Open letter to P. Lindemann

[sebosfato]

First of all watch this: YouTube - Everybody's Free to Wear Sunscreen! (ORIGINAL VERSION + ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

I believe is because you are recharging the battery with pulses my friend. This pulses voltage change continuously from 0 to the voltage of the battery. This could cause the chemical reactions in the battery to happens not much linearly while charging. Thus probably you have a kind of oscillation (very minimal) in the current this battery recharged this way is providing.

That can also be the reason why many batteries lost its charging capabilities.
And why some of this battery chargers claims to be over unity. (maybe because while charging it already works to destroy the battery chemicals deposition) giving the impression of being charged while has only less capacity by the charging method.

Car batteries are charged with 3 phase.

Try to use a huge electrolytic capacitor in parallel with the battery while charging.

This can be true or can be the biggest BS i ever written. But is the only answer i found for your problem. Check it out!

[elias]

Well thanks for the replies

@Sebosfato
Thanks for the viideo, no idea about your theory.

@Aaron
I didn't have any problem with the multi-meters either.

@Dambit
I am using a simple rechargeable AAA battery for the device with no protection, it worked at first, but eventually it did not start any more.

@Joit
I understand what you mean, but the device uses simple AAA batteries which are intended to be in the 1.2-1.6V range, and I am quite sure that the charged battery was not more than 1.4V. I find something strange about the energy supplied with these batteries which have crippled my wife's mp3 player, my shaver and some other devices, all of them had sensitive semiconductors in them (CMOS)

The CMOS type semiconductor is very sensitive to static electricity and must be handled carefully. Most of the devices which have Logic in them use CMOS logic, because of the fast response time and low power consumption.

Now I am going to put this into test see the effect these kinds of batteries have on different CMOS chips.


Elias

[lamare]

First of all watch this: YouTube - Everybody's Free to Wear Sunscreen! (ORIGINAL VERSION + ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

I believe is because you are recharging the battery with pulses my friend. This pulses voltage change continuously from 0 to the voltage of the battery. This could cause the chemical reactions in the battery to happens not much linearly while charging. Thus probably you have a kind of oscillation (very minimal) in the current this battery recharged this way is providing.

That can also be the reason why many batteries lost its charging capabilities.
And why some of this battery chargers claims to be over unity. (maybe because while charging it already works to destroy the battery chemicals deposition) giving the impression of being charged while has only less capacity by the charging method.

In my view, all the magic with batteries and (electrolyte) capacitors has to do with the "electret effect":

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...et-effect.html

[patmac]

@elias

I can't understand you, didn't work with brand new batteries neither?.

[Joit]

Elias
maybe it helps, when you only dont charge the Batteries full, only 3/4.
Negative Spikes are for me only Spikes, what appear negative in a Circuit,
what shows positive at the Osc/DMM.
Someone can guess about, if the different spikes has a different turning direction, like each Poles have.
But the energy what is delivered is, seems, just a stream.

I only know, that i did blow a 10Ah fuse from my DMM regular,
after i did charge a 4,5Ah Gel and tried to measure the Amps from it.
Sometimes it did blink to 12Ah, before it did blow.
Charging the Batteries in Parallel did drive the Voltage at my charge Load faster high.

Sometime can do he math now, when he says, he 'only' can charge the Batteries 1:1,
but what Capacity is left at the second one.

The little secret about current is, it is a counter running Force,
but its induced from the first Stream, but noone does tell you that,
it is only mentioned that 'it is' and used as a capacity.

[baroutologos]

There are people that have claimed success, Kevin has, I have...

The point is that this technology so far as presented, at best shows some irregularities that go contrary to common beliefs but that it. Special case abnormal marginal behaviours can be attributed almost to anything.. From cosmic radiation to static electricity.

You are more than aware than in this field of inovvative research that is guided by imagination, most claimed things are imaginery. Best way to silence unconstructive spepticism is to use a concept to do work.

In Bedini technology If SSGs were OU battery devices, we would have them as battery chargers of considerable abilities that operate without external electricity. This is far from true.

My current use of my SSG ver 5.1 (yes over 10 modifications) is to desulfate batteries and to infuse them life by over-charging them via cool-boiling process. Apart from that, no energy surplus.

Again a slight OU effect, in the milliamp range via conditioned caps and grounded rods, can easily be attributed to plain Teslean method of capturing charges from atmfosfere and charging caps.

Regarding scepticism, if the devices presented and clues given cannot even convice us, in this very forum that bear a solution to our everyday needs, how we in turn can promote them in our local societies and hope for a better tomorrow? (personal and collective) Needless to say more... i consider myself on the dreamers' side, but things must be put to their real dimensions. Perhaps in the future the picture is completely different.

Baroutologos

ps: i was hopping JB answered himself this

[sucahyo]

I have recently had a problem, with some of my batteries charged with my Energizer. The problem is that the battery was a AAA Ni-Cd battery and it was charged really well. It was used in my Wife's Mp3-player, but eventually the mp3 player now does not turn on after using it several times with the battery charged with SSG , this has also happened with my shaver, The battery is REALLY charged and it can drive loads for hours, but I think that this "negative energy" in the batteries may have damaged the semi-conductor circuitry in my shaver and also the creative mp3 player.

DId you charge without disconnecting the battery from the device? I think you kill the circuit while you charge it. Ignore this if the battery removed from device when charging. Maybe you need to rest the battery at least an hour. Or maybe you heat up the battery when charging (too much output current).

It isn't as fun as building these circuits ourselves, but it is a time saver for me since you turn it on and it stops charging when it is REALLY done all by itself.

Now that is what I really want to know . I mean how do the charger know that I feed him with bad battery or good battery; or A "1.5V" alkaline that can take 1.6V or a "1.2V" nicad that can take 1.4V. I found out that my 700mAh one only take 1.39V initially but now it can be 1.45V. Or how about 12.5V SLA turn into 13.25V. I think just selecting the type of the battery is not enough. Awesome technology .


I don't see alkaline mentioned in the list of supported battery, or is it to prevent interruption from "non rechargeable alkaline" bussiness?

[elias]

DId you charge without disconnecting the battery from the device? I think you kill the circuit while you charge it. Ignore this if the battery removed from device when charging. Maybe you need to rest the battery at least an hour. Or maybe you heat up the battery when charging (too much output current).

Thank you everyone for the replies,
First of all the reason i am continuing this discussion is not that I have lost an mp3-player, is for the fact that maybe we may understand something more about the batteries charged by the method suggested by Bedini.

Well, For the Mp3 player, I did this, I took the battery out, put it in series with three other similar batteries, and a 6V battery, totally about 11V, and put them in the output of my SSG for around day or so, took it off and gave it to my wife, The mp3 player worked at first and after about half an hour it "seemed" for the mp3 player that the battery hasn't got any charge, and refused to turn on, after several times I carried out this, the mp3 player went unusable. Now for each type of battery I put into it, and try to turn it on, it turns off after a second. This exactly has happened to my shaver too, but I can run it by bypassing the charge level detector circuitry, and connecting the motor directly to the battery.

Why this is so? I don't understand, and yes for my shaver I did not take the batteries off, because I had to clip the leads of them, and I charged them inside the shaver assuming that the spikes will get absorbed by the battery and would not affect the device, what affected the device is the radiant energy stored in the batteries, not the spikes from SSG.

My theory is that the "negative energy" inside the battery has a different type of effect, it somehow may slowly burn the CMOS semiconductors out, this is what I have observed and I am going to run some tests on some CMOS ICs later, to see if it confirms my theory.

I hope that Mr Bedini could say something about this.

Elias

[Inquorate]

@ elias - I can add that discharging one conditioned cap thru another conditioned cap thru a coil and attempting to capture the coil collapse, caused 2 transistors and an optoisolated tl494 chip to blow.

Radiant doesn't like integrated circuits

I have no theory for why, maybe it's the high voltage content of radiant, when IC's are built for 'current' technology. Pun intended

[Aaron]

this is a real solution

Now that is what I really want to know . I mean how do the charger know that I feed him with bad battery or good battery; or A "1.5V" alkaline that can take 1.6V or a "1.2V" nicad that can take 1.4V. I found out that my 700mAh one only take 1.39V initially but now it can be 1.45V. Or how about 12.5V SLA turn into 13.25V. I think just selecting the type of the battery is not enough. Awesome technology .

I charge alkalines on it all the time, but the charge isn't miraculous or
anything. A few good cycles and thats about it. It isn't guaranteed for
these throw away alkalines and it isn't meant for lithiums. But in any
case, I do recharge the alkalines for remote controls, etc... that take
hardly any power to begin with. After a few times, I throw them away.

Eventually, I'll have nothing but rechargables in my stash but I won't dump
the alkalines until the 1au won't even charge them.

Just the other 3 rechargables.

It knows because its the smartest charger in the world. That doesn't
really tell you anything but its proprietary. If you do one charge, it is
REALLY done for THAT particular condition of the battery. When you
load it down and recharge, it will be REALLY DONE for that particular
condition. After each cycle, the battery opens up a little by little then
you hit a plateu that is for new and really good batteries, above the
battery rating from my experience.

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To all... a very powerful solution has been provided in these commercially
available chargers. For serious rejuvenation efforts, does everyone want
millions of recoverable lead acids scrapped or does everyone want to see
them be put back to use since these chargers do them? That is a very
REAL, very PRACTICAL solution that is Earth friendly and sparks a new
industry beyond any other rejuvenation method.

Because some think there are no practical solutions from John's technology,
I don't think that is being fair or realistic. Look into the industry a bit...
Fork lifts, golf carts, cell phone towers, power plant battery back ups,
submarines, cargo liners, etc... You're talking about a multi-billion dollar
industry for lead acid batteries to extend their life, capacity, etc... not
to mention solar homes, etc...

Has anyone looked at what electric car owners are saying? For some that
have conversion kits, they have turned from a 2000 pound paperweight
into into something that actually gets them around town. Look how the
mileage is extended after each cycle, etc... pretty amazing considering
the owners are used to less miles after each charge.

I think battery rejuvenation, longevity, etc... isn't a sexy enough of a
"save the earth" technology for many people here because we many want
perpetual motion generators from time traveling humans from the future,
I know I do, but I sure can't turn my eye at the obvious that has been
handed to us.

[sucahyo]

Well, For the Mp3 player, I did this, I took the battery out, put it in series with three other similar batteries, and a 6V battery, totally about 11V, and put them in the output of my SSG for around day or so, took it off and gave it to my wife,

Question:
1. You put the battery back to the device right after charging without letting them rest first?

2. Why do you have to charge it in series with other battery? Is your charger give out too many amp? I think it is better to charge the battery in pair because it reduce the chance of uneven charging, to avoid full battery charging mess up empty battery charging.

The beauty of radiant charging is you don't have to change anything when you connect battery with different voltage. If I use radiant charger to charge 2 AA nicad it will charge 3V atmost, while it will charge 15V atmost for 12V SLA.

Your problem may possibly be caused by inadequate charging because you put it in series with full battery. Full battery have lower internal resistance and thus receive more charge than empty battery. It is better to charge the battery individually if you can.

My theory is that the "negative energy" inside the battery has a different type of effect, it somehow may slowly burn the CMOS semiconductors out, this is what I have observed and I am going to run some tests on some CMOS ICs later, to see if it confirms my theory.

If the mp3 player is really broken by radiant, then this is my theory.

For simplicity, I use proton for positive flow, electron for negative flow.

I think in battery exist atleast two kind of flow, 30 meter per second (just for illustration) proton and light speed electron. In normal close loop circuit or charger the amount of proton and electron is in balance.

When we charge the battery with radiant charge, the battery is only being charged with electron because the proton is disconnected when the charging process happen. Source battery proton do not feed to the charged battery making the charged battery proton hungry.

Proton hungry battery will then try to absorb proton from surrounding to balance it's internal. When you put a proton hungry battery to a circuit, it will absorb any proton from connected device and thus deteriorate diode or other semi conductor.

If my theory is true then the battery should be rested a while before putting it in circuit to allow it to absorb enough proton from surrounding. Maybe around an hour just like self charging time noticed by Aaron.

If my theory is true then any charger with charged battery still in place while being turned off will have leaky diode. If you are guilty of doing this often see if your diode still working correctly by measuring amp of a battery with the diode is in block mode.

If the last test is false for you then consider my theory broken . However, I have a couple of SBL1040 that failed this test partially and I am guilty of leaving the battery in place when I turn off my charger, may be just coincidence because I never test the battery first.

I charge alkalines on it all the time, but the charge isn't miraculous or anything. A few good cycles and thats about it.

Ok. I just found out that when I do it right I can even charge an alkaline. Previous 555 version failed to charge it. Never put the new version alkaline charging into real cycling test.

It knows because its the smartest charger in the world. That doesn't really tell you anything but its proprietary. If you do one charge, it is REALLY done for THAT particular condition of the battery. When you load it down and recharge, it will be REALLY DONE for that particular
condition. After each cycle, the battery opens up a little by little then
you hit a plateu that is for new and really good batteries, above the
battery rating from my experience.

Yes, seeing how radiant charger behave, it must require no less than most advance logic and sensing. Temperature sensing would not apply because the battery would get overcharged before even reaching yellow. Lithium like voltage or current sensing would not apply too because the battery voltage may rise and fall dynamically during charging, like initial raise of voltage before actually take charge.



Radiant charger help the planet greener too .

[Aaron]

lithiums

I have charged some watch battery lithiums with success but if
some are just gone, there is nothing you can do. These things aren't
meant for lithiums but some have had success.

[sucahyo]

I have charged some watch battery lithiums with success but if some are just gone, there is nothing you can do. These things aren't meant for lithiums but some have had success.

Thanks. I guess we should have take extra precaution when chargin lithium. Especially if we use capacitor. We should never allow the capacitor to build up voltage or let the circuit running before the battery is inserted. Notice some spark on both cases. Not a problem for nicad or SLA (confirmed ) but may kill lithium.

[elias]

Question:
1. You put the battery back to the device right after charging without letting them rest first?

2. Why do you have to charge it in series with other battery? Is your charger give out too many amp? I think it is better to charge the battery in pair because it reduce the chance of uneven charging, to avoid full battery charging mess up empty battery charging.

The beauty of radiant charging is you don't have to change anything when you connect battery with different voltage. If I use radiant charger to charge 2 AA nicad it will charge 3V atmost, while it will charge 15V atmost for 12V SLA.

Your problem may possibly be caused by inadequate charging because you put it in series with full battery. Full battery have lower internal resistance and thus receive more charge than empty battery. It is better to charge the battery individually if you can.



If the mp3 player is really broken by radiant, then this is my theory.

For simplicity, I use proton for positive flow, electron for negative flow.

I think in battery exist atleast two kind of flow, 30 meter per second (just for illustration) proton and light speed electron. In normal close loop circuit or charger the amount of proton and electron is in balance.

When we charge the battery with radiant charge, the battery is only being charged with electron because the proton is disconnected when the charging process happen. Source battery proton do not feed to the charged battery making the charged battery proton hungry.

Proton hungry battery will then try to absorb proton from surrounding to balance it's internal. When you put a proton hungry battery to a circuit, it will absorb any proton from connected device and thus deteriorate diode or other semi conductor.

If my theory is true then the battery should be rested a while before putting it in circuit to allow it to absorb enough proton from surrounding. Maybe around an hour just like self charging time noticed by Aaron.

If my theory is true then any charger with charged battery still in place while being turned off will have leaky diode. If you are guilty of doing this often see if your diode still working correctly by measuring amp of a battery with the diode is in block mode.

Your theory makes sense, to me, I need to experiment with it later. I am not sure how much the battery rested, but It rested some time. My input is 12v so I try to keep my output near 12v, and also I'll charge more batteries this way.

Anyway a word of caution to others not to use these batteries on sensitive devices, unless they are willing to accept the risk.

[sucahyo]

It is not permanent

Maybe resting time need to be longer.

I think the effect is not permanent too. Yesterday I found two of my diode half leaked, it let 12V flow trought it at 2V and 6V. However, after I kept testing it in blocking and forward mode it eventually work as expected.

I also have a fan that I remember being broken once after I power it with radiant charger output directly. I got surprise that it work now. Try to let the mp3 player rest without battery maybe in a week and then try it again with normally charged battery.