Theses on magnet on fuel line experiment

[Aaron]

Magnetizer

Not according to my experience. But you must be able to change fuel mixture ratio.

Magnet will not boost your car power in an instant if your car had fuel management system. Everyone promoting otherwise is a fraud.

Actually, magnets being used correctly on fuel lines on electronic fuel
injected cars WILL give benefits. There is a measurable difference in
fuel mileage, etc... There absolutely is benefits to doing this with
computer controlled cars but part of the benefit is sabotaged by the
o2 sensor / fuel computer relationship.

However, to get ALL the benefit, it is necessary to use an EFIE type
circuit, which takes the voltage from the oxygen sensor and drops
that voltage and sends the lower voltage to the fuel computer so the
computer does not richen it back up. This is very well known.

This gasoline booster has worked for years on electronic fuel injected
cars but in my opinion, more benefits would be realized with the EFIE
circuit used at the same time. Magnetizer

[powerme]

atomize water

why not use proven atomize water injection, you can buy ready made kits online. there's tons of testimonials from people that are using it.

and you can also add ZnO crystals to generate HHO which can also run your car on water.

[Bandboy]

That is your choice then. But it would be nice if you can provide link, it is hard to believe if it is only with word. Especially when real friends report postive results. And I hope you post link that mention testing procedure not just word from Phd or "experts".

The link I provide above can be verified to the dean at that university. I know one of their student use magnet to increase advantage on street race.

But, I don't promote magnet to my friends or relative anymore. It work but weak.

Now I am promoting female orgone device. Cemenite is one of them, I consider negative ionizer and copper air vortex too, Joe Cell is a much stronger one although harder to tame.

MSU profs debunk gas savers — Minnesota State University, Mankato (MSU) – 2006-04-09
FTC Halts Bogus Claims For “Fuel Saving” Device
Looking For A Miracle: We Test Automotive 'Fuel Savers' - Popular Mechanics
"Gas-Saving" Products: Fact or Fuelishness?

[sucahyo]

why not use proven atomize water injection, you can buy ready made kits online. there's tons of testimonials from people that are using it.

and you can also add ZnO crystals to generate HHO which can also run your car on water.

Same problem with magnet. You would not get much gain if you have no way to change fuel mixture ratio. Some even make mileage worse.

I think people who report gain must had piggybank system or apply it on carburator car.

There absolutely is benefits to doing this with computer controlled cars but part of the benefit is sabotaged by the o2 sensor / fuel computer relationship.

Yes, that is what I mean.

MSU profs debunk gas savers — Minnesota State University, Mankato (MSU) – 2006-04-09
FTC Halts Bogus Claims For “Fuel Saving” Device
Looking For A Miracle: We Test Automotive 'Fuel Savers' - Popular Mechanics
"Gas-Saving" Products: Fact or Fuelishness?

Thanks for the link.


But, see what I mean?

We gassed up the trucks, installed our gas-savers and repeated the tests.

Just like I thought. They are testing it without modifying the car fuel mixture ratio!

And of course a device that increase fuel mixture will result to this:

THE DYNO SAYS: With the AquaTune adjusted according to the instructions, the test truck gave us 20 fewer horsepower and about a 20 percent poorer fuel economy.

They are not experts!

Car should have correct fuel mixture ratio. Changing it wil result in less power. Fuel enhancing device is basically enriching fuel mixture. Vehicle that already has rich fuel mixture will actually reduce power with fuel enhancing device installed. We have to lean the mixture. And the manufacture make this a lot tougher on modern car!


It is easy to replicate it with carburator car. Make the car has very rich fuel mixture. Then show it to the press, dyno, or "experts". It is guaranteed that any fuel enhancement device will fail. But they have to be carefull with the one that actually lean up the fuel mixture though .


Sorry, no, the link show poor attempt to seriously add power to the car. And Any site that advertise instant gain without fuel mixture modification do deserve to go to jail.

Looking from credibility point of view (mnsu link), some member here do reported gain with different spark plug. I do get benefit from using special spark plug, I can drive with higher gear at low rpm! Different oil do make a difference on mileage! Not to mention durability. mnsu Phd either not real experts or paid experts to mislead people.


In here if people want to use different gasoline octane, well, most of them want cheaper 86 octane..., they have to modify the fuel management system. If fuel management system is that dumb, then using any sort of fuel enhancement system to "modern" car is useless without cheating the fuel management system.

[powerme]

ok sucahyo, if you say so.

i have one running but dont want to go through the hassle and inconveniences of Free Energy.

Did you know that ZnO nano crystals is being utilized in self powered devices?.

Good luck with all.

[sucahyo]

ok sucahyo, if you say so.

i have one running but dont want to go through the hassle and inconveniences of Free Energy.

Did you know that ZnO nano crystals is being utilized in self powered devices?.

Good luck with all.

No, thanks for the head up .

See this link bellow for serious attempt to cheat the fuel management system to allow bigger gain with HHO system:
Discussions, Documentation and FAQ's

[powerme]

No, thanks for the head up .

See this link bellow for serious attempt to cheat the fuel management system to allow bigger gain with HHO system:
Discussions, Documentation and FAQ's

I can give you a 100 published papers just from last year on piezoelectric cells.

Piezoelectric Kinetic Energy Harvester in now utilized by Nokia.

My work is NOT to liberate water >HHO but to dissociate enough HHO with Free energy waves already produced by the transduce to produce combustible Water fuel.

I do not need to prove a thing to you or anyone here. I have disclosed a practical way to produce electricity and motive power at minimal expense.

The choice is yours to make.

I gain nothing and loose nothing.

[sucahyo]

I can give you a 100 published papers just from last year on piezoelectric cells.

Piezoelectric Kinetic Energy Harvester in now utilized by Nokia.

My work is NOT to liberate water >HHO but to dissociate enough HHO with Free energy waves already produced by the transduce to produce combustible Water fuel.

I do not need to prove a thing to you or anyone here. I have disclosed a practical way to produce electricity and motive power at minimal expense.

The choice is yours to make.

I gain nothing and loose nothing.

Ok. I am not disbelieving you. Just indicating that you may not be able to use it on modern engine.

I am more extreme than you though, I am looking for a way to use water to run an engine but without consuming the water . But funnily, it also revolve somewhere around crystal power too lol......

It seems our energy solution use crystal one way or another.......

Please share when you succeed . Good luck.

[powerme]

old things

Ok. I am not disbelieving you. Just indicating that you may not be able to use it on modern engine.

I am more extreme than you though, I am looking for a way to use water to run an engine but without consuming the water . But funnily, it also revolve somewhere around crystal power too lol......

It seems our energy solution use crystal one way or another.......

Please share when you succeed . Good luck.

Same to you
I have car/ generator already running but am curious about the Electrical properties of metals and it's alloys including oxzidized forms.

Has anyone pursued the Joule-Kelvin effect of liquefaction air expansion?. Tesla had build an overunity generator in 1895 based on this anomally.

The air is abundant with all necessary elements for life, I am surprised air liquefaction by electricity is not discussed here.

[powerme]

I can't edit, comeon mod, let me be. lol

these are probably out of topic but I can't help myself.

Hey another more extreme thing I am doing is with Electroculture.

I am also working with bromide/ iodide alloys derived from the ocean, all the elements are abundant in the sea and can be harvested for free.

Noble elements can be seperated by electrolysis and selective screening.

[Roland]

Now I am promoting female orgone device. Cemenite is one of them, I consider negative ionizer and copper air vortex too, Joe Cell is a much stronger one although harder to tame.

I'm sorry i dont understand how you would use these Cemenite in your car. you mention putting them under your seat, and or near the gas tank. I dont get it?

Im mind is stuck on the magnets clamped to fuel lines. So i thought these would be warped around fuel lines but i guess not. I really don't understand how these work or how to use them.
Do they have to be in the proximity of the fuel tank?
Do you use more than one?

I was looking into how to build a negative Ionizer for the engine if you have any suggestion or links on this i would be appreciative also.

[Aaron]

magnetic fuel treatment

MSU profs debunk gas savers — Minnesota State University, Mankato (MSU) – 2006-04-09
FTC Halts Bogus Claims For “Fuel Saving” Device
Looking For A Miracle: We Test Automotive 'Fuel Savers' - Popular Mechanics
"Gas-Saving" Products: Fact or Fuelishness?

Here is what I think about those references: Magnetic Fuel Saver

[sucahyo]

I have car/ generator already running but am curious about the Electrical properties of metals and it's alloys including oxzidized forms.

Nice , what is the water consumption? IIRC, there are some discussion about HHO influence on metal on the link I post previously.

You have interesting advance research .

I'm sorry i dont understand how you would use these Cemenite in your car. you mention putting them under your seat, and or near the gas tank. I dont get it?

I prefer near the fuel tank. On my car the tank is near the back seat. With fuel line passing under the drivers seat.

I think with monopolar device, the requirement for placement maybe less important. because the fuel only receive one type of energy. With one polarity, the fuel will receive influence sooner or later via propagation. But as near as possible is better.

With magnet it would be different. If you don't place it near the fuel flow, you may end up exposing wrong polarity.

I think the thickness of fuel line rubber may reduce magnet influence. If you use it on metal fuel line, you may shield the magnet influence.

I think you will have better result if you make a container to hold a bar magnet and let the fuel flow trough it.

Im mind is stuck on the magnets clamped to fuel lines. So i thought these would be warped around fuel lines but i guess not. I really don't understand how these work or how to use them.

From my understanding, I believe magnet produce orgone energy. North pole produce female orgone. And this orgone energy has the capability to change the structure of Hydrogen based molecule.

On ice the orgone energy will change the result to clear or foggy depend on the polarity, can be easily checked by freezing a glass of water. I really sure it will influence other hydro base molecule or things too.

If on ice experiment polarity is important, then on fuel polarity must be important too.

On my opinion the energy that the fuel should receive must be female orgone. On magnet it would be north pole, on ionizer it would be negative ion, on joe cel it would be inflow, on cemenite it would be copper based, on air vortex it would be right turn flow inside copper tube.

Do they have to be in the proximity of the fuel tank?
Do you use more than one?

I don't think fuel tank placement is applicable for magnet use. I don't know the limit but more cemenite will provide more boost until I over richen the fuel mixture.

If your car felt to have more power during rain at night that dry noon, then adding fuel enhancing device may provide boost if the device is not too strong.

I was looking into how to build a negative Ionizer for the engine if you have any suggestion or links on this i would be appreciative also.

Try stingo corona maker, pay attention to the which end of the car coil connect to. Common terminal must connect source positive:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ghlight=corona

Sooner or later I would make a video showing how that corona maker smooth my car idle, from clanking noise to near silence.

[powerme]

hey sucahyo,
i am able to run a 6kwh genset @ 4 hrs per galllon of tap water,

atomizing unit consumes 280 watts, 2 x 5cm piezo ceramic transducers are rated at 45KHz.

power output constant load is 3 kwh. very stable.

i have a double tank stage set up that drains back to first tank, the atomize water is not stable and will revert to water in a few minutes, however the HHO gas is stable.

my pickup truck is carburator and have a different setup on it that I am still fine tuning. I wish to sell kits in the near future when I perfect the art.

[Roland]

Powerme

I have used Foggers in the past in my pet store. The brand i used never lasted more than 1-3 weeks. Do you have a similar experience with your piezo?

Have play with water temp i was thinking for a auto application using engine jacket water to warm up the water 190f. It might atomize better.


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