Open letter to P. Lindemann

[amigo]

Those who want it all to be handed to them like some kind of download containing the secrets of the Universe, and "want it right now", get exactly what they put into it.

Couldnt have put it better myself

Ahem, fellas' are we forgetting that only a very small (insignificant) fraction of the population of this planet are actually searching for FE?

The rest ARE literally waiting for someone to hand it down to them because they can not do it themselves.

Are you all forgetting that great MANY people (almost everyone) are living in utter poverty and slums, without any hope of escaping that fate.

Besides, who cares if you had to spend $1 or $1,000,000 in the process to make the FE device.

Does one always puts money (personal gain) before people (well being)?

Is there a price on human life?

Those who are "gifted" with the knowledge that could help BILLIONS of people should not choose to keep it to themselves because of a prospect of making money on it, but should release it to the World for free.

That IS the only way and the right way. Anything else would not be altruistic and would be bound by old paradigms which have failed us time and time again (putting money before the well being of people...)

[ashtweth]

Dear Steve,

Of course I know how to make devices that produce more energy than they run on. In fact, I know quite a few ways.

The MYTH of Free Energy is that hobbyists can build one of these things in their spare time! The fact is, that 99.9% of all people could not even make a ball-point pen from scratch parts in their garage, or even something as well understood as an internal combustion engine. These are major engineering projects that take time, energy, money, KNOWLEDGE and SKILL.

I work for a living. That means I don't have much time for these projects anymore. I set out to study Free Energy technology in my early 20's, in 1973. Since then, I have learned much more than I ever imagined was possible about this field, and having stayed alive, I ended up being considered "knowledgeable" by comparison with others.

I have been told, by people who knew Stan Meyer, that my explanation of Stan's system, as presented in the YouTube clip, is essentially correct, but slightly over simplified. But that was the purpose of my lecture at the KeelyNet Conference, to make things understandable to the whole audience.

As for why I haven't published exactly how to do it, Aaron and I were going to work the whole thing out, at the end of the summer in 2008, when the big crash happened. We both ran out of money and had to stop all of our projects. In the meantime, a number of other people have worked it out and there are some Yahoo Groups right now showing people how to run an engine/generator set on water.

Good luck with your research. That is all I am going to say here. No more questions.

Peter

I have always thought that Peter's talent(S) have only ever been held back as a direct result of the genre never having (FREE energy in general) the grant backed support or PUBLIC awareness it deserves, plus security and FACULTY interests. A non profit research center to also validate and help advance education with the devices.

Can a tiny Proof of principle device unlock this? Like The Doc's SEC and Rose's Heater that Fuzz and Harvey have cracked? Certainly People like Peter and open source engineers deserve support and much more than this.

I think we are all consolidating and making this capacity more of a reality every day, i think this year may be our year. A lot of hard workers HERE not button pushers

Ash

[ren]

I hear you Amigo, and I agree. But I don't think that is what Jibbguy or myself were pointing out.

Golden Mean touched upon it somewhat in his post, in relation to golden ratios, and studying natures principles. What I took from Jibbs statement was those who dedicate themeselves to the study of natural law and process, striving for a complete understanding of the forces involved are able to work marvels when they apply them to their devices.

It just doesn't work the same way for the average punter who wants the system without the understanding of the system.

I know for me at least it's never been about the money, but the sad fact is you need money to do your research, to test your models and to get your equipment. And that is nothing compared to the cost of building or organising kits for others once you are happy with something.

So in closing, I felt that Jibbs sentence that I agreed with was more to do with HOW a researcher goes about learning and building, how dedicated he or she is, and how different that is to the person who just wants it handed to them.

The world would be a better place if we all didn't expect things to be handed to us on a silver platter.... work hard for your reward essentially.

Regards

[stonewater]

to the junior member calling B.S.

proven overunity devices

1- Bedini monopole build one or buy one
2- lindemman rotary attraction motor
3- newman motor
4- ainslee heater
5- rotoverter
6- tesla switch
7- joe cell
8- noble gas engine
9- selenoid motor
10- meyer water car
11- tesla 1 wire antenna
12- stubblefield earth batteries
13 solar panels
14 wind turbines
15 micro and macro hydro
16 heat pumps
17 beardons MEG
18 you get the point

I am currently running overunity devices... it is all there for you.

I am calling your bluff, you can buy a 3 pole monopole from energenx, and buy the new 10 coiler. you want it you got it.

Tom C

[linesrg]

Misleading information

Good Morning,

I have not read this thread previously but am amused to read Aaron reporting an SG has being COP>1. As a lot of people do he is managing to ignore that the the front to back efficiency of an SG is circa 30-35%.

Thus if you put say 1A in you get possibly 0.35A out and 90% of that is only circa 0.31A and even assuming you could get 20% work out of the SG mechanically that still leave you with a machine that is circa 50% efficient.

Why do people keep ignoring the drive power requirements?

Regards

Richard

[Aaron]

@unzapped

Aaron, I read your theory. Oh thats right you are helping me with your little subtle hints and theories... Help me like I am stupid right? Dont help me SHOW ME...

You're the one who came here with a condescending attitude about this
whole process. I never said you were stupid, I gave you a DIRECT
reference to energy.gov showing you a heat pump is over 1.0 cop because
you didn't know the difference between overunity and over 1.0 cop even
though you said you did.

You are already manipulating the context of what I said and are twisting
it to make it look like I'm communicating with you differently that I really
did. This is the wrong place for this attitude of yours, period.

If you have been taught throughout your life that is the way to get
answers, I can see why you haven't figured any of this out yes and why
myself and others HAVE.

It isn't anything we are doing that you are skeptical about. YOU BROUGHT
THE SKEPTICISM WITH YOU plain and simple. Your MISLEADING thread
title post is a blinding example of your introduction and welcome message
into the home of many people that have dedicated years of their time,
money and effort into these projects. It was completely disrespectful but
apparently, it hasn't dawned on you that you have even done that.

If your real plan is to simply
defend what you ALREADY believe instead of learning, then you might
as well stop right there because you're at the wrong forum. There is a
james randi forum and others like that where you will be more at home.

You responded to me, I responded back and you didn't even have the
courtesy to acknowledge that YES, I was pointing you in the right
direction and there was nothing condescending about it. There is always
the innate reality of a situation and then there is what you turn it into.
Please don't twist the context of my communications anymore.

This attitude of yours is why many people don't want to share info.

As Ren mentions the solar panel...for your information, that is a
COP of INFINITY whether you like it or not because there is zero input
that we have to supply. Take any out put from the solar panel, water
wheel generator, etc... and divide that by ZERO - and you claim you have
never seen a machine that gives more power than you put into it? Again,
you have to know the distinctions FIRST before you can ever even
recognize something that is over 1.0 cop.

[jibbguy]

Well, regarding the folks here, we are not "stopping" anything, but doing what we can. Therein is the difference.

I mean, what the heck, are the folks here supposed to be completely altruistic and devote their entire lives to it? It is unreasonable to expect this of people with jobs and families. Yet they are still making a difference, even if it is not immediately apparent. And this difference is growing. And will continue to grow.

What we need is a world where we DON'T HAVE to do this stuff to see it happen. This is not OUR fault. It is the fault of the system that "likes" extreme poverty, "likes" to have most folks have not enough food or no access to energy. A system that refuses to study these things properly, so that folks working in their garages in their spare time scattered all over the world are the only ones openly studying them.

... And then this same system often goes out of its way to give these folks crap about it, too, lol.

The answer is keep on truckin' . This is how we shame them into doing their jobs as they should. How we point out the emperor is naked. How we prove that their old failed notions are the real "non-sense". And how real change happens.

There is a military expression (naval), called "Fleet in Being". It refers to a naval force that exists, whether it is actively at sea and ready for battle at the moment or just sits in port. This "Fleet in Being" ties down opposing forces and creates all kinds of problems for the "enemy", just because it exists as a POTENTIAL. This is what the Open Source Energy community is in many ways imo... a Fleet in Being of potential free energy disclosure that COULD change everything.. Just by existing, it creates a problem for those who don't want energy to be free. And eventually, the pressure from this Fleet in Being can help persuade them to disclose... or they risk having it disclosed for them.

2010 is the year we leave port.

[Aaron]

@Richard

Good Morning,

I have not read this thread previously but am amused to read Aaron reporting an SG has being COP>1. As a lot of people do he is managing to ignore that the the front to back efficiency of an SG is circa 30-35%.

Thus if you put say 1A in you get possibly 0.35A out and 90% of that is only circa 0.31A and even assuming you could get 20% work out of the SG mechanically that still leave you with a machine that is circa 50% efficient.

Why do people keep ignoring the drive power requirements?

Regards

Richard

Richard, this is extremely misleading of you, which I am actually surprised
to see.

Where do you think you're measuring this 0.35A out? Are you measuring
it straight out of the recovery BEFORE the battery is able to absorb it?

I measure joules of energy that you can get powering a load from the
output batter AFTER it has been charged to see what work I get out of
it until it gets down to the voltage it was at before it was charged.

Then compare those joules with the joules that left the input battery
to do that charging. You should know this very well and again, I'm
surprised to see what you're claiming.

If you're doing an input amperage vs output amperage, then you are
doing exactly what your are NOT supposed to do and has been spelled
out on the internet for the last 10 years. The output amperage on the
recovery is IRRELEVANT. You need it in the battery so the transformation
can take place - you know this!

You do NOT meter the direct output volt or amp on a recovery winding
or from the bottom of the coil going to a secondary battery.

And of course it is going to be lower amperage, what do you think you
get back out of a coil when the switch turns off? Higher voltage and
lower current as a trade off for the time compression factor.

[elias]

Hi

I believe that unzapped is a type of consciousness we may have had in some point in our lives, you know, you are tired of the NWO guys, the Banks, Stupid Governments, you want a way OUT. You are tired of ignorant people and etc, ... . So you go find forums like this, full of bright people, then you find out that no one here can give you what you want, then you get mad, and maybe think negatively about everyone, so that is the turning point, and you ask yourself, then I am going to do something about this, I am asking only God to help me understand the OU principles.

You know unzapped, it is very difficult to see any good thing, if you refuse to believe that it can be. Do you believe that Free Energy is possible? To believe this you need to have a "basic" understanding about the cosmos and their divinity.

FE is everywhere, and we don't see it because we don't clearly believe it yet. So start believing and promote believing and I strongly believe that the belief that a small amount of people hold would influence many people's beliefs. The belief of this planet is about to change about the material world, because of the so much interest everyone in every country is showing towards spirituality, and this is changing the energy of this planet for good.

You believe free energy is possible for you, if you feel good when you think about it.



Elias

[downunder]

COP vs Efficiency

Good Morning,

I have not read this thread previously but am amused to read Aaron reporting an SG has being COP>1. As a lot of people do he is managing to ignore that the the front to back efficiency of an SG is circa 30-35%.

Thus if you put say 1A in you get possibly 0.35A out and 90% of that is only circa 0.31A and even assuming you could get 20% work out of the SG mechanically that still leave you with a machine that is circa 50% efficient.

Why do people keep ignoring the drive power requirements?

Regards

Richard

Hi Richard

You seem to be forgetting that COP and efficiency are not the same thing. COP can be greater than 1, at the same time as efficiency is less than 100%.

Yes, the efficiency of the SG is less than 100%. The efficiency of your fridge, freezer, or air conditioner is less than 100% also. However they are capable of COP > 1 because they add energy from the environment into the equation. The COP is a measurement of the total work done compared to the input energy.

The SG does NOT charge batteries with it's low efficiency output. The output voltage spikes simply trigger the environment to charge the batteries for us. You measure the COP of the SG as a whole by taking measurements of the energy put in from the run battery, and the energy you can take out from the charge battery or batteries after they are charged. If the SG and batteries are tuned/conditioned correctly then the comparison should show COP > 1 just like the fridge/freezer/aircon examples.

I am no expert on free energy devices, but I have done lots of research and experimentation. I have found (under the correct conditions) that batteries charged with high voltage spikes charge faster than expected for the low input power and then discharge normally (or better) showing the charge is real and not a "fluffy charge".

Trying to improve efficiency is a good idea, but you can't get free energy from efficiency alone since it tops out at 100%. It's a good thing that free energy devices don't have to be high efficiency to be COP > 1.

[ashtweth]

Richard check out the load resistor Rick uses in this document, (at the intro prob 5 pages down) there are hardly any electrons in the out put.
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Joh...Technology.pdf

Aaron is right about that , we tested it too, want to trial the test again to see ?

Ash

[linesrg]

For the record

Good Morning Again,

I'll withdraw my use of the term amps and repeat the underlying message which is factual and not in the least misleading.

It doesn't matter how you measure the energy out of the input battery or the energy recovered from the output battery or how much allowance you make for the mechanical power you can extract from a rotor based SG one fact remains incontrovertible.

You get less out than you put in. I don't care whether you want to hide behind the differences between efficiency and COP - it is in fact academic in this regard. I have yet to see anybody post results that demonstrate a different answer when the tests are conducted properly. I have sadi before that some people use hopelessly undersized resistors to produce what look like wonderful results without any recognition of the Peukert effect.

It is also a fcat that extending testings appears to show a deterioration in the results as if there is some 'hidden depths' to the battery which slowly disapper with extended testing

A machine can only be considered as free energy or OU if you can derive more out than in on a continuous basis.

Frankly most people would be better off investing in a ground or air source heat pump if they want to see a device with a COP>1 - at least those results are broadly undisputed.

Please do me a favour, don't quote certain people as a source of irrefutbale information as some people in this sphere can barely find their own behind without guidance.

I keep indicating that I have quite a large sum of money in a bank account into which I can reach to get to any point on the planet to witness somebody showing me a Bedini based device(s) which they are using to provide useful amounts of power in a way which most reasonable people would consider to constitute 'free energy' i.e. if using say 1kW of solar panels then they can show they continuously use more than 1kW of power as a result of any machine/ battery storage system.

I have been fobbed off with smart bottom replies before but the fact remains nobody publicly or privately has contacted me.

I would like to see the Solar Kick that JB showed the other day do what he claimed at some 53W in 148W out in the real world.

I have 3.75kW of solar PV panels and 5400AHr of T105's to test it all on!! Bring it on.

As I keepsaying I want to believe, but I have yet to see anything and clearly neither have others judging by the way such as the Tesla Switch thread is going.

Regards

Richard

[Mark]

I think some of you are missing Unzappeds real point here. Some people are claiming to have the knowledge of a real "free energy" device and he wants to see one. Lets not get caught up in terms of overunity or COP.

A device that uses 1 battery to charge 10. A device like Howard Johnsons magnetic motor (magnets only). A gravity wheel. A device that you can extract some real useful energy from.

I have personally spent a few thousand dollars on making different devices trying to make one, but I'll admit I probably never make one. Will it keep me from learning and experimenting, NO!

But if someone does make one they should share it. Even if they are greedy and want to make money they could still share the plans and make more than enough money to live freely. How much money does a person really need to do what ever they want? These people with millions or billions of dollars make me sick! If I had that kind of money my job would be driving around giving it to people, that would be rewarding and fun!

Thats my 2 cents. No disrespect intended to anyone.

[DavidE]

This thread makes me think about the belief that earth humans are the only beings in the universe. There is no extraterrestrial life.

Our cowboy hats, race cars and Bar-B-Que is all that exists. Oh and yes, quest for power, greed and control. LSD, Ludes and free love.

The beauty of this experiential plane is that every utterance, spec of matter, vision has an element of truth in it. There are no objective lies - just breaches of intent relative to an observers perspective beliefs.

When you get a group of views - there can only be infinite shades of perspective. When this ceases - that may be the time to erase hope from the dictionary.

Vibrant multi-perspective exchanges prove that one rule governs this reality - S/T/PI. As you travel through SPACE AND TIME you experience and share PERSPECTIVE INTERPRETATIONS.

That is a foundational truth of human existence. Don't fight about it... ambitiously weave new tapestries of existence together. Or kill each other, in time each act becomes a deserved, self fulfilling prophesy.

[unzapped]

Allow me to clarify....

@all I am truly sorry for creating a distraction here with this exact thread. It was not initially my intention. I even feed into it with my last post an this one.

I do not want anything handed to me. The entire point of this whole forum, and overunity.com is for people to share ideas and research FE and OU devices. Unless I am missing something. I have read these forums for years never being an active member until recently.

What I am am here for is confirmation, testing, inventing, contributing, etc...

ANYTHING that gets in the way of that is a distraction (including this thread) and needs to be removed. This also includes those who send others on wild goose chances with the promise of FE or OU at the end.

Aaron... I am personally sorry for interrupting your work or life with either of the posts I put here... I do know what the difference between COP and OU is. I get it. Does it apply? nope. A solar panel is by your definition COP infinity. Because you never put any energy into it right? The years of research, development, manufacturing, the fact that you put energy into earning the money to buy it, this is all = to zero?

COP can be a snake oil measurement, a fuzzy math. It is easy to manipulate and trick yourself with this thinking. I am by no means saying that it shouldn't be considered. Nor am I saying that Aaron is trying to trick anyone. But the very thought of the math can trick you.

The actual efficiency of a solar panel is very low which is exactly why it hasn't solved the worlds energy crisis. It doesn't convert the energy from the sun into electricity very well at all. No if we could add some thermoelectric generation in addition to solar conversion we could get the efficiency up a bit... The cost would also rise. Coal would still be much cheaper. This is all about the path of least resistance.

I will leave you with this quote from Aaron regarding how I somehow twisted his context but it applies directly to what my entire point is and will be for the foreseeable future...

"There is always the innate reality of a situation and then there is what you turn it into."

Again I do apologize and I really didn't mean to offend anyone... Most of all I apologize for the distraction.

I will do my best to post only that which contributes to the betterment of the forum...

UZ