumstances where the electric field inside a capacitive device is used, including but not limited to capacitive electrolyse devices such as Stanley Meyers water fuel cells, provided a proper dielectricum is used in between the capacitor plates, which may be in any form or shape.

Even if this does not work exactly as shown here, it would be interesting to try this, because this would be a very good indication whether or not it is possible to charge a battery, while powering a load at the same time.

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Finally a tidbit to share

Played with the commutator today, was about to do a movie when (because my drill now wobbles, another story) one of the copper contacts came flying off. Will have to fix it.

TS commutator - Vox

But I did do some measurements. One of the caps had a battery on it - only one capacitor retained it's 'conditioning' from weeks ago so together they all dropped voltage over time - and was pulling 15 to 20 ma to keep the caps charged.

I could not measure current between the caps with a meter on ac setting, but a small 12v bulb on the ground line remained lit enough to cast a transparent shadow, orange red filament, yellow light, without noticeably increasing the current draw from the battery.

Later, when I'd thrown a shoe, I connected the 12v bulb, 180 ohm resistor and amp meter to the battery; for 40 ma, the bulb filament barely reddened for half it's length.

So I'll tentatively say that 3 or more times the work for each Joule in seems well within reach.

I'm not prepared to say more than that yet because I don't have enough to go on.. I need to do more experimenting to verify.

Have to spend the rest of the day lying down now due to illness, but will hopefully have more to share soon.

Love and light

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Proposal

I worked out how to easily test the theory re conditioned electrolytic capacitors showing the Electret effect;

Conditioned electrolytic capacitor Electret effect test - Vox

It should show a net gain in joules if the caps are conditioned and the pulse width and frequency is correct for the air core coil, hopefully more than the capacitor losses, or we'll have to measure the losses and add those joules to the final score.

Capacitor Energy and Time Constant Calculator

Of course, you may want to only pulse the coil while the top drive capacitor is relatively full, so you'd want a higher capacitance there.

I've got that image as my phone's background to remind me to do the test but I figured I'd put it out there.

Love and light

[fusionchip]

worlds first AA POWERED HEATER /LIGHT

Hello . This is My project that i have entered into the ou contest . This is the basic unit a joule thief and a 650 farad 2.7 volt ultracapacitor . I have factory boards coming this week that make this a self runner and control the discharge of the bcap into a 1 watt load . all this time the max 856 chip will keep the aa battery topped off once the bcap reaches over the unity of the battey and also contains a programmable PIC controller . The Plans are released on ou . com on the Second stage Joule Thief circuits thread . My name is Gadgetmall or they call me Gadget over there . these ultracaps have the ability to capture spikes off a joule thief and convert them into real amps and volts unlike a battery that sees this as ghost electricity . This is one of my first Videos on the device and more will come as the new circuit arrives made By groundloop . this video shows how simple itis to make an > 1 or self runner device. And it was in front of everyones nose! I discovered this months ago and decided to progress with group help . Welcome to the future brought to you by me and a few others . This is scalable and i can see self poweed golf carts and bikes being the first types of devices following home generators made all powered from small Ni/mh batteries or also i have used a bcap as the primary source and run just like the batteries .

This simple standard jt with a secondary lighting up 1 watt worth of leds is tuned to input 13 ma and out put 5 ma off the ce junction rectified . I have better designs on circuit boards that pull 2 ma and output 21 ma . there are also a video of that as well . some say the measurments are wrong . they might be but one thing is for sure , its input is correct and it will charge a bcap !Once this happens then the bcap will be higher than the aa battery in voltage and have more amperage and therefor over the unity of the battery . It can then be recycled back to the aabattery with The circuit or or maunaly with a 1.2 vol light bulb hooked between the pos of the bcap and the pos of the battery . No it will not blow the germanium diode . Already replicated and people are amazed ! what works works and i am not the one to figure out why it works i just am a lowly inventor and if it works then dont fix it . I originally lit nichrome wire on it and lit ciggs and the heat was awsome now i use thermoelectric pelitier modules and so the worlds first AA powered Heater .Cooler / light source that self runs :
The reason this worked is the joule thief is made very efficiant and if you make one to run for weeks ,months off of an aa ni/mh battery it will charge the bcap up ina day to 2 . This perticular bcap has a 3500amp short circuit current and about 700 amps continuious output . it can also discharge as low as 1 ma for months once charged . This cap can be conditioned with a bedini in series with a battey as it sees all battery chargers and other batteries as a direct short ! I have burned up a great battery charger 50 amps trying to charge these up !It will smoke your charger !You are welcome to replicate it if you are interested . I only have 20 boards factory made but you can make your own with the cad files Ground loop provideed or make it on a solder breadboard.

YouTube - the black box part 1 part 1

part 2-3
YouTube - the black box part 2 3

fusionchip


YouTube - the black box part 1

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Fusion - can you post a link to the schematic and parts you are using?

Looks great so far

[fusionchip]

Fusion - can you post a link to the schematic and parts you are using?

Looks great so far

Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits primary circuit

Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits picture of factory controller custom made
Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits feedback circuit and complete controller schematics

I promised not to release the exact final version untile Gl and i do a 2 to 4 moth test at which time when we are satisfied with the programming the PIC code will be released . You need to read the thread to get a few modifications but this is a sum up and will work and the 400 dollars worth of boards are working as we speak .The only difference is we use a power transistor in place of the mosfet . I Have complete controld over the factory Borads . estimated cost is approximatly 200 per populated board although i have not decided to let any go as of yet . they are expensive to make 25 cost 400 unpopulated .

fusionchip

[fusionchip]

OUT LINE of OU CONTROLLER

circuit uses less than 0,7mA.

Circuit should have a automatically feed back that could charge the AA battery from the BCAP.
My circuit will automatically feed back current to AA battery when AA battery voltage
has dropped to 1,3 Volt (adjustable) AND BCAP has a charge voltage higher than the AA battery.
The base current to the NPN transistor is not wasted and will also charge the AA battery.
The maximum charge current is limited by the transistor HFE (20).
The base current are (5/270)/2 = 0,009 Amp. so max. feed back charge current is 0,185 Amp.
This is a safe charge current for a NiMeH AA battery. (/2 is because PWM control with 50% duty.)

Circuit should have a automatically discharge from BCAP to load.
My circuit will automatically discharge the BCAP to load when the BCAP has reached approx. 2,5 volt.
The discharge will automatically stop when the BCAP reach approx. 1,5 volt. This threshold voltage
was selected bacause we always want the BCAP voltage to be higher than the AA voltage so that
we can get a feed back charge to AA battery when needed. The maximum discharge current is only
limited to the pcb tracks ability to conduct current AND the max. N-mosfet current ability. This is
estimated to be approx. 40 ampere pulsed with 50% duty cycle.

This circuit will prove without any doubht if a JT or boost converter + Bcap is over unity or not by simply
let the circuit run and see if the AA battery and BCAP will discharge or charge.

Also the link to the PIC programmer circuit Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits

[fusionchip]

OUT LINE of OU CONTROLLER

Also forgot to mention that the circuit Sleeps when no work of it is required and only pulls 20 microamps in sleep mode . It is awaken by a low battery threshold sensor inside the max chip .The Circuit was built By Groundloop specificly with My specification and he is a great EE and inventor as well ! It is amazing he can make anything from your ideas and i thank him from the bottom to the top of my heart . A true hero in the free energy research field . i cannot attach an rar file but here is the link to the file containing the Eagle CAD (from CadSoft Online: EAGLE Layout Editor) design files, some gif files and the SW

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?a...0;attach=40203

Thats all for now guys and gals

fusionchip

[rave154]

Hi all,

Finally ive managed to put together the circuit shown in the attatchment... my differences are...

batteyr source is 12V NOT 1.2V as shown

R1 & R2 are 470 ohms and not 300 ohms

C1,2,3 & 4 are 4,700uF and not 5,000uF

relays 1,2,3 & 4 are replaced with a single 4PDT relay

transformer is a 240V to 12V centre tapped on the secondary..using it backwards so to speak.

all other values are as per the diagram...

pulsing using a 555 pwm to a mosfet to switch the relay, at a frequency of 17Hz, duty cycle 50%

i recorded a constant ( at least thats what the meter showed ) voltage of 1.24V across C1 & C2(combined).,..same voltage across C3 & C4 combined.

voltage across R2 was 0.97V

current draw from battery (@ 12V not 1.2V as shown in diagram ) was 20mA

David. D

[Inquorate]

Very cool, I'm not far behind.

Any thoughts on how to cut the pulse off at the series side, and recover the collapse of a coil?

Any chance of a video?

Happy new year

[rave154]

INQ,

i was going to do a video but it wouldnt have shown anything that text couldnt describe.

i still want to double check a few things with the circuit to be absolutely sure ive got it wired properly, this i will do tomorrow morning. I think i will wind a 1-to-1 transformer on a ferrite rod like the original circuit shows.

I spose i could put another FWBR on the primary of the transformer and try and capture the flyback that way into a cap with another resistor as a load to add to the overall output tally.

i also have a broken PC power supply that im harvesting parts from, it has some nice toroids on it( might have a tinker with the steorn thingy using them ) so i can use one of those as the transformer too see if theres any difference.

Im not finished with this circuit yet, by any means.

will keep you posted.

David. D

[dave_cahoon]

problems i encountered

Using relay i had problems with them welding shut and short circuits.

Using FETs with a transformer, there is one fet that will get HOT, keep adding primary turns until is cold.

Using light bulbs introduced nonlinearitys.

Measuring hot resisters with watt ratings below the peak power being dissipated.

The meaning of peak power vs average power.

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Any flyback from an inductor will integrate on a cap as there is no other way to ground.

If you want all the circuit maker files I can send them along.
I see I cant send them or the text files from 1995 they have invalid file types for this forum (.txt). Here is the patent app.

Where I live caps always charge up. I can open a drawer of them and get a pop from most any of them... I did a multiyear study on that too.

Good luck with your experiments
Dave