Radiant Energy Utilization

[dmonarch]

Ok so ive been fiddling with a small circuit which appears to allow me to charge a capacitor from a charged capacitor many times. Not only this but the capacitors which were charged with the special circuit increase there voltage. I am using a 9v battery and the cap that is initally charged at first reads 9v then when i charge the other caps using the original charged cap the caps spontaniously increase there voltage to what seems around 200v if not more. This effect only occurs if i disconnect the battery from the original source capacitor which is used to charge the other caps.
If you measure it with a high impedance meter the voltage is there. As soon you try to measure the rate of discharge by placing a resistor across the cap the voltage is no longer there. I am wondering if the caps are charging radiantly and the reason it wont display any power as such is because of the way i am utilizing it. When one looks at all the other radiant devices they utilize the radiant energy in short pulses. Also the load is always recomeneded to be one of high resistance which matches what i have observed.
Also using these specially charged caps i can hook them together and they behave like an osciallator. There is no real charge involved just voltage i think
I would be interested in anyones thoughts on what i have observed.
Cheers
Damian

[Dave Michael Rogers]

Electrets

Hi Dom,

What you describe is similar to what I have seen also with radiant energy charging of capacitors. Actually, I think the forming of an electret in a normally electrolytic capacitor is initiated more by the sudden abrupt discharge from an over voltage state.

Charging with HV impulses (re John Bedini), alters the electrochemistry of lead acid batteries and causes extra dendrite growths on the negative plate. John Bedini recently agreed that this does also happen in capacitors.

Regards
Dave

[dmonarch]

WHat Next

Hi Dave
What would you or anyone recomend next.
One thing i know for sure is that i can charge a single capacitor and charge and discharge other capacitors from the one source. This is tested and true.
This other thing that is for sure is that the capacitors which are charged using the original source capacitor spontaniously increase voltage in less that a second i would say. Also when you utilize the cap that is charged this way it will bounce back up to the high voltage if left allone for maybe 10secs this is why I think the caps need to be utilized momentarily in short pulses to overcome the self recharge delay.
The ability for the capacitors when charged in this fashion and hooked together to create an oscillator is real as well. It is a dc oscillator and bounces between around 30v to around 300v.
I have some 20kv low farad caps and a hv power supply was thinking of trying the circuit with a 1kv. I am a bit worried about what might occur though. Might leave it till i have done some more fiddling with the caps and see if i can get some real work out of them. I really think hi impedance and many short pulses is the way to utilizes the caps.
I am getting another mulitmeter today just to double check the phenomenon.

I'd appreciate any ideas
Cheers
Damian

[Inquorate]

Been researching the same thing

@ damian - just a couple of references for you

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...rch-group.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-recycler.html

Conditioned bedini capacitors discharged to each other from series to parallel - Heretical Builders

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ing-field.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nt-spikes.html

love and light

[dmonarch]

Thanks

Hi Inquorote thanks for the links. Interesting though im not sure i agree with your explanations of the capacitors spontiously charging.
That said i have no hard core explanation of the phenomenon. Most of the really good ideas i have, are the ones which occur without thinking or working through of logic they just appear out of no where and generally do so when i am as high as a kite.
Its quite strange. I am brilliant at working through phenomenon and creating models however when the seed for the model comes from a normal state of mind it tends to be a dud. On the other hand if the seed comes from an altered state of mind it tends to be so obvious, so simple, so basic that in just blows your mind that you didnt think of it before.
For now i need to get some work out of the capacitor. I am pretty sure that it would have no trouble recharging something like a discharged battery which has high impedance as long as i pulse it. I have a microcontroller development board now so doing so should be no problem. I would have had trouble doing so if the charged cap didnt jump to 200v instead of staying at 9v.
Also as well I think there should be no problem producing cold electricity using a high impedance load.
Anywhos wont get to excited till i get some more meters this afternoon.
Damian

[Dave Michael Rogers]

What Next

Damian,

You're right to want to see if you can do any work with what you are observing with your setup. That's what you should do next.

Regards
Dave

[Radiant_Science]

@Dmonarch

Your description is spot on
I have noticed similar behavior in my experiments. The BEMF spikes in pulsed inductor setups behaves this same way.
My own personal experiment with a tiny 9w ISOLATED neon sign transformer powered by a 555 astable (square wave) at resonance, could charge up my 300v 150000uf capacitor bank in seconds. This energy is very peculiar, I have witnessed these characteristics;

A dead short across the cap bank creates an incredible loud, bright and energetic burst

Common high resistance loads such as; 12w incandescent, Electrolysis of water, neon bulbs/gaseous bulbs in general, etc all operate as expected.

Inductive loads however, do not behave as expected...I have charged this 150000uf bank all the way up to 250v and attempted to discharge through various inductors, I witnessed a complete "nullification" of all energy stored. I witnessed no spark, measured no appreciable magnetic field...yet the capacitors were completely drained.



My hypothesis is that,

We are witnessing what I tried to explain as "Voltage without amperage"...which I was told was impossible.

Yet, it explains the overlooked aspect in many OU patents, the EARTH grounded connections. What certain researchers call "energy reservoir"...the earth is full of mobile electrons...aka, the "Dirac Sea". Also, large masses of various metals, gasses and semiconductors can act as electron sources as well.

Take any isolated high voltage transformer (5kv) and run it all by itself (either pulsed or AC), if you arc the secondary coil, you will see a thin purple arc, if you blow on it you will see multiple arcs...VERY thin "streamers", only a slight hissing sound, only danger is from pinhole burns if you leave it on your skin too long. It too will not do much in any inductor.


DANGER...could kill
Now, add a .1mf (any) H.V. capacitor across the output, in a simple experiment I ran, the frequency of the system didn't change much because I was running it at spec 120v @60hz for 5Kv output. HOWEVER, when shorted, it literally explodes in a bright flash of white light and a deafening sound.
It now produces strong EM fields in inductors and the shock could kill you.

What have we really changed?
Well, we allowed opposite charges to accumulate very close w/o arcing. The capacitor plates are always conductive (either pure metals with loose electron clouds, or easily ionized gasses or electrolytic fluid with loose ions), the pure "poynting flow" aka voltage, potentializes the electrons of the capacitor, in fact all metal in the circuit (wires, capacitors, etc).



We have to realize that electron flow is the RESULT of a little understood phenomena called Electricity, NOT THE CAUSE!

Researchers like Tom Beardon, Bedini, etc... refer to "Poynting Flow"...aka Voltage Potential. It is the true Cause...and behaves like a pressurized gas.

With the "Pressurized Gas" concept, one can see how it all works.

Imagine your High Voltage Low Amperage source as a high pressure compressor hose

Imagine the "electron reservoir" as a sealed tank of water. The High pressure is impressed on the water. Now, all the water is at the same pressure as the small stream of air.

We have just applied a "Potential" energy on a heavier item...therefore, gained inertial energy.


Anomalous energy spikes are witnessed in all mechanisms that use "Steep Gradients"...Pulsed energy, High/Low pressure turbines (vortexes), even the nuclear bomb is the result of a sharp gradient disrupting the resonant system of the nucleus.

We need to start creating systems that move electrons around within the load, and not transporting electrons from power source to load and back (electron movement is subject to friction, leading to lost energy as heat radiation)...only use enough electrons to create high electrostatic potentials...and apply the potentials very cleverly to willing electron donors.

[dmonarch]

Phenomenon

Yeah your definitly right dave. I need to reaarange some stuff to setup the micro controller and charge circuit which will hopfully get done today. Need to pick up another table as well

Hi Radiant Science i think your definitly correct on radiant electricity being one with out tradiational charge/electrons. Also once a capacitor is charged this way there is still pollarity if used in the traditional method. However it is possible to split the poles. You dont have to use them in a balance manner. By doing so you can create the cold electricity phenomenon easily.

I'm sorry for being so vague on the setup. I dont want to release it till i am absolutly sure it is doing what it is doing
Damian

[dmonarch]

Spontanious Charging of Caps

Ok guys just discovered a new relationship. The smaller farad the capacitor which is being charged the quicked charges and the larger farad the slower it charges. This is as normal.
For a 0.047 300v cap it charges to 200v basically instantly, while for a 1uf 16v cap it charges slowly as most observe with there radiant circuits, probably .5V per second, very slow.

Camian

[dmonarch]

Work

Well after a bit of fiddling yeah the charged capacitor can do work but not in the normal sense. For it to do work it requires a small amount of donated charge. Under such circumstances it produces what we would call back emf against the applied current which results in the current from the donating cap to drain more slowly. If applied in the opposite direction instead of going against the discharge it goes with it resulting in a quick discharge.
It seems to be exactly what bedini is creating in a coil however i am doing it with caps. The cool thing about it though is that i can charge as many caps as i want at the same time with the one cap. There feels like such a correlation between these effects and how we use transformers to stepup or down voltage.
I want some measurements though. Until i get them i will not be happy.
Damo

[Radiant_Science]

You are performing something patented a while back, that I can no longer find after my PC crash.

In the patent they called it "Current Duplication".
In essence a cascading bank of capacitors and pulsers copied the voltage over and over, to create a vast amount of "Duplicated Current".

The patent claimed to end nuclear power and be economically cheap (capacitors costing the most)

If anyone has seen this patent, remembers the patent number, or better yet, has the PDF...please post.

[dmonarch]

Sound Similar

Sounds Similar though i dont think i would have included the word current in the explanation, its quite the opposite.
I wonder if such a way of using electricity could be used in computers.
I would love to see the patent, sound interesting
Cheers
Damian

[dmonarch]

Measurement

Well i went to the local electronics store and purchased an analogue meter and a digital non auto calibrating meter with the result being neither of them registering anything.
My other meter which is a cheap digital auto calibrating meter still measures the voltage and when the capacitor which is charged in this fashion is utilized with a traditional charge source you definitly see that the capacitor has been altered in such a way as to either enhance the flow of current or inhibit it. So essentially it is allot like a transformer in it behaviour but still different enough to be of interest.
I think my next step is to map what is going on voltage and polarity wise. Once thats done I can see no reason why an OU unit could not easily be put together. I guess the advantage of the method i am using is that you get the option of storing the energy in a batery ala bedini or you can just store it in a bunch of capacitor essentially doing away with the problem that each household would require a large battery bank.
I would love to see little electric scooters zooming around.
Damian

[baroutologos]

@Dmonarch

I have noticed similar behavior in my experiments. The BEMF spikes in pulsed inductor setups behaves this same way.
My own personal experiment with a tiny 9w ISOLATED neon sign transformer powered by a 555 astable (square wave) at resonance, could charge up my 300v 150000uf capacitor bank in seconds. This energy is very peculiar, I have witnessed these characteristics...

This is sounds too Don Smith i suppose.
A cap-bank at 300 volts of 0.15 farads equals 6750 Joules of energy Mr Radiant Science. If your tiny 9 watts neons isolated transformer setup could do that in seconds, then you claim what Don Smith claims direclty... enormous energy output.

Can you elaborate?

Baroutologos

[boguslaw]

You have no results on inductors because you have probably only one part of normal electricity and for magnetic field both are required.
However you can recreate edwin gray experiments with popping magnet