The Steorn Motor

[Murlin]

If everyone kept the garbage out of their food like high fructose corn
syrup, food colorings, refined sugar, etc... many health problems will
disappear and so will a lot of expenses that are paid to fix the problems
created by such things.

+1 to that....

High fructose corn syrup is the bane of mankind...

IMO guys this is a spin off of Bedini's work, poorly done at that. There appears to be no recovery of the input power, that's why they measure heat coming off the coils! If one bothers to research Bedini extensively you will realize he showed all of this stuff years ago, like 20yrs ago some of it.

Most of his motors spun @ 1000's of RPM don't they? I was under the impression that slight pressure by ones finger on the shaft could bring one to a screeching halt.


Some of the repulsion motors I have seen create tremendous torque. They seem to be quite efficient, but eat magnets for breakfast.

They are different from the Bedini motors and generators.

Although the large generator on the high shelf in one of his videos looks quite intreging...rumor has it that he could run his house on one.

Would the heat generated by the Steorn motor be a trade off for torque?

He claims to only need .4 amps. I am thinking the motor's RPM would be controllable by the torrid configuration and the firing sequence. Perhaps the energy lost would be a good tradeoff for control as well...

Yes? No?

regards
Murlin

[Karl_Palsness]

Steorn Motor looks like a twist on Bedini Idea

Happy New Year to you all.

I spent several hours looking into this Steorn Motor this weekend. It is a clever idea and JL Naudin had done a fantastic job as usual on it again. I did several of the tests as JL Naudin shoes and found that the coil is acting almost identical to Bedini coils. So if you have a Bedini motor then you can simply modify it to run as a Steorn Motor. From what I see it is just a different version of the same idea. I don't see the ability to capture the energy as Bedini does but then I only saw JL Naudin circuit. You could simply use the Bedini type energy recovery on this. I don't see what all the fuss is about with this Steorn idea. The Bedini system looks to me to be a better system than this...but I might be missing something! That often happens! LOL But that is my impression at the moment.

Happy New Year to you all,

Karl

[gmeat]

IMO guys this is a spin off of Bedinis work, poorly done at that. There appears to be no recovery of the input power, that's why they measure heat coming off the coils! If one bothers to research Bedini extensively you will realize he showed all of this stuff years ago, like 20yrs ago some of it.

JB just posted a video of a very simple "A" field motor doing 1000's of rpm on next to zero current at low voltage. Watch it and you will see the truth of the matter.

Hi Ren,


I'm curious to know which motor you are refering to in regards to JB's A field motor?.Do you have a link to it?.Thx



-Gary

[ren]

Hi Gary,

"A" Field is in reference to the style of magnetic coupling between rotor and stator. The window motor falls into this category (along with the orbo) by not driving the rotor with a direct pole to pole relationship, as done traditionally. Sometimes you can look at it not so much as forcing the pole to repulse but more like allowing it to pass, or realigning/regauging it. Perhaps someone else could explain it better that that.

Have a look at my youtube favorites. You will see a recent favorite that has a traditional solenoid core lying flat, like someone tipped it over under the rotor.
This is another example of the A field style driving design.

Regards

[Murlin]

Happy New Year to you all.

I spent several hours looking into this Steorn Motor this weekend. It is a clever idea and JL Naudin had done a fantastic job as usual on it again. I did several of the tests as JL Naudin shoes and found that the coil is acting almost identical to Bedini coils. So if you have a Bedini motor then you can simply modify it to run as a Steorn Motor. From what I see it is just a different version of the same idea. I don't see the ability to capture the energy as Bedini does but then I only saw JL Naudin circuit. You could simply use the Bedini type energy recovery on this. I don't see what all the fuss is about with this Steorn idea. The Bedini system looks to me to be a better system than this...but I might be missing something! That often happens! LOL But that is my impression at the moment.

Happy New Year to you all,

Karl

On the pdf I downloaded from the orbo site, there were more coils and magnets around the top side of the shaft. This is what interested me. Being unfamiliar with first hand knowledge of these types of motors, it looked like an attempt to capture energy from a PM genny on the same shaft. the video of the motor with the 2 wheels shows this but the generator is not functioning in the first set of videos we have seen so far.

I am not sure if the motor in Dublin had the genny working or not. But if it did, it would explain the overunity claims.

I do not think that the Bedini type A could push a generator on the same shaft. It uses its speed to capture the radiant spike, and any drag on the shaft at all would stop th motor.

The Steorn motor looks to me like it is used in a more conventional way to produce power.

But I could be wrong about this and someone please correct me if my observations are incorrect.

regards,
Murlin

[nilrehob]

Hi all,

I thought Naudin was on the right track,
but Steorns says he isn't,
read the comments:
JLN Labs replicates Steorn's free energy motor

/Hob

[Murlin]

Steorn pdf

I have had requests for the pdf I downloaded from the steorn site.

On the drawing you can see what they refer to as pick up coils on the top of the motor. I thought the motor was being driven by a Hall sensor but this drawing has a reed switch in the parts list. I didn't think you needed any firing coils for a reed switch or a Hall sensor... But I have never built a schoolgirl or any other kind of pulse motor before.


Could someone tell me if these coils are used for firing or are they trying to make a PM alternator. It doesn't look like a very good arrangement of the coils and mags if it is an alternator.

regards,
Murlin

[gmeat]

I have had requests for the pdf I downloaded from the steorn site.

On the drawing you can see what they refer to as pick up coils on the top of the motor. I thought the motor was being driven by a Hall sensor but this drawing has a reed switch in the parts list. I didn't think you needed any firing coils for a reed switch or a Hall sensor... But I have never built a schoolgirl or any other kind of pulse motor before.


Could someone tell me if these coils are used for firing or are they trying to make a PM alternator. It doesn't look like a very good arrangement of the coils and mags if it is an alternator.

regards,
Murlin

Hi Murlin,


I think that steorn uses those top magnets as a generator but I might be wrong and If you watched the first demo movie he pointed out that it ran with the use of an opto sensor switch which is not shown in the pdf that you posted.

p.s. Now that I think about it they could be using the reed switch to extract energy for a split second off of the geneator coils when they REACH A CERTAIN POSITION and sending it somewhere else.Which is an interesting thought.Hmmm .The orbo is beginning to make sense to me.Thx Merlin .


-Gary

[gmeat]

It doesn't look like a very good arrangement of the coils and mags if it is an alternator.

regards,
Murlin[/quote]



Your right, It does'nt look like a very good arrangement of the coils,It's the perfect arrangement of the coils .



-Gary

[Murlin]

better alternator

It doesn't look like a very good arrangement of the coils and mags if it is an alternator.

regards,
Murlin

Your right, It doesn't look like a very good arrangement of the coils,It's the perfect arrangement of the coils .

Wouldn't a 3-phase alternator up top produce several times more power with less cogging and generating resonance vibration?
Like the ones they use over at Otherpower.com in their windmills?

It might add the flywheel effect with the weight of the magnets on the shaft or perhaps we should say rotor and add some kinetics energy in there somewhere...


regards,

Murlin

[gmeat]

Hi Murlin,


I think that steorn uses those top magnets as a generator but I might be wrong and If you watched the first demo movie he pointed out that it ran with the use of an opto sensor switch which is not shown in the pdf that you posted.

p.s. Now that I think about it they could be using the reed switch to extract energy for a split second off of the geneator coils when they REACH A CERTAIN POSITION and sending it somewhere else.Which is an interesting thought.Hmmm .The orbo is beginning to make sense to me.Thx Merlin .


-Gary

Hi Merlin,


I think your missing the point that i'm trying to make about the ORBO.


-Gary

[Murlin]

Hi Merlin,


I think your missing the point that i'm trying to make about the ORBO.


-Gary

Ditto: No worries though...it's all good

Regards,

Murlin

[gmeat]

Ditto: No worries though...it's all good

Regards,

Murlin

Did you just have an ah ha moment lol .I only wish that I was'nt currently so deep into building a knockoff of Peter L's attraction motor at the present time or I would be experimenting with building an ORBO .


-Gary

[Michelinho]

Steorn says they are not looking at the right picture.

Hi all,

I, like a few, watched at the Steorn demo and decided to give it a go.

BUT:

A few questions about what Steorn said: JLN and many others are not replicating Steorn effect. That is a lot said in few words. What have the replicators miss?

How many replications have been made with the tandem of magnets pattern on their rotor. What if the magnets are all placed in North/top South/bottom (or reverse) rows. I don't see why they would be all both North or South. A North/South alternating tandems is out of the question as it would only complicate the controller.

So what does a tandem of magnets have over a single magnet. First possibility, you always hit the toroid on top with North (or South) and the bottom part with a South (or North). Another one is that it cuts down the magnetic flux dispersion pattern while still showing a strong attraction to the ferrite. Or those toroids are firing their vortexes right at the heart of the magnetic flow of the tandems. Or the distance between the toroid and the tandem is crucial, at the right distance, it will take very little energy to make the tandem magnetic circuit to reconnect releasing the toroid.Or all of the above.

As for the generator part, I plan to do it like in the demo, twisted strands of magnet wire a la John Bedini in an air core configuration. Ferrite behind the coil to raise the output of the air core without causing too much drag. One can also place behind those coils a copper shield or wind it like the Romag.

My Orbo replication rotor is done, it is 8" in diam and will house 6 or 8 sets of 3/4" X 3/4" N48 cylindrical magnets ( I have 8 toroidal ferrite cores of the right size) and weights about 3 lbs. I will borrow my friend's Gauss meter for the distance between magnets in the tandems and a few other measurements.

That's all for now, at least until the next Steorn video.

Take care all,

Michel

[tjnlsn255]

I think the two magnet setup and toroid coil may also be using the effect of the created magnetic field between the two magnets that is aligned with the center of the toroid.... just a thought.....

Does Steorn want people replicating there motor? I do not think so....

Unless of course you spend the money to join the club.....

They have not provided any details yet that give us enough information to do a "true" replication...

Such things as size of the magnets, size of the toroids, what is the core material, how are they wound and with what size wire(s)..etc....

What does the hall sensor trigger?

Also the BIG part is the schematic showing what exactly they are doing to feed the pickup voltage back to the source battery.... (timing)

I would be happy to replicate but I want to do an exact replication not a guess.... then we can really compare apples and apples.....

Am I missing something, if so please enlighten me.....

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj