Open letter to P. Lindemann

[boguslaw]

The frustration of Stanley Meyer was due to missing money ;-)
He spent all his savings to patent devices and to construct prototypes.
He spent also most of investors initial deposits.All in vain.
He was unable to start commercial production.

Sure,he could give all informations for free and see how others become rich producing actual devices , what he dreamed for himself.
At the end he probably would be able to buy some limited cheap model of his own discovered apparatus from one of huge worldwide corporations or maybe even he couldn't do that due to high price, while he would still have daily boring low-paid intensive time consuming soul killing job....

Is that a consolation for you ?

[h20power]

The frustration of Stanley Meyer was due to missing money ;-)
He spent all his savings to patent devices and to construct prototypes.
He spent also most of investors initial deposits.All in vain.
He was unable to start commercial production.

Sure,he could give all informations for free and see how others become rich producing actual devices , what he dreamed for himself.
At the end he probably would be able to buy some limited cheap model of his own discovered apparatus from one of huge worldwide corporations or maybe even he couldn't do that due to high price, while he would still have daily boring low-paid intensive time consuming soul killing job....

Is that a consolation for you ?

If one just takes the savings that his technology brings you can pull yourself out of their debt based systems of control. No more heating and cooling bills, no more traveling bills, other than maintenance and tires from time to time. Got a boat house? you can live for free with out any bills. Once you learn to live within your "NEW" means you will see that the old way of life is one of slavery. Convert the farm equipment to water based fuel systems, anything that needs an engine or hydrogen fuel cell can be outfitted with one of these devices and that includes buying an all electric car, for you are the one supplying the power to charge it. Add in the solar and wind if you want, and even build the Viktor Schauberger type of hydroelectric power systems are other means towards the same goal of energy independence. Once your free of the system of enslavement you are free to live your life without all of those things designed to hold people down.

It is a new life, one that no one has ever lived before in our time, and with this new life comes responsibility. You can take full command of your life if you start planting your own garden and stop wasting water on grass. The cure for cancer is out and you can learn how to make the stuff yourself here: Cannabis Cures Cancer - "Run From The Cure" The Rick Simpson Story.

Once you take a look at the world and those that want to control others you will see that they don't have your best interest in mind. They want to take take take and then take some-more, until the day you die and even after death if they can. They buy peoples life insurance robing peoples families of the money to even bury the loved one that died. This Ruling Class is the worst of the worst the world has got to offer. And if you don't take the time to learn their means of controlling the masses you will never be able to free yourself of their control. You will die a slave of the system broke and homeless if they have have anything to say about it.

You can do just about everything with this technology, build homes, wielding, melting metals, castings, home heating, and cooling. Cooking, ground tilling and sowing the land. What I am talking is a full take over of your everyday life, with no more need to work for slave labor, for you have to ask yourself, "Why do I need to work?" Sure it seems a simple question but the answer is shocking when you add in what this technology can do for you. Having your very power plant has it's advantages when you plan your life around it. Think about it....


h2opower.

[Aaron]

@Steve

If one of you have schematics, plans or whatever, just give them to the public!

Wow, John has put more proprietary company info into the public domain
that anyone I know - his patents are goldmines, which HAVE SCHEMATICS.

I have always failed to understand why people want to cripple themselves
by allowing themselves to be locked to specific schematics. John and Peter
both have given out a lot of schematics over the years and if anyone
understands them, in concept, then anyone can design their own schematics, which is what empowers someone.

When I built my first roller skate wheel motor, I didn't even know what a
transistor was but it was common sense enough to see the b,c,e
on the diagram on the package and any 3 year old that has a coloring
book and did a connect-the-dots could apply the same skills to knowing
what wire went to what dot. For a while, I saw the energizer through
the eyes of the schematic and realized that the mechanics of the
circuit aren't as important as knowing what the circuit is doing - for
years I have seen the SG as a gas pump/valve - I don't even see it as
an electric circuit.

Obviously many people, even skeptics, have no problem getting the wheel
to spin and of course tuning is another matter all together, which is easier
when "knowing what the energy is" but the skeptics are looking at a non-
conventional circuit through the eyes of conventional electron theory
models. Well, if I saw someone try to translate a Chinese document and
they have a language degree in French, I would honestly think they should
probably be committed because it is insane. I mean literally in the full
psychological sense, it is totally and completely psychotic.

A couple years after I first met John, he told me, "You have to know what
the energy is." Looking at it from this perspective, it makes all the
difference in the world because you can just use common sense to make
your own circuits that apply certain concepts to get the results you want.
I may not know what the energy is, but I think I have a pretty good idea
and it has enabled me to innovate my own circuits that continually do
what the skeptics say can't be done.

These days, I consider common sense to be "out of the box" for most
people, which is a crying shame.

Steve, you say you're impressed with the work Peter and John have you
done with what they did share? You turn around and say they're
grumpy old men and you want them to post schematics and you sign off
with Peace and Love?

I came up with the idea for this forum for the purpose of positive and
constructive sharing. This is our home and anyone that comes into it,
pulls their pants down and pees on the floor is simply not welcome or
appreciated.

It isn't skepticism I have a problem with, there are threads here discussing
a "case against overunity" and whatever. That's fine, I'm all for anyone
expressing their own beliefs but don't insult or disrespect the members
of this forum. John and Peter can obviously stand their own ground but
this is my home and this is unacceptable to me.

Like all the rest of the skeptics who don't understand or appreciate what
is spread out all over the internet for years, you make demands, insult
the ones sharing the info and ask for more. Would you do the same thing
to someone in person? You'd probably be knocked for a loop in one second
flat.

This is seriously disturbing and
is absolutely indicative of some serious cognitive dissonance. There are
two contradictory thought processes going on at the same time and
only one is yours, you really should figure out what the other one is,
I already know the answer. This isn't some cute way of putting things,
this other process going on is literally what is responsible for this world
being in so much trouble and very soon, I'll make it very easy for people
to solve it for themselves. Tyson is right, it isn't about money.

After meeting John and learning some legitimate concepts, it strengthened
my relationship with God beyond anything I ever imagined because it is
a holistic science that doesn't insanely compartmentalize and isolate
concepts so the left hand doesn't know the right. It integrates and
unifies so many things on so many levels that it has brought more light
into the area of unconscious incompetence beyond all other fields.

Having a spiritual perspective of life and "saving the world" isn't about
sitting in a circle, holding hands singing kumbaya waiting for the world
to be saved. It is about eternal vigilance and taking responsibility and
making no excuses. It is about busting one's own butt to make our own
lives how we want it so that we can only blame ourselves in the end
for anything that we think we haven't been given.

Many people are brainwashed into believing "Good things come to those
who wait." Even though Lincoln is greatly responsible for the downfall of
American freedom, that isn't even what he said and despite his treason
against the American people, his original ENTIRE quote is a pretty good
one:

"Good things come to those who wait, but only things left behind by those who hustle." — Abraham Lincoln

That is 180 degrees opposite of what the first half of the quote means
by itself. I know one thing, I'm not going to be one of those that are
left with the crumbs.

Steve, you're welcome to post and can be as skeptical as you want but
please leave your demands and insults out of it. This is to every skeptic
that is reading this.

[John_Bedini]

Aaron,
Thanks for the kind words, they mean allot to many people here.
Some here have built the SG and can see what you can do with it.
From the start the old Keelynet days I posted things on energy.
When I talk about energy I only talk of one kind radiant or negative as I consider the other form a waste product. I know I had some words with Richard but Richard in the beginning along with other members did build SG machines and did charge batteries better then before. What changed you Richard?

You did report on success charging batteries. It bothered me to see you so negative as if you have never seen anything. I have gone through all the e-mails as Rick let me have them. I find this very disturbing so I know the next complaint is that the G-Field does not work either. I think in the beginning with the MonoPole Energizer, I said this device uses very little current and showed a simple way to use all the wasted energy in the system and get mechanical power.I also said that the potential in the spike will recharge the second set of batteries, which it did.

Peter and I both said do not try to measure the strange current going to the back batteries. I found people trying to measure every which way never getting any results from the meters, but we told you so. I did not put any limits on people using this patent, my request was it is a patented device you may build one for yourself to experiment with. Groups popped up and I was beat from one corner of the universe to the other with stupid dumb question about current and Lenz's law. Current is not part of this process.

Sterling who owned the group allowed all this to happen as he just wanted traffic and said I just gave him table scraps, that is what he posted. Even if this all happened like I said, I'm still here trying to help people who need help. I just can't stand by why people who are unappreciative of things people try to help with in a helpless world continue to state it does not work, well it does, if you know what your doing. I'm just not going to hand you a working machine, then you would not learn one thing.

This is the trouble with people that have been handed things and learn nothing. My method is to not answer your question directly but to make you think for yourself. Get to work and build it, it's the only way you learn anything. And if you want this to come true then get to work to make it happen and stop complaining we have given you nothing. I have spent 40+ years in this field and I'm telling you straight out you could not handle negative energy. My answer to all of this is, GET REAL BUSY building as the end is coming real fast, you have all the answers in the groups.
John Bedini

Wow, John has put more proprietary company info into the public domain
that anyone I know - his patents are goldmines, which HAVE SCHEMATICS.

I have always failed to understand why people want to cripple themselves
by allowing themselves to be locked to specific schematics. John and Peter
both have given out a lot of schematics over the years and if anyone
understands them, in concept, then anyone can design their own schematics, which is what empowers someone.

When I built my first roller skate wheel motor, I didn't even know what a
transistor was but it was common sense enough to see the b,c,e
on the diagram on the package and any 3 year old that has a coloring
book and did a connect-the-dots could apply the same skills to knowing
what wire went to what dot. For a while, I saw the energizer through
the eyes of the schematic and realized that the mechanics of the
circuit aren't as important as knowing what the circuit is doing - for
years I have seen the SG as a gas pump/valve - I don't even see it as
an electric circuit.

Obviously many people, even skeptics, have no problem getting the wheel
to spin and of course tuning is another matter all together, which is easier
when "knowing what the energy is" but the skeptics are looking at a non-
conventional circuit through the eyes of conventional electron theory
models. Well, if I saw someone try to translate a Chinese document and
they have a language degree in French, I would honestly think they should
probably be committed because it is insane. I mean literally in the full
psychological sense, it is totally and completely psychotic.

A couple years after I first met John, he told me, "You have to know what
the energy is." Looking at it from this perspective, it makes all the
difference in the world because you can just use common sense to make
your own circuits that apply certain concepts to get the results you want.
I may not know what the energy is, but I think I have a pretty good idea
and it has enabled me to innovate my own circuits that continually do
what the skeptics say can't be done.

These days, I consider common sense to be "out of the box" for most
people, which is a crying shame.

Steve, you say you're impressed with the work Peter and John have you
done with what they did share? You turn around and say they're
grumpy old men and you want them to post schematics and you sign off
with Peace and Love?

I came up with the idea for this forum for the purpose of positive and
constructive sharing. This is our home and anyone that comes into it,
pulls their pants down and pees on the floor is simply not welcome or
appreciated.

It isn't skepticism I have a problem with, there are threads here discussing
a "case against overunity" and whatever. That's fine, I'm all for anyone
expressing their own beliefs but don't insult or disrespect the members
of this forum. John and Peter can obviously stand their own ground but
this is my home and this is unacceptable to me.

Like all the rest of the skeptics who don't understand or appreciate what
is spread out all over the internet for years, you make demands, insult
the ones sharing the info and ask for more. Would you do the same thing
to someone in person? You'd probably be knocked for a loop in one second
flat.

This is seriously disturbing and
is absolutely indicative of some serious cognitive dissonance. There are
two contradictory thought processes going on at the same time and
only one is yours, you really should figure out what the other one is,
I already know the answer. This isn't some cute way of putting things,
this other process going on is literally what is responsible for this world
being in so much trouble and very soon, I'll make it very easy for people
to solve it for themselves. Tyson is right, it isn't about money.

After meeting John and learning some legitimate concepts, it strengthened
my relationship with God beyond anything I ever imagined because it is
a holistic science that doesn't insanely compartmentalize and isolate
concepts so the left hand doesn't know the right. It integrates and
unifies so many things on so many levels that it has brought more light
into the area of unconscious incompetence beyond all other fields.

Having a spiritual perspective of life and "saving the world" isn't about
sitting in a circle, holding hands singing kumbaya waiting for the world
to be saved. It is about eternal vigilance and taking responsibility and
making no excuses. It is about busting one's own butt to make our own
lives how we want it so that we can only blame ourselves in the end
for anything that we think we haven't been given.

Many people are brainwashed into believing "Good things come to those
who wait." Even though Lincoln is greatly responsible for the downfall of
American freedom, that isn't even what he said and despite his treason
against the American people, his original ENTIRE quote is a pretty good
one:

"Good things come to those who wait, but only things left behind by those who hustle." — Abraham Lincoln

That is 180 degrees opposite of what the first half of the quote means
by itself. I know one thing, I'm not going to be one of those that are
left with the crumbs.

Steve, you're welcome to post and can be as skeptical as you want but
please leave your demands and insults out of it. This is to every skeptic
that is reading this.

[blackchisel97]

The problem with being a leader is that people follow. It's a difficult and basically untenable situation.

Followers fall into several categories;

Worshippers that hang on their perceived leader's every word, and cease being able to think for themselves.

Sceptics that take umbrige to having their comfortable beliefs challenged, who cannot face re-assessing their worldview. They come in two types; the fiercely opposed but completely uninformed, and the fiercely opposed but dangerously misinformed.

There are those who have come on the path to knowledge, having discovered the overwhelming depth to which they had been misled previously, and can't quite shake the paranoia and distrust. In trying to be mindful, they may get stuck in doubt.

And there's the follower's response of, 'ok, I'll let you help me but you'd better deliver'.. Expectations of rescue.

All of which make things very difficult for the 'leader' to relate, especially when nobody here is aware of the personal lives and constraints, etc they're under.

Perhaps a more helpful response when someone attempts to share their knowledge and expertise, wether in part or full (which is none of the receiver's business), is to be thankful for the help.

What is freely offered should be thankfully accepted, or gratefully declined.

Everyone, myself included, seems to lose their manners occasionally when posting here, and write things that would not be said to a person's face. While maybe not being directly questionable in their manner, people do appear to be being subversively disrespectful.

Maybe we could try to be mindful, and to recall that everyone online has a face.

I did hesitate to post here since I'm not very good with expressing my feelings. Until April of 2008 I had no idea about John Bedini, Peter Lindemann, Gray, Sweet and other great people. I found John's name while looking for materials related to Nikola Tesla. I wanted to write for people back in my old country and give them some knowledge, they (and I) were deprived during school years.
Despite 25 years "break" from electronics I didn't have problem to understand and see (in reversed order) something new and stunning. When I stumbled upon Yahoo Group with John posts, it was already closed. From my reading, because of few individuals trying to discredit John's work, distract and convince others that there is no such animal as an elephant. I don't know if they were moles, being paid to sabotage forum or just one of the categories described by Inquorate I admire patience of moderators and John's, trying to deal with them civilized and polite way. Mine would be depleted very quickly. As a result, all others lost an opportunity to learn and advance while having excellent guidance and advice.
Once again I see the same kind of individuals demanding proof, disclosure of company property (of course for free) so they may consider actually believing that elephant (or similar form) perhaps maybe real. Sad thing is, that some people will still deny, despite having working device served on the silver platter. You may as well throw pearls before hogs.
It seems to be much easier for man to perfect denial instead of trying to understand. I'm not saying that I understand everything and it's clear. That would be foolish statement but I don't try to discredit just because I can't comprehend. I consider it my fault when I don't.
I understand bitterness of people when they have to struggle and spend years developing ideas using their own money, find ways to convince crusted scientific world, Patent Office and finally, when they decide to share (which they don't have to!) there is another wave of b.s they have to put up with.
And what for? Why it is so hard to appreciate while is so easy to discredit. Why is so hard to imagine how someone, having working device must feel reading such comments, stating that it's impossible. This is great place to learn and work with others but it's individual choice. We are not under obligation or pressure to follow, replicate or to believe. We shall make our choices quietly, without influencing and distracting others. Take it or leave it. No pressure.

@Inquorate Excellent summary and well said


Vtech

[Ted Ewert]

Peter and I both said do not try to measure the strange current going to the back batteries. I found people trying to measure every which way never getting any results from the meters, but we told you so. I did not put any limits on people using this patent, my request was it is a patented device you may build one for yourself to experiment with. Groups popped up and I was beat from one corner of the universe to the other with stupid dumb question about current and Lenz's law. Current is not part of this process.

Sterling who owned the group allowed all this to happen as he just wanted traffic and said I just gave him table scraps, that is what he posted. Even if this all happened like I said, I'm still here trying to help people who need help. I just can't stand by why people who are unappreciative of things people try to help with in a helpless world continue to state it does not work, well it does, if you know what your doing. I'm just not going to hand you a working machine, then you would not learn one thing.

This is the trouble with people that have been handed things and learn nothing. My method is to not answer your question directly but to make you think for yourself. Get to work and build it, it's the only way you learn anything. And if you want this to come true then get to work to make it happen and stop complaining we have given you nothing. I have spent 40+ years in this field and I'm telling you straight out you could not handle negative energy. My answer to all of this is, GET REAL BUSY building as the end is coming real fast, you have all the answers in the groups.
John Bedini

You told me the same thing a few years back and I felt frustrated that I didn't have an immediate solution to my energy needs. I wanted the same thing these guys want and felt impatient and exasperated. But I did like you said and kept on building (mostly because I love to build this stuff) and I've been building ever since.
There's not a day when I build that I don't learn something new (And I build every day). Building teaches me things that I have never found in books, or even in these forums. It also makes me look at the things I'm trying to accomplish in a different light.
It wouldn't be possible for me to progress in this field if I didn't build my ideas to see if they work. I've had so many great ideas that plain didn't work, not even remotely like I thought they would. How would I know that unless I tried it?
If we're going to find a solution to our energy needs, we need to build our dreams. An idea to create energy isn't worth spit until it's built and tested.
Another thing to remember is this. When that next new free energy machine is unveiled, what are you going to do? Wait for it to come to market so you can buy one? Don't hold your breath. You'll either have to build one yourself or be content to wait. If you've been building all along, it won't be a problem to replicate whatever you want. That's part of being energy independent; being able to construct your own energy system.
There are lots of experienced builders here who would be glad to help those of you who are inexperienced, or a little reluctant, to get started. Build an SG for starters, or even simpler, a Flynn parallel path demo unit (one of my first and favorites). Start out simple and work your way up, you'll enjoy it.
A note on the SG: Don't underestimate that little device. That's an awesome circuit and one well worth studying. John has done a great service to us all in revealing that one. Thanks!

Cheers,

Ted

[Adam]

Aaron,
Thanks for the kind words, they mean allot to many people here.
Some here have built the SG and can see what you can do with it.
From the start the old Keelynet days I posted things on energy.
When I talk about energy I only talk of one kind radiant or negative as I consider the other form a waste product. I know I had some words with Richard but Richard in the beginning along with other members did build SG machines and did charge batteries better then before. What changed you Richard?

You did report on success charging batteries. It bothered me to see you so negative as if you have never seen anything. I have gone through all the e-mails as Rick let me have them. I find this very disturbing so I know the next complaint is that the G-Field does not work either. I think in the beginning with the MonoPole Energizer, I said this device uses very little current and showed a simple way to use all the wasted energy in the system and get mechanical power.I also said that the potential in the spike will recharge the second set of batteries, which it did.

Peter and I both said do not try to measure the strange current going to the back batteries. I found people trying to measure every which way never getting any results from the meters, but we told you so. I did not put any limits on people using this patent, my request was it is a patented device you may build one for yourself to experiment with. Groups popped up and I was beat from one corner of the universe to the other with stupid dumb question about current and Lenz's law. Current is not part of this process.

Sterling who owned the group allowed all this to happen as he just wanted traffic and said I just gave him table scraps, that is what he posted. Even if this all happened like I said, I'm still here trying to help people who need help. I just can't stand by why people who are unappreciative of things people try to help with in a helpless world continue to state it does not work, well it does, if you know what your doing. I'm just not going to hand you a working machine, then you would not learn one thing.

This is the trouble with people that have been handed things and learn nothing. My method is to not answer your question directly but to make you think for yourself. Get to work and build it, it's the only way you learn anything. And if you want this to come true then get to work to make it happen and stop complaining we have given you nothing. I have spent 40+ years in this field and I'm telling you straight out you could not handle negative energy. My answer to all of this is, GET REAL BUSY building as the end is coming real fast, you have all the answers in the groups.
John Bedini

John and Peter,
I love the work that both of you have done in the past and are doing now. All I can think of are all the people or inventers that have died with their secrets thinking that some day they will be rich or the world is not ready for the technology. Makes me sick!!! People that say all they want is to help the world be a better place or that God gave them the technology to help the people. But they will never give the real meat of the project away. IE Joe Newman, Peter, John, Tom Bearden, Stan M, Howard Johnson, Moray, Sweet and others. Just think if Howard Johnson had told people how to cut the magnets. People all over would be working on it, John you have the device you could tell people!!! But you won’t and the technology will be lost after you die too. I would think by now both of you would have learned that trying to get people to think on their own with bits of information does not work on a large scale. You both have tried to do this people loose interest after time. It’s just too bad that professors and engineers teach in the same way and it just trickles down. People are always more excited to have a working device and then try to modify it or then understand how it works. I once had an instructor that told me to go up on the board and teach him without any input from him. I told him I could pay a monkey to sit and watch me figure out how to teach with hints or bits of information from him. I then got another instructor and he got up to the board and was teaching me so I could see his technique and know just how to do it. When I was comfortable I then started to change things around or experiment and find my own technique. I now teach other instructors that same method and it always works… Wouldn’t you agree that this method would work with much greater results? Have either of you just told someone exactly how something works and felt the joy and good feelings you get from it? Not everything is about money or the status of knowing more than others? Just think if someone does someday just give out the secret, that person will someday be the greatest man in history. I hope this will help make people think about life and some day releasing the secret.

Peter and John, I hope I didn’t offend either of you that is not my point. I love the videos both of you put out!!! I think there are a lot of people out there that would love to see a video from one of you that have all the info in it and not have to wait for video 2 that never makes it…. Just remember someday someone will be that person. We would all love to see it be you….

Adam.

[Inquorate]

Last comment on this thread

Ignorance is bliss. For the ignorant.

Either admit to yourself you are afraid of being powerful, and are content having others make decisions for you, and choose to find joy in that choice..

Or, face the fear and reclaim your power to be the infinitely creative being that you were born with the potential to be.

If you choose the former, by all means continue to do nothing for yourself. But the age of the 'Master/slave' consciousness is coming to an end on this earth. Beware, your joy may be fleeting.

If you choose the latter, stop procrastinating.. The time is now; be all that you can be.

Love and light

[h20power]

I'm with JB on this one as I have been shut up before on more than one forum, a total loss of my freedom of speech by the owners of the forum. Even when I go about answering questions they don't like my answers and band me from the forums due to the answers not fitting their perceived preconceptions. I coined the phrase, "hho bandwagon" to talk about the many on the internet just following each other around and not thinking about what it is they where doing. I also group those that just want a quick buck, using their savvy sales pitch to get paid on someone else's idea. The hho band-wagoners go around with Dr. Faraday type electrolysis saying it is the same as Stanley Meyer, Bob Boyce, Dr. Dingel, Albert Boe, and many others that have found other ways to break down the water molecule and/or make use of it as a source of fuel outside of the realm of what Dr. Faraday did so many years ago. But to they're credit they did find a better way to break the water molecule down than what Dr. Faraday did, though besting an 150 year old technology is really nothing to brag about.

In taking a closer look at just plain old ordinary water I was blown away at what I found out about it. It is not what people think it is, it is so much more. Without water there is no life, but why is that so? The answer is not what everyone thinks it is. Without water life wont form, why is that? What is it about water that allows for the creation of life? How does water make lightning or electricity all on it's own? What gives water the ability to self-ionize? How can water be influenced by thought alone and/or emotions? Does water have a memory?

Most of these questions I have answered for myself, and because of it I have a deeper love of God and all of his great wisdom. I now know how the spark of life gets it's start, or at least I feel I have an understanding of how it works. I ask God for this level of understanding and it seems he delivered on that request. Water the Alfa and the omega, it is the stuff that makes life possible and protects all that life once it begins. It is a combination of things that makes life possible, the planet, the sun, and of course the water. And someone had to have the power to put thought into motion, God .

Once one gets close to the end of his/her quest to fully understand water everything begins to make sense and the thought of "Intelligent Design" really starts to make a lot of sense. The ability of water to self-ionize is something that is different about it compared to all forms of other compounds found. No mater how pure the water over time will create energy all on it's own, and the sun is not needed for it to do it but the earth is I believe, have to run some test to prove it. Understanding how that works unlocks the key to making use of it as a fuel. Answering the question in this video gives a clue to how it works: Physics – A Physics Lecture in MIT – “Water Battery” as I am not going to tell you what I have found out in someone else's thread. Also understanding what is actually taking place in this video: YouTube - Lec 9 | MIT 6.013 Electromagnetics and Applications, Fall 20. What most believe takes place in a lightning storm is just plan wrong and has to do with the self-ionization of water and the earth. Questions ones should have are why does the water spreads apart at one side only, why not both sides? Again I have already answered to myself these questions about how this is all working in the both videos and the question I posed to everyone. Now the thing that makes this special is oil wont do this nor will anything else I can think of, talking about this water drop experiment. So there is something different about water that makes it stand apart from all other compounds known to man.

In my humble opinion I think God gave us so much of it so we could use it as a fuel, and not only that he made it totally renewable . On my little thread I also get those that just only know how to show disrespect towards me and my line of thought concerning Stanley Meyer's, Albert Boe's, and Dr. Dingel's work. I had to put them on the ignore list just to keep the thread moving along. But still they post negative unhelpfully information on my thread, even when one of them has started a thread for his own thoughts to shine brightly. No they feel they have to tear someone down in front of an audience for them to feel good about themselves is my thinking. I show them science and they attack the man, for to heck with the science as they can't seem to understand it or find a way to debunk it. Like JB I like for you to think for yourself, for if I give you a working model and it malfunctions what are you going to do, call me and ask for me to come over and find out why it quit working? I don't think so! Your going to have to learn everything so if a problem arises you can deal with it on your own, enough of this baby table stuff.

The people like JB, Arron, and others gave what they thought is best for it is just the right thing to do. We all seem to share in one dream and that dream is seeing humanity finally overcome it's addiction to coal and oil. The only time I really want to use coal is for a BBQ, not to power my house. And I would like the Hemp plant to be forgiven for being such a blessing to mankind as it can fully take over what oil is doing for us now, without the toxic effects oil brings to the game. I encourage each and everyone of you to take a deeper look at water for it is not being used to it's fullest capabilities right now. Put it this way, if you want to go to Mars then your going to have to take some water, why not put it to good use along the way?

Water is Gods gift to humanity and all living things,

h2opower.

[sucahyo]

for COP>1 device list sticky thread idea by jeanna. If possible an introduction of what it do best and wether it is replicated or only appear in patent, etc.

Something like:

School Girl Generator
A motor that can charge a battery and use very little power.
Costruction difficulty: easy
Benefit: charge battery with different electricity
Cost: not expensive
Danger: flying magnet
How to link: ...
Theory link: ...
Sucessfull story: ...


Interesting discussion so far. Let me propose a way to obtain COP>1 with very little cost. However this method may not be believed by many of you including anyone capable of building COP>1 device.

The way to do it is by getting out side world support. I am talking about asking help from jin. Western people call it devil or demon while there are good being and evil being too. It is called voodo, inner strength, prana, chi etc.

Realize that this kind of way is not without side effect. It give lifetime sorrow from my perpective, but different people may have different opinion. The cost is cheap, because they would only ask for something obtainable locally. Even the people who help you negotiate with them may not charge you.

Once you can heat up your self, your family, cook using you hand, cool thing with your hand, light up a bulb with your hand, make fire with your hand, heal people with your hand, move a 5 ton car with your leg, bend steel with your hand; you have COP>1 in your own hand.

You can also try to ask free energy device to the being from another world because they age slower. 100 years is like teenager for them. There may be being who know and learn Tesla tech.

However, there is some story that human is capable of doing things more than being from other world. Example:
- When Solomon ask his people to move queen Saba chair jin offer an overnight service while human scientist offer delivery at the blink of eye.
- Solomon is capable of going a month of land jurney in a day.
- David healing flute can cure human and jin.

The last point is personal worries because many cloud buster variant practioner proud that their device make a devil run for their life. If frequency can do wonder for both human and devil, then a device that can harm devil may in fact do harm on human. If Mr. JB electronic health device work, don't be surprise if you find money out of nowhere....

Now, I would like to see if modern science can explain the existance and the relation between human world and jin world. If you want to see proof of their existense, ask some TV station here for archive. I don't see it explained it current atomic model. And because of this, I don't see a reason to trust many of modern science theory. And I trust that COP>1 is possible and can be done as long as we use the correct understanding.

I am very grateful for John Bedini, Peter Lindeman and everyone here for radiant charger. I may not achieve COP>1 yet, but found it to be very capable charger.

[linesrg]

I haven't changed

John,

As we seem to be having a dialogue in a public forum let's continue it.

I haven't changed is the first thing that needs establishing. My interest in your work (and that of others remains), I am far more concerned at the route things have gone since the involvement of one individual, whose influence far exceeds his capabilities.

I have built a great many drivatives of your devices. I have communicated with just about everybody who has been prominent on most forums in the last 7 years.

Your devices make great battery chargers, I have told people this continuously for years. I have built solid state SG's, rotor based SG's and Tesla switches. I have tried every derivative of circuit you have proposed that I know of. I have previously frequently published my results which were broadly in line with the best that others were reporting.

At the point the original Monopole group broke up and I was recording the results of the original tests as proposed by Brett I started querying certain people's results as they weren't following any kind of protocol. You have set the standard as being based on batteries C20 rate which means the load has to be calculated for the size battery being tested. This ensured we were comaping apples with apples as you guys say your side of the pond. Thus misleading results were being gathered by people who hadn't a clue about such things as Peukert.

It also appears that if you maintain a strict test regime over a period of time the results do deteriorate i.e. 2 weeks.

I do wish people would stop trying to trip me up on the basic thrust of my argument.

In all this time it remains a fact that a rotor based SG has a front to back efficiency of around 35% (not allowing for any mechanical recovery). I don't measure the output power of an SG, I measure what I get out of batteries charged by an SG and I measure what goes in.

I have built a full 6 coil SG as demonstrated by yourself. I spent some considerable time balancing diodes and transistors and then adjusting the position of each coil to try and get everything happening at the right time.

I have tried 12 and 24V combinations, I have used large battery banks of 1350AHrs wired up with copper pipe and large/ multiple cables.

I have seen what happens to mains based power supplies when driving large SG's as I've had three 35/ 50A FWBR fail on me.

I have seen that there are some benefits to running an SG hooked up to an aerial and a ground rod - something particularly promoted by Aaron.

I have built your patented capacative charger and had it fail.

In all this time and after discussions with many others I have failed to achieve anything really significant - that is a fact. I don't hide it.

But here's the rub - everybody else is in the same boat otherwise they wouldn't be here.

The reason I'm less personally active now is that I have recognised or thought that my absence of engineering skills may have been a contributory factor and that my inability to build things with sufficient engineering skill may have been a contributory factor. That doesn't seem to have helped either.

We (Dave R, Clive S, Lee and myself) are not about to declare the Kromrey a failure. I admire Dave's determination with this. You know we set out a sort of 'Custer's Last Stand' on this device. Some considerable time has been expended on it and I believe it is more than adequately engineered.

The one big issue with all of your devices remains the calculation of figures.

It needs to be kept simple. We need to know the energy input and the energy output, either directly or from a battery or driving another device in turn.

The manipulation of figures that has gone on and our being told to 'ignore' the input energy is laughable.

Let's take a comparison shall we. I have a total of 48off 80W solar PV panels at home now ( I wish I lived in a sunnier climate). The panels are about 15% efficient or the like on a good day. The inverters I use (SMA Sunny Boy SB2500) are about 94% efficient.

Ignoring the efficiency of the panels, essentially for every 100W of energy the panels put into the inverter I get 94W out. This is incontrovertible, readily demonstrated and understood by everybody.

If I take an SG, for every 100W I put in I get maybe 35W out (ignoring the mechanical again).

Even if I add the mechanical to this figure the SMA inverter is more efficient than your SG.

If anybody wants to contest this I revert to my original offer about my being perpared to travel anywhere in the world to be convinced by way of a demonstration that there is something fundamental I'm missing and that includes Couer d'Alene - Idaho!!

Regards

Richard

[stevie1001]

its dissapointment speaking

Wow, John has put more proprietary company info into the public domain
that anyone I know - his patents are goldmines, which HAVE SCHEMATICS.

I have always failed to understand why people want to cripple themselves
by allowing themselves to be locked to specific schematics. John and Peter
both have given out a lot of schematics over the years and if anyone
understands them, in concept, then anyone can design their own schematics, which is what empowers someone.

When I built my first roller skate wheel motor, I didn't even know what a
transistor was but it was common sense enough to see the b,c,e
on the diagram on the package and any 3 year old that has a coloring
book and did a connect-the-dots could apply the same skills to knowing
what wire went to what dot. For a while, I saw the energizer through
the eyes of the schematic and realized that the mechanics of the
circuit aren't as important as knowing what the circuit is doing - for
years I have seen the SG as a gas pump/valve - I don't even see it as
an electric circuit.

Obviously many people, even skeptics, have no problem getting the wheel
to spin and of course tuning is another matter all together, which is easier
when "knowing what the energy is" but the skeptics are looking at a non-
conventional circuit through the eyes of conventional electron theory
models. Well, if I saw someone try to translate a Chinese document and
they have a language degree in French, I would honestly think they should
probably be committed because it is insane. I mean literally in the full
psychological sense, it is totally and completely psychotic.

A couple years after I first met John, he told me, "You have to know what
the energy is." Looking at it from this perspective, it makes all the
difference in the world because you can just use common sense to make
your own circuits that apply certain concepts to get the results you want.
I may not know what the energy is, but I think I have a pretty good idea
and it has enabled me to innovate my own circuits that continually do
what the skeptics say can't be done.

These days, I consider common sense to be "out of the box" for most
people, which is a crying shame.

Steve, you say you're impressed with the work Peter and John have you
done with what they did share? You turn around and say they're
grumpy old men and you want them to post schematics and you sign off
with Peace and Love?

I came up with the idea for this forum for the purpose of positive and
constructive sharing. This is our home and anyone that comes into it,
pulls their pants down and pees on the floor is simply not welcome or
appreciated.

It isn't skepticism I have a problem with, there are threads here discussing
a "case against overunity" and whatever. That's fine, I'm all for anyone
expressing their own beliefs but don't insult or disrespect the members
of this forum. John and Peter can obviously stand their own ground but
this is my home and this is unacceptable to me.

Like all the rest of the skeptics who don't understand or appreciate what
is spread out all over the internet for years, you make demands, insult
the ones sharing the info and ask for more. Would you do the same thing
to someone in person? You'd probably be knocked for a loop in one second
flat.

This is seriously disturbing and
is absolutely indicative of some serious cognitive dissonance. There are
two contradictory thought processes going on at the same time and
only one is yours, you really should figure out what the other one is,
I already know the answer. This isn't some cute way of putting things,
this other process going on is literally what is responsible for this world
being in so much trouble and very soon, I'll make it very easy for people
to solve it for themselves. Tyson is right, it isn't about money.

After meeting John and learning some legitimate concepts, it strengthened
my relationship with God beyond anything I ever imagined because it is
a holistic science that doesn't insanely compartmentalize and isolate
concepts so the left hand doesn't know the right. It integrates and
unifies so many things on so many levels that it has brought more light
into the area of unconscious incompetence beyond all other fields.

Having a spiritual perspective of life and "saving the world" isn't about
sitting in a circle, holding hands singing kumbaya waiting for the world
to be saved. It is about eternal vigilance and taking responsibility and
making no excuses. It is about busting one's own butt to make our own
lives how we want it so that we can only blame ourselves in the end
for anything that we think we haven't been given.

Many people are brainwashed into believing "Good things come to those
who wait." Even though Lincoln is greatly responsible for the downfall of
American freedom, that isn't even what he said and despite his treason
against the American people, his original ENTIRE quote is a pretty good
one:

"Good things come to those who wait, but only things left behind by those who hustle." — Abraham Lincoln

That is 180 degrees opposite of what the first half of the quote means
by itself. I know one thing, I'm not going to be one of those that are
left with the crumbs.

Steve, you're welcome to post and can be as skeptical as you want but
please leave your demands and insults out of it. This is to every skeptic
that is reading this.

Aaron,

Its dissapointment speaking.
You may clean my post, if you want. At least i say where i stand. Just hope that that is appriciated in a free world of thinking.
Didnt know how to say it in other words either. No bad words where choosen.

Yes, i was/am impressed by the knowledge of many people like John and Peter for example. Thats a compliment.
But the more i learned about these subjects, the more i came to my senses and realised that some of them didnt tell the whole story.
And thats what i cannot understand at all. Call me ignorant.
Yes, i seen the schematics of JB and i seen the much of Peters work.
But i know for sure that great minds like they have, must be able to think much bigger. And they absolutely do. But why not sharing those thoughts?

Peter is probably right with the fact that building a good OU system is not done with kitchen equipment. Then why not telling us about what systems he is thinking about , when he talks about that?
Why is he making that decision for us?
Maybe we are in a position where we can get money and build a nice clean powerplant. The less polution the better.
The world is changing. Green is not a bad word anymore. Investors see that.
We need them. They need us.
Now we need the good idea's.
If someone really knows, then there is always a solution to find. If you want money, then just say so. Make a deal. If money isnt the issue, then share.
Its that simple.

For me, life is too short. I hope to be able to make a change for the good.
You all can....if you really want.

Steve

[Aaron]

earth rod / antenna

I have seen that there are some benefits to running an SG hooked up to an aerial and a ground rod

I'm happy to see your acknowledgment that there is some benefit to it.
We spent a lot of time on that. Thank you.

[Aaron]

comments

But why not sharing those thoughts?

I see posts about some very powerful concepts that gives all kinds of
insight into how the machines work. I know I'm always learning something
new from them.

[patmac]

Ted & John B

I agree with you we have problems to get the results, but really I ever insist we have problems to identify the resonance in the batteries, really I can't identify it then How Can I Amplify it?.

If you say the battery can resonate maybe then the voltage make jumps up and down.... correct me if I wrong.