Theses on magnet on fuel line experiment

[powerme]

fogger unit from china is still going for me. i use only tap water. heavy metal and other elements will shorten transducer life.

china units comes with ss housing, i do not use them now as I have improved the casing with my own design but they were just fine

piezo is a layer of crystal alloy backed by ceramic plate. thickness of plate determines shelf life, also the type of alloy used.

I found that vessel geometry govens wave qualities.

[sucahyo]

You have an amazing way to use crystal, powerme. I see that you already share how at other thread. Thanks for sharing :thumbup:.

That is amazing efficiency. I hope you can perfect it so peoples can use yours .

[kcarring]

Here is what I think about those references: Magnetic Fuel Saver

I think one excellent comparitive test is this, and it bears a lot of similarity to the HHO world. I built 4 units, (HHO units) before I had one running at over 5 MMW, and when I did, I began to experiment with fuel mixture balancing. That in itself is another scary thing, because adjusting your emissions control CAN improve your fuel mileage! Without the magnet, or HHO... so again we can be mislead into something we are doing improves our fuel economy WHEN IN REALITY we tweaked our motor and did it without the magnets, or HHO, or grammas plum sauce mixed in.

So here's the thing...

This is what got me...

IF you use a magnetic apparatus or HHO to improve your fuel economy CHANCES ARE you accomplished it by way of more complete combustion, now that is agreed by many. Read up on aarons site /blog, or check into zerofossilfuel's stuff on youtube.com

so...

Once you are pretty darn sure you are winning using your mileage testing and you are almost positive you have a gain, try this:

Do one last mileage test.
Get an emissions test done.
Shut Off the HHO or remove the magnets, but leave the EFIE mods as is
Do another mileage test. Do an emissions test.
Revert everything to normal. Do a mileage test. Do an emissions test.

You'll be surprised.

If your test went like mine, you'll find that part of your gain is in the magnets or HHO and part is due to engine mods. Either way, if your gaining, you'll find the emissions test verifies that, because that's how you are winning, the magnets or HHO merely promote better use of your fuel.

I found that after 4 devices and 2 years, I gain 14% from HHO and 2% from MAP sensor tweaks.

My emissions are 43% lower.

[kcarring]

I might add anytime you effect the chemical composition of your fuel, you also change the explosive characteristics. This can do many things, sometime cool the explosion (HHO) but also increase the flame speed. If you motor is designed such that you use spark, like as in gas, the way that the motor is timed is engineered based partly on the flame speed of the recommended fuel. When you change that, you change the timing of your piston - in the case of diesels that are top dead centre timed (compression based) that's one thing... in the case of gasjobs, it's another thing altogether if your spark happens before TDC. The number of milliseconds it takes for any given volume of gas to completely explode will effect the timing of your motor, whether you chemically change the fuel, or align the molecules in a favorable fashion - so you may have to adjust your timing, retard it slightly.

At the end of the day I probably will not see a return on my investment anytime soon, in fact I was totally ready to give up, because of NaOH... THAT is what kills your motor NOT hho. It corrodes are RUINS anything aluminum (like an intake manifold for example). It wasn't until I finally, last month figured out how to optimize that situation.

Another and last consideration is explosive thrust. If your getting a bigger bang for your buck, and increased horsepower... guess what else you are doing... widening microfissures and cracks in your block. Something to consider. Whenever we optimize a fuel, you are liberating more hydrogen into the explosion. When HHO is introduced, or hydrocarbon molecules are re-arranged that's what's happening... hydrogen is being placed more abundantly to do it's work. That's great... but it's also the smallest molecule on earth and H+ and water combined makes acid. So,... I'll keep running HHO, but you can be well assured I wouldn't be messing with a 30k+ valued vehicle, it's simply not engineered and ready for our "amazing tweaks".

[powerme]

my atomize HHO water fuel can be custom mixed on demand by filtering H and O and atomize water separately and custom blend them according to engine need. I have shown to be able to run small engines, genset and small truck without any further modification other than spark plug upgrade. my next trial will be on a diesel truck.

the engines runs much cooler than normal due to atomize water injection with the added plus of non electrolyte HHO.

[sucahyo]

If your test went like mine, you'll find that part of your gain is in the magnets or HHO and part is due to engine mods. Either way, if your gaining, you'll find the emissions test verifies that, because that's how you are winning, the magnets or HHO merely promote better use of your fuel.

I use the easy to reach external pilot jet tuning for my bike. Since it work at 1/3 to 2/3 throttle opening, I do the test on that range.

I cruise at 1/3 throttle and then gentle open and also wide open test. Max power is when the bike do not stutter or do not whinning. If you use close to the ideal ratio, changing fuel station or fuel grade may require you to retune again. Reason why I rarely change fuel station.

You may have to retune if the condition change, driving at night require different tuning from driving at noon. Rain and not require different tuning.

The above tuning usually require subtle change of pilot jet dial, less than 1/16.


I tune my bike without anything at first. Then I add magnet to the fuel line. Adding magnet require 1/4 turn of pilot jet to leaner mixture to get the max power. This is about equal from changing fuel grade from 88 to 92, maybe similar to fuel mix additive.

Then after I take out the magnet and replace the cemenite, it require another 1/2 turn, 3/4 in total.

To notice gain with fuel enhancing device, tune the car without it first, then tune again after.

For fuel consumption, about 1:40 compared to 1:70. well usually three days of refill vs two days.

When HHO is introduced, or hydrocarbon molecules are re-arranged that's what's happening... hydrogen is being placed more abundantly to do it's work. That's great... but it's also the smallest molecule on earth and H+ and water combined makes acid.

I hope there are research for converting HHO to NH3 for safer use and more compatible burning.

my atomize HHO water fuel can be custom mixed on demand by filtering H and O and atomize water separately and custom blend them according to engine need.

I read the mention about water in the other thread. Wouldn't tap water will leave gunk or deposit?

BTW, different orgone energy produce different water. Which one do you think better for your proces, the one from clear part or the one from foggy part?


Notice different ice from both side. I never taste them, but I prefer the clear ice better.


Can you try? To get it, use flat spiral coil from insulated copper and place it vertical in a water container. There will be two type of ice which you can split in half for experiment. I suspect different side produce different rpm.

[powerme]

I hope there are research for converting HHO to NH3 for safer use and more compatible burning.

I read the mention about water in the other thread. Wouldn't tap water will leave gunk or deposit?

BTW, different orgone energy produce different water. Which one do you think better for your proces, the one from clear part or the one from foggy part?


Notice different ice from both side. I never taste them, but I prefer the clear ice better.


Can you try? To get it, use flat spiral coil from insulated copper and place it vertical in a water container. There will be two type of ice which you can split in half for experiment. I suspect different side produce different rpm.

i have halted other geometries due to an incident with a spherical vessel that I had experimented with. Waves kept ringing higher and higher, it is a different effect very abnormal. How many phases of water are you aware of?.

i do not have gunk as I use a brita jug filter when water is loaded to avoid this kind of build up.

[Aaron]

air with opposite charge

IF you use a magnetic apparatus or HHO to improve your fuel economy CHANCES ARE you accomplished it by way of more complete combustion, now that is agreed by many. Read up on aarons site /blog, or check into zerofossilfuel's stuff on youtube.com

The ones I mention in the blog also come with a cooling system Magnetizer
(better heat transfer by descaling) and it comes with TWO air system
Magnetizers that charge the air with the opposite charge.

So when the gas one changes the spin for the hydrogen and makes the
ortho to they repel apart and the fuel is "declustered", the oxgyen comes
in with opposite charge and not only has easier access to the hydrogen
but being opposite charge, strong and quickly binds to it more effectively.

[sucahyo]

i have halted other geometries due to an incident with a spherical vessel that I had experimented with. Waves kept ringing higher and higher, it is a different effect very abnormal. How many phases of water are you aware of?.

Sorry, I don't know. Water with orgone energy is harder to freeze. Very interesting story about spherical effect. You don't find the use for that keep increasing ring?

i do not have gunk as I use a brita jug filter when water is loaded to avoid this kind of build up.

I see, thanks.