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cop and overunity
Unzapped,
If there is 5 parts of input from an operator and 95 parts input from the
environment, that is 100 parts input. If that system output 101 parts or
more, that is overunity because there is more going out than TOTAL input.
Overunity is obviously over 1.0 cop plus over 100% efficient. it is
101% efficient. An impossibility unless time is flowing backwards and people
with real free energy machines understand that their machines are not
overunity, they understand they are only over 1.0 cop.
If there is 5 parts input from an operator and 95 parts input from the
environment, that is 100 parts input. It that system output 10 parts of
energy, it is underunity. But it is cop 2.0 because there is 10 parts out
compared to 5 parts we had to contribute. We do NOT include environmental input. It is cop 2.0 because output 10 divided by input
we had to pay for is 5 so that is 2.0. There is 100 parts in and 10 parts
out so the efficiency is 10% efficient...not very efficient at all but
still over 1.0 cop so efficiency and cop is not the same thing.
Your definition of overunity simply stating more out than what it takes
to run it does not make a distinction between different forms of input...
our input and free input from the environment and is incomplete.
You say assuming a refrigerator is over 1.0 cop according to me but do
you not think so? Geothermal heat pumps can easily be 6,7,8.0 cop
because they output that many times more heat than the electricity
that is required to run the system. They are true free energy machines
that take free heat from the environment. Those high cop's are only
available outside of the US. In the US, they're about the same or not
much better than refrigerator cop's.
You can see on this govt website,
FEMP Energy-Efficient Products: How to Buy an Energy-Efficient Ground Source Heat Pump
that they consider an efficient heat pump 3.3 or 3.6 COP or more.
Very sorry standards by any means but completely expected by our
govt energy standards.
The cop defined on the site is:
COP is the heating capacity (in Btu) of the unit divided by its electrical input (also in Btu)
As I indicated, cop does NOT include free environmental input from the
environment... ONLY what we put in (electricity) and divide the output
by that and that is over 1.0 COP but NOT overunity. There is a difference.
Please don't be confused by their mention of open or closed loop systems.
That is not the same as we're talking about, that is usually about closed
fluid loops or open loops like in solar heating systems.
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You mention bouncing bouncing bouncing and then you ask how far would
it fall if the ground wasn't there?
If there was no ground there would be no mass below the ball to displace
the aether in order for the ball to bounce down to begin with so there
would be no gravity if the ground wasn't there and the ball wouldn't be
"falling" towards a ground that doesn't exist.
Putting a sterling engine to catch heat on a refrigerator and pump that
electricity back is a pseudo closed loop. The heat is not locked to the
electrical input meaning it is detached and independent from the electrical
input. If you took the heat and put it to electricity back to the front,
the entire system is still and open system that is open to environmental
heat...again, pseudo closed loop.. that is the difference.
Taking the spikes from a coil and putting it right back to the front of
itself is closing the loop but kills the front side potential by forcing it to
short itself...that is a real closed loop and doesn't work. But if you
took the spikes, charged a cap, disconnected the front side power and
then dumped the cap to the front, reconnected the front side power,
that is a pseudo closed loop and that is the only way to take output
of a machine and put it back to the front without killing it. Pseudo closed
loop.
Anyway, those sterlings are probably 10-15% efficient if even
that so you won't get much. BUT, seeing that all the heat out the
back of a fridge is wasted and if you convert any at all back to electricity
to put to the front, then whatever the cop is, you just increased it by
probably a very small fraction.
Unzapped,
If there is 5 parts of input from an operator and 95 parts input from the
environment, that is 100 parts input. If that system output 101 parts or
more, that is overunity because there is more going out than TOTAL input.
Overunity is obviously over 1.0 cop plus over 100% efficient. it is
101% efficient. An impossibility unless time is flowing backwards and people
with real free energy machines understand that their machines are not
overunity, they understand they are only over 1.0 cop.
If there is 5 parts input from an operator and 95 parts input from the
environment, that is 100 parts input. It that system output 10 parts of
energy, it is underunity. But it is cop 2.0 because there is 10 parts out
compared to 5 parts we had to contribute. We do NOT include environmental input. It is cop 2.0 because output 10 divided by input
we had to pay for is 5 so that is 2.0. There is 100 parts in and 10 parts
out so the efficiency is 10% efficient...not very efficient at all but
still over 1.0 cop so efficiency and cop is not the same thing.
Your definition of overunity simply stating more out than what it takes
to run it does not make a distinction between different forms of input...
our input and free input from the environment and is incomplete.
You say assuming a refrigerator is over 1.0 cop according to me but do
you not think so? Geothermal heat pumps can easily be 6,7,8.0 cop
because they output that many times more heat than the electricity
that is required to run the system. They are true free energy machines
that take free heat from the environment. Those high cop's are only
available outside of the US. In the US, they're about the same or not
much better than refrigerator cop's.
You can see on this govt website,
FEMP Energy-Efficient Products: How to Buy an Energy-Efficient Ground Source Heat Pump
that they consider an efficient heat pump 3.3 or 3.6 COP or more.
Very sorry standards by any means but completely expected by our
govt energy standards.
The cop defined on the site is:
COP is the heating capacity (in Btu) of the unit divided by its electrical input (also in Btu)
As I indicated, cop does NOT include free environmental input from the
environment... ONLY what we put in (electricity) and divide the output
by that and that is over 1.0 COP but NOT overunity. There is a difference.
Please don't be confused by their mention of open or closed loop systems.
That is not the same as we're talking about, that is usually about closed
fluid loops or open loops like in solar heating systems.
----------------
You mention bouncing bouncing bouncing and then you ask how far would
it fall if the ground wasn't there?
If there was no ground there would be no mass below the ball to displace
the aether in order for the ball to bounce down to begin with so there
would be no gravity if the ground wasn't there and the ball wouldn't be
"falling" towards a ground that doesn't exist.
Putting a sterling engine to catch heat on a refrigerator and pump that
electricity back is a pseudo closed loop. The heat is not locked to the
electrical input meaning it is detached and independent from the electrical
input. If you took the heat and put it to electricity back to the front,
the entire system is still and open system that is open to environmental
heat...again, pseudo closed loop.. that is the difference.
Taking the spikes from a coil and putting it right back to the front of
itself is closing the loop but kills the front side potential by forcing it to
short itself...that is a real closed loop and doesn't work. But if you
took the spikes, charged a cap, disconnected the front side power and
then dumped the cap to the front, reconnected the front side power,
that is a pseudo closed loop and that is the only way to take output
of a machine and put it back to the front without killing it. Pseudo closed
loop.
Anyway, those sterlings are probably 10-15% efficient if even
that so you won't get much. BUT, seeing that all the heat out the
back of a fridge is wasted and if you convert any at all back to electricity
to put to the front, then whatever the cop is, you just increased it by
probably a very small fraction.
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