The Steorn Motor

[Murlin]

Has anyone heard about this little motor?

The Steorn magnetic motor replication by JL Naudin

I do not know about the claims that it's inventor is making about overunity.

What interests me however is the fact that the motor will run on extremely low amperage.

I have done considerable research on magnetic motors and have found most if not all are repulsion motors and will degauss the magnets over time.

Would this be considered a repulsion motor as well? The inventor claims it is an attraction motor.

Any thoughts?

Murlin

[Reiyuki]

I did a rough replication with a 2n2222 and a reed relay driving a toroid transformer. It 'runs', in that when energized, the magnet loses a lot of force to the toroid.

It is interesting that there is almost no EMF on the toroid if spun by hand, but whether it requires less energy to sustain than is generated is yet to be seen.

If it is truely overunity of the scale that is claimed, all someone would need is a generator coil, a rectifier, reed relay and a capacitor to close the loop.

My skeptic hat is on, but I figure an ounce of experimentation is worth a pound of theory at this point.

[gyula]

Has anyone heard about this little motor?

The Steorn magnetic motor replication by JL Naudin

I do not know about the claims that it's inventor is making about overunity.

What interests me however is the fact that the motor will run on extremely low amperage.

I have done considerable research on magnetic motors and have found most if not all are repulsion motors and will degauss the magnets over time.

Would this be considered a repulsion motor as well? The inventor claims it is an attraction motor.

Any thoughts?

Murlin

Hi Murlin,

The Steorn motor they displayed in Dublin openly is claimed to be an attraction motor. Permanent magnets attract toroidal iron cores when they approch them and at the facing position the toroidal cores get excitation to saturate their cores so that the moving permanent magnets should be able to continue moving away my the momentum gained during the attraction. There is no repel action claimed and as claims to any overunity they say they would continue the demo in Dublin these coming weeks.

There have been several debates pro and con on magnets degaussing in repel mode and tests by member Honk at overunity.com indicated no degaussing for Neo magnets in the dynamic case, nor are in the static case.

Infos from magnet manufacturers also say that in repel mode the 'fluxlines' from one magnet do not even penetrate into the other magnet's body (they do not even approach the surface in most of the cases) hence no eddy current loss either. This latter may not be true in the attract mode when flux lines join together and the movement of them may even enter the surface, this already may cause eddy current and heat created by this may cause degaussing on the long run, especially for cheaper grade Neos with 80 degree Celsius ratings.

I would like to learn if you found degaussing in your own practice and if so what kind of setup was it?

thanks, Gyula

[Reiyuki]

I'm using Neodmiyum magnets and have not seen any degaussing. The overunity.com fellows are making good progress it would seem.

I wanted to prove a couple pieces to the theory:

1- The pulling force between magnet and toroid is less when the toroid is energized.
2- There is (effectively) no Back EMF to the toroid when the rotor is spun manually.

The remaining question is whether or not a toroidal coil is more efficient than a conventional one to the point of being overunity. If it is possible to do this experiment solid-state, it would certainly make things easier.


(overunity.com thread)
STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[tjnlsn255]

Polarity of magnets?

Is there any information on the polarity of the magnets and the direction of the windings on the toroid cores? Are the cores powder iron?

I noticed that there are two magnets passing each toroid at a time one intersecting the top of the core and the other intersecting the bottom of the core.... sort of like a JB window motor.... interesting....

I am still curious if anyone has the answer to why it costs some people more than others for the liscense.....

Has anyone invited the Steorn people to come into this forum?

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj

[patmac]

Bedini has built motors many years ago some 30 years ago and this motors doesn't seem be degaussing their magnets..

Really I think permanent magnet loose his strength like in conventional DC motors because the motor create so much heat.... Neo magnets are destroyed easily only on 80 C. Ceramics magnets on 250C.... But obviusly if the magnets is exposed to certain temperature like 50C for example this magnets goes loosing his magnetic field gradually.

If you look magnet motors like Window Motor or Big Newman Machine you can see how these motors runs by many years without loose their magnets or mass in proportions perceptibles or measurables.

[nilrehob]

Hi,

I've made one first working hip-shot-like motor, not very efficient, but the rotor spins.
Got plans for improvements.

BTW, there is another thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...orns-orbo.html

/Hob

[gmeat]

Hi Everyone,


For those interested Steorn's live stream is up and running .


Steorn - Convenient, Clean and Constant supply of Energy



-Gary

[Murlin]

Forgot to use search

My apologies for not using the search. I would have just added to that thread.

On the subject of degauss. Perhaps that is the wrong term to use. I should have said that my research suggests that repulsion motors cause the magnets to loose strength due to misalignment of the regions inside the magnet itself.

I have not done any experiments on this myself, just doing a lot of reading. But the research I have done suggests that magnets are made up of polarized regions.
The constant pounding of the repulsion force causes the the regions to become misaligned, therefore the magnets loose strength over time. Neo, ceramic, or otherwise it makes no difference.

I first became interested in the Howard Johnson motor. He stated in an interview that he was not concerned about the magnets loosing strength. That was an issue for the engineers. So he knew his magnets were being weakened. (although he didn't have Neo's to work I am guessing)

However, an attraction motor would be different. The forces would be constantly pulling on the regions and would not be so easy to move out of alignment.

If this motor was indeed an attraction motor, I thought I might try to replicate my own version of it.

The Orbo site had a PDF of the breakdown of the Dublin motor. I could not find it last night when I went to watch the video again. Either they took it down or I am just overlooking it. Luckily I already downloaded it.

regards,
Murlin

[ren]

IMO guys this is a spin off of Bedinis work, poorly done at that. There appears to be no recovery of the input power, that's why they measure heat coming off the coils! If one bothers to research Bedini extensively you will realize he showed all of this stuff years ago, like 20yrs ago some of it.

JB just posted a video of a very simple "A" field motor doing 1000's of rpm on next to zero current at low voltage. Watch it and you will see the truth of the matter.

[Reiyuki]

I respect Bedini, but the man's had 20 years to deliver on his designs, suppression or not. If he is truly the champion of free energy to say Steorn is a fraud, he needs to be putting up webcams, schematics, and 3d models of something that actually generates more power than it consumes.

The fact that Steorn's demonstrating a motor drive with bedini-like efficiencies while still wasting significant amounts on the coils makes it interesting. We haven't seen many pulse motors around that use toroidal magnets, makes it a new frontier for us tinkerers.

Sure, there's good odds he's a fraud, but at least it's pushing the OU community in new and interesting directions.

[Aaron]

over 1.0 cop

he needs to be putting up webcams, schematics, and 3d models of something that actually generates more power than it consumes.

Again, this argument keeps coming up.

People that criticize these things have no idea how to even recognize
over 1.0 COP even if it was sitting in front of them.

Generate more power than it consumes TOTAL OR generate more power than what the operator had to put in not counting what was free from
environmental input?

Does any skeptic even know what the difference
is? No, because if they do, they wouldn't be skeptical.

Read http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...le-energy.html

[Reiyuki]

Aaron:

Sorry, I must have phrased that wrong.

My point was that if there is an end-all solution to the worlds energy problems, the technology doesn't do any good hiding in someone's basement or a government lab somewhere.


I follow your posts and appreciate all the work and theory you put into this big endeavor. The community is better informed because of it. Thanks.

[sebosfato]

This is not a joke

The fact is that conservation law is right it specify the condition (closed system)! it holds only with mechanics and basic electronics, when chemistry interact with physics (not closed system) there are other laws that rule like Gibs law and others. Who created the conservations law knew you can harvest energy from outside and put in a circuit thats why they specified like this. The problem with the ou is created by the ignorance that one that went to university and had its brain reprogramed, believe to know more than the others and just don't want to know anything else in a chain reaction added with loads of intolerance, we have a world of stupid scientific community so stupid that can even accept a change. This is a consequence of the stupid society we are living. and the past based in stupidity society history. WE CAN CHANGE IT! WE CAN STOP WARS! WE CAN MAKE BASIC FOOD AND ENERGY FREE TO ALL!!! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? YOU DON'T BELIEVE?

VISIT http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eyer-true.html TO KNOW HOW TO HELP!!!

[Aaron]

apply what we ALREADY know

Reiyuki,

I apologize if I misunderstood what you said.

But there are a lot of things that are very powerful solutions,
but hardly anyone is applying what we do know and understand.

For example, it is possible to use very high efficiency wood stoves
for cooking. We get heat to cook food. And the wood that was the
fuel was burned in a low oxygen environment so that it created a lot
of charred wood instead of ash.

The bio-char can be added back to the soil to increase the amount of
food grown in the same square footage for more nutrition, which will
create more biomass and more food, etc...

If we really do apply what we already know, there won't be many
problems.

If everyone kept the garbage out of their food like high fructose corn
syrup, food colorings, refined sugar, etc... many health problems will
disappear and so will a lot of expenses that are paid to fix the problems
created by such things.

Anyway, I'm not disputing anything you said directly, and I may have
misunderstood, but applying what we do know goes a long way and a lot
of solutions we're trying to come up with - actually are already solved.