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**GadgetmanPrime** · 08-03-2011, 02:54 PM

Update on The Gadgetman Groove

Since June of 2009 when I launched Gadgetman Technologies, I have learned a LOT about what a little groove can do, as well as how to improve how the engines respond.

Now, we are having about a 95% success rate on increasing mileage, with 100% of engines running better. More power, reduced emissions, improved throttle response, and smoother running engines happens routinely.

I know this sounds like an ad, but it is really true.

I encourage you all to visit the YouTube and see what's happening on vehicles. If you like what you see, and would like to experiment with The Gadgetman Groove, I have a special license for you. Just ask.

Anyway, I appreciate the opportunity to serve you all.

Ron Hatton
Developer of The Gadgetman Groove
Reduce Emissions with the Gadgetman Groove

**Joit** · 08-03-2011, 07:56 PM

Well i know at last, your Posts are not typical Advertises, Gadgetman,
I saw your Presentation on the Smartscarecrow Show, and that there is Experimenting behind your Work. Spread it!

**sucahyo** · 08-04-2011, 06:46 AM

Glad to hear from you GadgetmanPrime

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**Roland** · 08-05-2011, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by Joit View Post

Well i know at last, your Posts are not typical Advertises, Gadgetman,
I saw your Presentation on the Smartscarecrow Show, and that there is Experimenting behind your Work. Spread it!

That's where i first heard of this. I took Ron up on his offer that night on that Smartscarecrow show. I'm getting a conservative 20% gain in mpg in mixed driving. i notice that hwy driving seems to get even better gains in the 30% range.

The beauty is no maintenance, no moving parts to break, no EFIE's to adjust. Just groove it and drive. I can't help but think that after repairing my knock sensor, and then mod the pcv like he suggests it will do even better.

**GadgetmanPrime** · 01-03-2012, 05:15 PM

The Gadgetman Groove now available for experimenters

Well, it's been over 2-1/2 years now and more than a thousand engines have received the mod. Hundreds of independent results have been reported (just Google "Gadgetman Groove" and see what they're reporting) and we now have The Groove in 17 coutries (I THINK!).

In order to accelerate the level at which the technology is used, and reported on, I have released it through what I call the Personal License Program. Initially this is showing tremendous success with the average tinkerer.

If you haven't been to my site (Reduce Emissions with the Gadgetman Groove) then stop in and look for the Groovy Forums. This is where I want all reports to go, and is exactly, 100% as it happens. Check in with the guys there and give them the opportunity to share their results. That way, you get it straight from those who are using the tech.

I want you all to have The Truth.

Go get it!

Ron Hatton
Gadgetman

**RAMSET** · 01-03-2012, 07:10 PM

Ron
Quote:
I have released it through what I call the Personal License Program.
----------------
Sir ,Can you elaborate on this??

In Lieu of Patenting
Is this a model we can Copy for Open Source , To prevent an Idea from being patented away from Us??

Your responce will Be greatly appreciated!!

ChetKremens@gmail.com

**dutchdivco** · 01-03-2012, 08:56 PM

How is this

signigicantly DIFFERENT from "Singhman" (I think it is) groove. He did 1000's of cars, first in his India, and then thru a website, around the world. Due to 'previous art' yours would have to be significantly, materially different, right? Just askin,... Jim

**Aaron** · 01-03-2012, 10:37 PM

Singh & Hatton

Jim,

Found this: Directory:Singh Combustion Chamber Turbulence - PESWiki

I saw that before but couldn't remember how to spell his last name.

The Gadgetman Groove patent application is:

Patent US20100313848 - THROTTLE BODY AND A METHOD TO MODIFY ... - Google Patents

http://www.google.com/patents/US20100313848.pdf
THROTTLE BODY AND A METHOD TO MODIFY A THROTTLE BODY

Ronald E. Hatton

Application number: 12/817,158
Publication number: US 2010/0313848 A1
Filing date: Jun 16, 2010

**Aaron** · 01-03-2012, 10:45 PM

Singh's grooves

Singh's are grooves in the combustion chamber itself while Ron Hatton's is a groove situated around the perimeter of the throttle plate in the throttle body.

Here is info on Singh's from Peswiki plus a how to explanation by Singh on how to do it yourself Design To Improve Turbulence In Combustion Chambers

Patent Excerpt

BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWING

These and further features of the present invention will be better understood by reading the following Detailed Description together with the Drawing.

FIG. 1 is a plan view of a two stroke combustion chamber layouts with grooves 1, channels 2 and passages 3;

FIG. 2 is an elevational cross section layout of two stroke combustion chamber with grooves, channels, passages and piston;

FIG. 3 is a plan view of a four stroke combustion chamber layout with channels 2 and passages 3; and

FIG. 4 is a plan view of a close up layout of grooves 1, channels 2 and passages 3 in the squish band.

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How do I cut a Groove?

Taken from SOMENDER-SINGH.com
Written by Somender Singh

Many people want to know how they can cut their own groove. Here are a few steps to the process.

1. Chose a engine design that has some form of squish or quench. Consider both the piston top and combustion chamber when deciding.
(e.g. dish pistons reduce the squish percentage considerably.)

2. Run a base line test with regular pump gas and production compression ratio, normally near 8.5 to 9:1?

3. Remove the heads and raise the compression ratio up to 10:1, milling the heads is the preferred method.

4. Cut one groove in each combustion chamber like the one in the pictures. So far the straight channel seems to work the best.
(if using a SBC, the grooves will measure near 1 cc volume)

5. Ensure a 0.070" piston to head clearance is maintained, measured at engine assembly. Most hot rodders are tempted to raise the compression by reducing the piston to head clearance down to 0.040" or less, resist the temptation.

6. Bolt the heads back on, leave the tune up alone, measure and report the improvements. Check and correct the tune up as needed and put it in a car (dyno's aren't much fun). You won't be dissatisfied.

**RAMSET** · 01-04-2012, 01:00 PM

Patent Laws

Gentlemen
It would seem you fellows here would be well versed in patent laws?

How do we release an idea open source with out a patent??
How would Mr.X [the inventor]

Not be sued a few weeks later [after Open sourcing ]By Mr.Y who saw his open source release and ran to the patent office!

Assuming Mr.Y figured out a way to get a patent on perpetual motion!
and it wasn't seized and so forth and so on......

How ??

Thx
Chet

**Cloxxki** · 01-04-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by RAMSET View Post

Gentlemen
It would seem you fellows here would be well versed in patent laws?

How do we release an idea open source with out a patent??
How would Mr.X [the inventor]

Not be sued a few weeks later [after Open sourcing ]By Mr.Y who saw his open source release and ran to the patent office!

Assuming Mr.Y figured out a way to get a patent on perpetual motion!
and it wasn't seized and so forth and so on......

How ??

Thx
Chet

Although that doesn't make me an expert per se, I did invent and write on some granted patents, and before that time, worked as contractor for the European Patent Organization.

Once an idea is "out there", no-one can patent it anymore. Not even the inventor in most cases.

If you see someone attempting to patent a pre-existing technology (state of the art), even if it was not patented, merely informing the patent office will suffice to have them dismiss it.
It helps that when you open source, you make a lot of fuzz about it, so the patent office will find it when they search for it. When something is offered for patenting, they'll go search if it doesn't already exist. Both in their own databses, and all the sources available to them.

In theory, every brain fart on this forum, will become state of the art, and is searchable by patent offices. If I write "Hexagonal tire for added traction", that's the end of someone's plan to go and patent it. The idea is now open source. Without copywriting on it, you're welcome to go and product hexagonal (that a word?) tire and make millions off my idea. It's open source, the inventor wants the tech to be spread.

Hope that helps,

J

PS. Specifically aligned grooves are well know to reduce friction. Applying them to a new part, may not always be patentable.
Let's say sticking a fork in something increases some sort of preferred effect. Just finding a million things to stick a fork in, each time for the same effect, doesn't give you a million patents to file.

**Aaron** · 02-08-2012, 11:08 PM

Ron Hatton at Bedini-Lindemann 2012 Conference

Here is a direct link to Ron Hatton's (inventor of the Gadgetman Groove) presentation at the upcoming conference. All the rest of the details are on this page.

http://www.energeticforum.com/conference/#ron

**GadgetmanPrime** · 05-01-2012, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by RAMSET View Post

Ron
Quote:
I have released it through what I call the Personal License Program.
----------------
Sir ,Can you elaborate on this??

In Lieu of Patenting
Is this a model we can Copy for Open Source , To prevent an Idea from being patented away from Us??

Your responce will Be greatly appreciated!!

ChetKremens@gmail.com

I spend most of my time now on the road with The Gadgetman Groove (GrooveTour2012 - YouTube) so have little energy to spend on the forums, so please accept my apologies for my absence.

For the full scoop on The Personal License Program, you can check out the details at the Personal License Page.

Basically, it is an opportunity for those who want to experiment with the tech on their own engines to 1) See if it works; 2) Prove to themselves they can do it; and 3) Turn it into a business. Not only that, but to do this for the price of a single modification.

As of this date, we have had more than 130 people sign up. Those who are following some simple suggestions are finding themselves surprised at how well it works. Many are already out there, changing the planet in their own neighborhoods and earnign some extra cash in the process.

Check it out and let me know what you think!

Until we meet, KEEP EXPERIMENTING!!!!

Ron Hatton
Gadgetman

**GadgetmanPrime** · 05-01-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Cloxxki View Post

Although that doesn't make me an expert per se, I did invent and write on some granted patents, and before that time, worked as contractor for the European Patent Organization.

Once an idea is "out there", no-one can patent it anymore. Not even the inventor in most cases.

(redacted)

PS. Specifically aligned grooves are well know to reduce friction. Applying them to a new part, may not always be patentable.
Let's say sticking a fork in something increases some sort of preferred effect. Just finding a million things to stick a fork in, each time for the same effect, doesn't give you a million patents to file.

First, in the American way, an inventor has one year from the date of first "sale" of the technology to apply. After that, it is considered fair game.

As to the "specifically aligned grooves" well, as far as that goes, it is correct. That being said, if the groove is not JUST a groove, and performs special function(s), then it is imminently patentable, provided you can demonstrate the unique effects under given conditions. That's how The Gadgetman Groove is patentable. It is more than "just a groove".

In my humble opinion, it is the ONLY Groove!

Anyway, thanks for all your input!

Ron

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