Open letter to P. Lindemann

[dambit]

Hi All,

Well..... what an interesting thread. May as well add my 2 cents too

I am all for hard work and all that goes with it, but at the same time what's wrong with being handed something every now and again. I think people tend to get caught up in the whole "well I had work hard and therefore you should too" mentality. Isn't the whole point of learning and advancing, in any area, to help make it easier for yourself and everyone else. If it's not it should be.

Without taking sides, I am leaning towards the viewpoint that those in the know..... should tell us what they know. Not everything at first, but something a little more usefull in an everyday sense of the word.

It's great that people such as Peter, JB and Aaron etc are helping in the way they think is best, but it's something to think about.

Cheers,

Steve.

P.S Besides, what's the worst that could happen....

The world could change!

[jibbguy]

Here's the problem with that: Who is the "Decider"...?

Put three free energy researchers into a room, and ask them "What is the best tech to pursue?"

You will get 4 answers

Meaning that what any of us may consider "distractions" COULD turn out to be viable. It is a matter of OPINION until the data proves otherwise.

It is not logical to expect this movement to conform to all of our likings, this is true in any endeavor. People are people if they work on F-E, or jet engines, or art, or R-C airplanes.

Yet, very good, and potentially important, work is being done here.. Despite the "distractions". And whether some of our detractors particularly "like" the work or not.

If there is serious problem here, it is the commonly-seen insistence that others conform to what a person here expects or wants. It reminds me of what we saw a couple months ago, when certain folks at the other forum (and even here for a while too) got mad because the Ainslie Circuit researchers wouldn't listen to their advice... To Ground it, to use more capacitance, to use a wall-powered low output-impedance power supply instead of lead-acid batteries, to use different semiconductors or resistive elements, even to rely on the use of "digital volt meters" to measure fast pulse circuits.

"No thanks, we prefer the 'baby' to stay in the bath tub right now if you don't mind"

These things can all be tried.. but if they don't work (as none of the above were likely to in that particular case), then what? "It's all crap"? "We didn't do it right"? "Its all fraud"? Build your own circuit if you don't like one of the Replicators' build, or their response to your requests! And stick the ignorant "fraud" claims built on your OWN disappointments up your full-wave rectifier.

Regarding what some people "want" from these forums, i would submit that it is already here for them, yet they are unwilling to accept or attempt to understand it. Sort of like a person who finds a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and rejects it because the pot is the wrong color.. or because the shape does not fit his or her's idea of what a "pot" should be.

Or maybe in some cases we have seen, they just REALLY don't like the idea of pots of gold laying around for average people to find

"Hey guys, there's a pot of gold over here!!"

"Show us!"

"Yeah, that appears to be gold alright. Who would of thunk it? Wow."

"Let's assay the gold before we get too excited."

"Great idea, we will help!"

Later...

"Hmm, it appears to be gold by weight, color, and chemical response to acid. Cutting them open shows they are solid."

"Nice work. But to be sure it's really pure gold we need to have it spectrum analyzed."

"Yeah, but we don't have a spectrum analyzer and they cost about a half a million dollars!"

"Maybe the University will analyze it for us? I'll contact them and ask!"

"Cool, great idea."

Later...

".. Nope, they refused: They said pots of gold 'don't exist', and we must be crazy for even suggesting it."

"Let's put it back and forget about it then."

(...just kidding on that last one)

[boguslaw]

TPU is here Agentgates´s TPU Application for Overunity Prize
- rotation of magnetic field accelerates electrons

I see a few other already sail out on the surface like Steorn Orbo

I expect 2012 will be a year of making free energy widely known and used

You will then recall my words - it's there , it was made here by God , it is simple, it is nothing more then our old Earth serving us with free energy, just plug in...Disturb and SHE will reply!

[boguslaw]

What is the Wheelwork of nature Tesla mentioned ? it's our galactic, our sun and our Earth.

[Ted Ewert]

I share the sense of frustration that we have to do this work ourselves because of fear and greed. Both the inventors and the powers that be have either sold out, or buried the technology. Many of the people who know how to create these devices are fearful of the repercussions if they were to make their knowledge public.
We not only have to overcome the technical hurdles of energy development, but we also have to overcome our emotional and moral conflicts. These can be even tougher in many cases.
We all hope to find some way of producing energy for our home and family. We all like to think that we would naturally share this boon with the world. But when it comes right down to it, who is going to really do it? Who is going to risk all for his fellow man, with little hope of recompense for his efforts?
It will be a difficult test for whomever gets to that point. After all, no good deed goes unpunished.


Ted

[dambit]

After all, no good deed goes unpunished.
Ted

And that is the exact mentality that is dooming us all.

Wouldn't the possible benifit to mankind be reward enough. It would for me, and there are plenty of others who think the same. All we need is critical mass.

Cheers,

Steve.

[Aaron]

@Richard @Unzapped

Richard AND Unzapped,

By saying it doesn't matter how input is compared to output, you get
out less than you put in. You're not even making a technical point with
that. It is your opinion.

Hide behind differences between efficiency and cop? Besides politely
slapping believers in the face, it implies the reality of the difference between the two is not significant.

But it IS because it is a very empowering
distinction that most people are simply clueless about. How many people
are stuck on trying to get over 100% efficient when that isn't going to
happen unless time is flowing backwards and they don't even know the
distinctions?

One of the first steps to power is to expand the frames of reference and
anyone that has the distinction is surly more empowered than someone
that is stuck in the efficiency bit not knowing the difference between that
and cop. It makes all the difference in the world by being able to simply
recognize the parameters necessary to have over 1.0 cop.

Most knowledge exists in the area of unconscious incompetence. Meaning
someone doesn't know what they don't know. As soon as they become
consciously competent and are able to identify something they don't know
then they can say, "I didn't know I didn't know that but now I do." It is
like searching in the dark and suddenly a flashlight is handed to them.
This is not semantics or "trying to sound smart" as Unzapped spouted out,
it is the truth.

Bearden - that is someone that is sounding smart but also is smart. He is
speaking his technical jargon because he is addressing academics mostly.

I've always given explanations in simple common sense analogies that most
10 year old can understand.

Anyway, your Peukert effect is irrelevant for the fact that you need to compare
apples to apples and not just randomly jump from c20 to c100 to c5 or
whatever. There are reasons things are standardized and anyone doing
the discharge tests should stick to a discharge rating that will allow one
to meet the specified rating of the battery. If the discharge rate at c20
gives you the promised load powering capability, then that discharge rate
should be used for the draw down tests. And stick to that discharge rate.

Who cares if the load powering capability at a c1 discharge rate doesn't
really give you the rating? When it doesn't it only proves the Peukert effect
and tells us not to discharge a certain battery to fast with too big a load.
But that means nothing to comparing input to output...use a standard
healthy discharge rate and stick to it.

The same thing applies to testing gas mileage. It is just common sense that
constantly flooring the car everywhere will give you worse gas mileage than
driving the speed limit so we can call that the Flooring effect. So we
test gas mileage at a certain reasonable speed limit without flooring it and
suddenly we have very real very useful info that does tell us something
about what gas to mileage ratio is and the whole time, the Flooring effect
was completely irrelevant.

You say it is academic but there are a lot of "academic" principles that
state different facts but just because they exist, doesn't automatically
apply and must be used in the proper context. And it is your opinion of
what is academic and not representative of the academic opinion of
measuring these devices. There is a difference.

Again, you say it is academic but then claim about hopelessly small
resistors... this is a question I hope you will answer, but are you talking
about a current sensing resistor?

If so, the academic opinion of measurement in these devices is contrary
to your personal belief.

Extended tests show deterioration of results? That's funny, I've seen
nothing but the opposite for the last 10 years. I saw the tests being run
at Bedini's so many times I lost track where the efficiency of the battery
went UP the more OFTEN the charge and recharge cycle happened and
even letting up off the tests just for a weekend resulted in a slight drop
by monday. I experienced the same thing and so have plenty of others.
If you are getting the opposite, perhaps your own testing is not taking
the Peukert effect into consideration and you're killing your own batteries
by giving it an abnormally high draw down rate?

Again, you say a machine can only be considered free energy or OU if
it can produce continuous excess. Richard, that in FACT is your opinion.
And why even mention ou? OU is ONLY happening if there output is MORE
than the TOTAL input from the operator PLUS the environment.

Free energy? ANY device that makes use of ANY environmental input not
provided by the operator is benefiting from FREE ENERGY as a matter of
technical - thermodynamic fact.

Unzapped, all the money and time to create the solar panel - Bedini says
it isn't free because of those things but that is to MAKE A POINT and
you take it out of context to dispute that the solar panel does have a cop
of infinity. You take it out of context because it is the next logical
misrepresentation that you can come up with that backs your preconceived
ideas about all of this and NOT because you are actually being reasonable.

Unzapped - do you think anything you're saying is new - something that
many of us haven't heard of before? All you're doing is repeating the same
script that many skeptics before you have come up with, stated and
moved on when they realize that it is pointless to deter people with
conviction.

You started a thread that mislead people, you make demands
and gripe that you don't get what you want - I hope it isn't a mystery
to you why on your life path you haven't had this stuff handed to you
on a silver platter. You can continue your battle of the wits trying to come
up with the next slick or subtle smart insult and keep playing that ping
pong game and I can guarantee you that all you're going to do is spread
ill will amongst certain people that have something to share and have
plans on sharing more and more and I can guarantee you also that it is
your kind of attitude that has contributed to certain individuals not
releasing more info earlier. Unless it is really your goal to accomplish just
this kind of annoying interference for the purposes of detracting from
the purpose of this forum, I can predict the outcome. You already
told me to "put up or shut up" and you're still able to post here. You
apologize with a sarcastic mouth. You can keep it up if you choose, it
will simply be your loss and not mine or anyone else's.

[Aaron]

@Richard @Unzapped 2

Richard,
If something continues to produce usable excess is not what constitutes
a free energy machine / over 1.0 cop? If something continues to produce
usable excess energy that is easily used is what constitutes a device that
is simply acceptable to you. There is a difference.

I agree with you on the heat pumps. 100% of them are under 100%
efficient but they can be theoretically up to cop 12 depending on
type of system and temperature differentials. To me, I guess they're not
as exciting as tapping the virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical
vacuum by a symmetry breaking dipole - lol. I have my energy bills down to
an average of $100/month for heating, cooling, all electricity, fuel oil
and wood...average $100/month over a year so I would die of old age
before getting my money back out of a ground source heat pump but
I'd put one in if I was building a house from scratch.

We used to email each other on almost a daily basis on all the earth rod
stuff trying you to get the results that Kevin and I got...you did have
some interesting promising results but not sure why it just didn't work for
you the way it did for us and not one single time was money ever
mentioned and I have never see it to this day until your post here -
to my current recollection. I'm not saying if you did mention you would
have gotten any different info from me but just that I haven't seen your
offer. Perhaps you should post your own personal challenge or contest and
create an application for it, where there is no mistake about what you're
offering.

But, you want to see a certain rated solar panel system produce more
than the panel is rated for with a machine/battery system. YET, you
have already written off the very tests that would validate what you
want - therefore burning the very bridge that is necessary for you to
ever know what you are looking at. You say you want to believe, but
you deny the test that shows you the evidence or proof. I think it will
simply be a self-fulfilling prophecy for you. You won't see any results
because you don't expect to see any.

You mention the Tesla switch thread. I have yet to see anyone mention
that John's hand drawn waveform shows MORE below the line than above.

2 examples of waves I produced:
http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_ener...e/tekload1.jpg
http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_ener...e/tekwave1.jpg

There is MORE below the line than above. Instead of a spike with only
potential and no current coming back on the bottom side, it is spread
out over time meaning I am getting REVERSE CURRENT moving from the
circuit BACK TO THE BATTERY and it is MORE than what left.

It isn't magic, it is using the fact that there is a free already existing
bias that pushes back from the universe as a matter of fact. If there
wasn't, a magnetic field couldn't collapse when switching off.

Look at the data - done PROPERLY as requested by top academia, Ivy
League types... high sample rate, one or few waveforms and this is
from a machine that does 10,000 samples per screen shot.
http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_ener...a-crunched.csv
Whether you like it or not Richard, this IS the academically acceptable
way for POWER ANALYSIS of waveforms that are either complex and
even at super high frequencies.

Both timer and load circuit are drawing a net NEGATIVE wattage. I have
done this so many times I'm tired of it and again no magic and most people
aren't even qualified to know what they're looking at. I believe this one
may have been when my inductive resistor dropped below room
temperature up to a few degrees Celsius as measured by a platinum temp
probe that is impervious to any electromagnetic interference.

So, if you're qualified to analyze these devices and you know how to
compare input to output and you know what the energy is, then you
should surely know how to have the collapsing magnetic field give you
a burst of NEGATIVE CURRENT back instead of a potential spike.

There are two sides to the "free energy" - voltage potential that most
people are looking at and then there is cold current that violates ohms
law.

There are a LOT of small scale demonstrations of MORE out than the
operator puts in. I admit it is more difficult to scale this stuff up but the
fact remains, anyone that claims the skeptical claim is simply NOT
even qualified to be a skeptic, period.

It is obvious that skeptics either can't or won't appreciate what is known
and shown because it isn't what they expect it to be.

Veljko's mechanical oscillator is over 1.0 cop. Just because it has been a
challenge to tap the output and bring it to the front does NOT mean it
is not a free energy device and that it isn't useful. This applies to just
about all of them, mechanical, chemical, electrical or whatever.

Don't take this personal Richard but you insulted me right off the bat saying
you're "amused" at what I said and you can't mask it behind polite language
because it is what it is and I'm simply justifying what I said and why and
I believe your claim is completely unwarranted for reasons stated.

You're opinion is known and so is mine,we can move on I hope.

Anyway, if you all want a free energy device that will do more work without
draining the source go get a magnet and put in on your refrigerator.
There is your cold magnetic current with zero voltage and YES, it is doing
work to hold a certain weight up against the downward push of "gravity".

The skeptics will say, "that isn't what I meant." Well, if you don't
appreciate the significance of that, you won't appreciate anything.

[Altair]

What I observed during my first year on the OU forums, is that there are many people who know; but they don't talk much. They are probably those ones mentionned above who would like us to work hard to research and understand the esoteric principles that govern free energy. Well, there is nothing that we would like to do more than this, spend our time learning by researching.

Unfortunately, life doesn't allow that. Work and all kinds of obligations reduce our free time drastically. Just reading the forums to try to gather info on our subjects of interest takes an awful lot of time. And that gives us just tidbits here and there. There are not any books and manuals that we can order to get up to speed quickly.
What we need is for the "masters" to give us the THEORY, so we can then work out the full understanding, which could then lead to fruitful experimentation. We don't expect you to show us how to build FE devices, but at least teach the theory in dedicated threads.

Throughout the last century, the active suppression of every newly discovered principle that could be applied to FE has been remarkably effective. But I'm sure that, for every one of those forgotten technologies, there is still at least ONE person in the world who knows and understands the subject well enough to be able to re-distribute the knowledge around the world.

Please don't take it with you when you leave this earth. This would only be another form of suppression.

Altair

[Inquorate]

give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

let every man be his own master

[unzapped]

Aaron you win. However, I think is was classless for you to disregard my apologies and assume they were without sincerity.

For all to hold me to...

I will never theorize with absolute conviction. I will theorize but only with the same skepticism as the reader.

If I make any assumptions they will be based on facts, one of those assumptions is this...

The fact is, there is no proof that any devices currently openly exist on any of these forums that will sustain its own operation whilst also producing a usable, measurable, amount of energy. Call it whatever you want.

If I am wrong it is only because I have not been proven otherwise based on facts.

If you have such a device... I dont want to steal it. Or for you to give it to me... Or even for you to tell anybody about it.. I could really care less.

However if you decide talk about it... if you say you can do it. If you belittle others, and taunt them with little subtle hints without proof. Then you need to STFU about it. Just go away you are wasting everyone's time.

It is ok to have theories. But be open about it. You could very well be wrong. How many people in here right now say that the laws of thermodynamics are BS... Come on don't be shy... My hand is up!

Ok then your accepting that fact the one of the brightest minds the world has even known is possibly wrong... So then can be you.

Jason

[Inquorate]

Aaron you win. However, I think is was classless for you to disregard my apologies and assume they were without sincerity.

For all to hold me to...

I will never theorize with absolute conviction. I will theorize but only with the same skepticism as the reader.

If I make any assumptions they will be based on facts, one of those assumptions is this...

The fact is, there is no proof that any devices currently openly exist on any of these forums that will sustain its own operation whilst also producing a usable, measurable, amount of energy. Call it whatever you want.

If I am wrong it is only because I have not been proven otherwise based on facts.

If you have such a device... I dont want to steal it. Or for you to give it to me... Or even for you to tell anybody about it.. I could really care less.

However if you decide talk about it... if you say you can do it. If you belittle others, and taunt them with little subtle hints without proof. Then you need to STFU about it. Just go away you are wasting everyone's time.

It is ok to have theories. But be open about it. You could very well be wrong. How many people in here right now say that the laws of thermodynamics are BS... Come on don't be shy... My hand is up!

Ok then your accepting that fact the one of the brightest minds the world has even known is possibly wrong... So then can be you.

Jason

@ zapped - check bits' posts on the tesla switch thread

[Web000x]

However if you decide talk about it... if you say you can do it. If you belittle others, and taunt them with little subtle hints without proof. Then you need to STFU about it. Just go away you are wasting everyone's time.

I've gotta say that you need to be aware that the people that need to "STFU" are the individuals that are giving first-hand-experience answers to the questions being asked. These are the only people that will offer knowledge so that even smarter people can take the theory and RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please be respectful to those because they have heard your skepticism for YEARS now, and its not their fault that you haven't replicated anything yet.

Dave

[Aaron]

@Unzapped

I think is was classless for you to disregard my apologies and assume they were without sincerity.

The fact is, there is no proof that any devices currently openly exist on any of these forums that will sustain its own operation whilst also producing a usable, measurable, amount of energy. Call it whatever you want.

If you were not being sarcastic, then I take your word for it and I accept
your apology. No offense intended by my misinterpretation.

I really was doing nothing more than honestly pointing you to some threads/
posts with some distinctions that I thought would help. I didn't see you
as being stupid or anything like that. Just most people have never been
introduced to the concepts of differences between open/close systems,
efficiency/cop, and other distinctions and for most people, it is a
stumbling block that they are completely unaware of and is largely
responsible for skeptics believing that people in this field are claiming
perpetual motion, etc... when it really has nothing to do with that.

Anyway, almost nobody has ever claimed to have a self sustaining
machine except for a few people that have "self runners."

Rick has one that charges the front battery. I don't know how long it lasts.
I had a similar result but I found that sending regenerated spikes back to
the front battery did increase the voltage but and I was able to get more
work and yes it is over 1.0 cop but the the battery(s) were not able
to sustain it for it to be practical - the battery capacity diminished and
then it had to be "reformed" by deep discharge then reconditionining. That
was only my personal experience and Ricks may differ but arguing if there
are over 1.0 cop systems to me is like arguing if water is wet or not.

I have no doubts as you see that there aren't any serious strong self
sustaining machines in the public domain that provide usable work other
than running themselves - they mostly show proof of concept that
closed system equilibrium thermodynamics are absolutely being violated
beyond a shadow of a doubt and their operation is absolutely permitted
by non-equilibrium open system thermodynamics. If you search, you
will see a LOT of government and other high level research into non-
equilibrium thermodynamics of frictionless fluid dynamics, etc... that
absolutely and completely rip to shreds the conventional thermodyanmics
as a matter of fact.

Anyway, I have a self running oscillator that runs itself but provides
no useful work other than that but it proves a point that it can produce
enough energy to top its input back up to an "equilibrium" of sorts and
runs stronger at different times of the day. At sometimes it will stop and
I have to jumpstart it by simply slapping a magnet on top of the coil
but the point is that it demonstrates doing a lot
more work than the potential that is given to it in the beginning. What
makes it possible is actually a principle that I shared with Richard
several years back but I'm not sure why not many people can duplicate
it. There is one other principle and it has been clearly spelled out in
the forum and this it.... If you want to take output and put it back to the
input, you have to take the input and put it into something like a capacitor
and connect it to the front SO THE FRONT DOES NOT EVEN SEE IT.
YouTube - Self Running Bedini Oscillator

As Inquorate says, teach how to fish... if people really take just a few
fundamental principles to a lot of this, they're really just be able to design
their own circuits from scratch and won't even need other people's
schematics because they can incorporate the principles and get the
results. The main difference between a lot of these circuits is that
they are different methods of accomplishing the same goal - for the
most part.

That is truly empowering someone when they don't need to rely on
someone else's diagrams anymore because they know what the aim is
and what parameters need to be met to get the results.

There are a lot of people that learned from Bedini, they get the concepts
and they go off and innovate their own machines.

It must be open to allow environmental input in. The output cannot
be lock-tied to the front otherwise it will short itself out and that applies
to electrical or mechanical machines...doesn't matter. The output is
ALWAYS independent of the input. Not unrelated but NOT locked.

Many people want the "self runner" but the first thing to accomplish is
over 1.0 cop in a non-self runner to get the principles. Then as I mentioned
before, taking some of that and sneakily putting it back to the front
WITHOUT closing the loop is a pseudo type of closed loop.

Here is pseudo closed - I coined goofy term because I don't
know what else to call it because it isn't really closing the loop:
YouTube - Bedini SG | Mechanical Switch

I made that switch from some copper scraps and a plastic CD rom case
slipped over a shaft on the bicycle wheel - so I never buy excuses from
anyone for not having funds to do this stuff. Not saying you are because
you didn't just that money usually is not a valid excuse.

The common tab is the middle one. 95% of the time, recovery is charging
a cap, then it disconnects the power battery and discharges the cap to
the front battery (when it is NOT connected to the circuit). The battery
NEVER directly sees any of the output directly from any recovery winding
so the loop is never closed. Then the power batt is connected again.
There are solid state ways to do this, etc... I have done this and have had
a battery power the wheel for a few days before the battery went dead
when the 12v 7ah would normally go dead in 1 day running that wheel
at full speed. Same speed, same torque, extended a few days by doing
this. It worked much better than sending a spike back to the front...the
mechanically switched cap discharges work wonders.

The reality of nature is that it has to be thought of as nature has given
it to us. A bucket/river or dipper/stream kind of system. You have an
endless stream or river flowing past. If you take the output of the river
and channel it to the input, you simply close the loop and create the
conditions to bring the system into equilibrium and it will dissipate all its
work until there is nothing left and the water will stop flowing.

You have to keep it OPEN.

So instead of closing the loop, as the river is flowing by, you take a dipper
or bucket and scoop out what you need, get work from that scoop and
when you're done, you scoop out more and repeat. That is why Bedini's
machines are over 1.0 cop even not counting the mechanical work because
when you account for joules of work done from what winds up in the
output batteries, it is more than went in... the endless river going by is
the infinite potential in time and space itself and the dipper is the
magnetic field turning off and on...the magnets on the rotor are literally
acting as pumps to expand and contract and when they contract, they
are helping to squeeze more potential into the circuit when the field
on the coil collapses, etc... You literally get more potential back than
what went out compliments of the forever rebounding back universe.

So what I'm saying is that there is no requirement that a machine
has to be self sustaining to show the principles of how nature likes to
work, it is desired, which I also desire a motor that I can spin, turn off input
power and it goes forever powering my home and anything that can do that
is never truly closed. Magnets, coils, etc... are always open and it isn't
truly closed loop.

Just because small scale proof of concepts do in fact exist and have
honestly been a challenge to upscale, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
They just don't exist in an available state that most people prefer.

In any case, if we can all get past the idea that a machine has to
"power itself" in order to be a "real" free energy machine and realize that
it is only a preferred manifestation of these concepts and not a required
one to show that a machine is indeed over 1.0 cop, then that is truly a
paradigm shattering mindset that will help the whole planet progress
towards the realization of this for all - in my opinion.

Anyway, for anyone that is on the fence about whether or not there is
such a thing that can take free energy from the environment, check
this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...le-energy.html
Just forget every single one of my posts - not important.

But DO follow
up on every single one of the academic resources I posted by Ivy League
universities, some of the top names in the world in science, etc... that
discuss open systems or non-equilibrium thermodynamic systems that
most people don't realize that MAINSTREAM academia ALREADY are
behind the concepts of non-equilibrium thermodynamics that pertain to
systems that freely output MORE than what an operator inputs.

They spell out that these systems freely receive FREE ENERGY from nature
and GROW AND GROW without entropy and it has become so accepted
that these concepts have spread through sociology (a growing city is a
self growing self sustaining system that exhibits NEGATIVE ENTROPY),
the Earth, any natural system, BIOLOGY, forests, etc... you name it. Basically,
it is the ONLY way that nature operates and only systems that are
designed to kill themselves without being able to self sustain and grow
and grow and grow are closed loop systems, which do NOT even exist
in any practical sense in nature.

Non-equilibrium is basically a system that is dissipating energy (because
nobody is claiming it is over 100% efficiency) but it doesn't die out
because when it is out of balance (non-equilibrium), there is a constant
influx of environmental energy that is completely free that sustains the
system. Or has the opportunity to have constant influx. Just because a
system is open doesn't mean it is required to be over 1.0 cop, just that
it can.

If anyone that is skeptical of this field can be comfortable with the reality
of non-equilibrium thermodynamics and can see how it applies in life and
everything in nature that we have every observed since the beginning of
time and that every real over 1.0 cop device strictly sticks to the principles
of how nature and energy in nature really operates, then the skeptic will
see that this has nothing to do with perpetual motion claims, over 100%
efficiency claims, etc... and that this is a valid science with principles that
are as sound and solid as the Earth is round instead of being flat.

[h20power]

give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

let every man be his own master

You hit the head of the nail with that one
I my work on this site I went out of my way to show just what was going on with the technology I am working on. Like someone said "there is a pot of gold" but the problem is no one ever see it. It's like it has a cloaking device on it. Most of this type of thinking that I see in this thread is of a learned behavior imposed on them by the works of "Edward Bernays."

What I did in my little thread is put science in where none existed before. But to understand what you are reading you have to know Chemistry, Physics, and Math, plus have a basic understanding of "Viktor Schauberger's" work. I did so freely of my own free will as a gift to humanity post to the best of my knowledge what I found out, and I went one further and gave everyone reading it a challenge to build units of there own using the science I uncovered. As for how I view this technology is simple, "Just take the savings and pass on what you have learned to your fellow man." Life with this technology is vastly different from how we are living life today trapped in the energy enslavement systems of the Ruling Class.

One could say the Ruling Class has all the cards and are handing you a fixed deck to play with for that is exactly what they are doing to you. They smile big time when the see people using what the media has trained them to do just like German shepherds. They impose their system of beliefs on you and you are completely oblivious it has been done to you. So at first you have to free your mind. So take the "Red Pill" and watch all of these videos the century of the self - Google Videos and learn the truth about the world around you, "or" take the "Blue Pill" do nothing and wake up believing what ever you want to believe. It really is that simple, a question of choice, nothing more nothing less.

And, my personal favorite, learn how to go about asking and answering questions: What does it mean to be a citizen?
The INTERNET is a place full of answers if one chooses to use it toward that means. Most choose it just to find entertainment, but if you really want to there is almost no limit as to what you can learn to improve your mind on it. You have to start learning how to ask the right questions that lead to answers for your self improvement. Stop being the baby bird and start taking matters into your own hands (now if you watched the video you will know what that means).

The one thing I hear mostly from people is it will take me too long to read and/or learn how to do it on my own. That is the wrong way of thinking about the problem at hand for time is not a factor you are. The time it would have taken you to read my little thread, watch the video's I just posted here for you to watch will pass no matter if you choose to read and/or watch the video or not. Time waits for no man, so time is not a factor in any of this, you are the one that is going to be changed or not changed, by your actions.

If you do not suffer from some form of mental illness then you have no excuses. Time to become the hunter rafter and wake up to the world around you, for each and everyone of us have a lot of work to do, all the time, that is the very nature of the US's Republic that was given to us so many years ago. I firmly believe that each and every one of you can reach the same level of understanding that I have, you just have to ask and answer the questions. Answering the questions is all important and is a step almost no one ever takes. It's a lot of hard work yes but it is all worth it as no one will ever be able to pull the wool over your eyes ever again.

Energy independence is ours for the taking,

h2opower.