Solar Radiation Shielding

[thedude]

Hello everyone. I've been discovering more and more frequently, that increased solar activity over the next few years is indeed a distinct possibility. Couple that with serious claims that at times we have lost entire pole to pole bands of the magnetosphere lately and one begins to see how trouble could really be approaching as scheduled. I've found these types of warnings have been slowly been earning legitimate support for awhile now. Jessie Ventura is really helping to spread the word to help us all be motivated to be prepared with his new tv series on TruTV called "Conspiracy Theory with Jessie Ventura". His latest episode really put the proverbial fire under my ass. I've been following some of what Alex Jones has been talking about, but having Jessie on it helps alot.

I certain that i'm not alone in saying that i have felt something serious on the way. That is my personal feeling anyway. I'm no RV expert by any means but I'm beginning to have an almost dream like frame of reference for things lately. Hard to explain. Hope i'm not alone. Maybe i'm just becoming paranoid and theorizing too much. Help me out here guys. Let me know how you feel, i respect everyone's opinions and i'm really interested in saving as much time in development of this concept for obvious reasons.

Anyway, thats not really why i started this tread. However the previous info is a good precursor for why we might need a method for generating our own radiation shielding. For a discussion model i would like to hypothetically protect a room 24'x24', sub-level with a cement slab for a ceiling and a pit door entrance (I know, it sounds like a bunker).

I know that faraday cage will definitely help prevent electromagnetic spikes from surging though a protected area. ie: copper mesh lining of walls and ceiling. However will it provide any real protection from intense radiation from a biological perspective. Of course this would depend on the exact nature of intensity we are talking about. In the case of a direct hit from a coronal mass ejection from the sun with zero magneto-spheric protection from the earth, i've read that solar radiation can penetrate 100 or more feet into the earths crust. How good is a simple faraday cage? How much does concrete help and can anything be added to it?

Is there anything we can do to enhance a faraday cage. I know that even running a very small tesla coil (20watt consumption) at the right frequency radiates up to 8 to 10 feet away and will register amps on meters laying around disconnected. It is a field effect that i think i'm feeling. You know the tell tale buzzing sensations and stinging i'm talking about. I know it might sound slightly unsafe but would the cage be tied into the primary of the tesla coil to help serve the path of the disruptive discharge of the circuit to some benefit? I've heard of a plasmic shield effect that has been developed by nasa but haven't been able to find anything on their sites to any specification.

I'm really hoping for some pearls of info to roll out on to this thread. I've done some searching but haven't really come of with anything that offers any unique level of protection. So until I have something better to offer i'll just hope to hear from some of you.

Edit- Was also wondering what sort of physical shapes might serve the best sort of deflection. When one looks at the sheer number of conical spheres as well as peeks in the roof design of the New World Airport, you can't help but wonder how that could be used as a distribution antennae of sorts. My gut tells me there is a technology outside what meets the eye with that roof top.


Thanks

[sucahyo]

Baron Karl Von Reichenbach found that sonambulism and the opposite sickness (sorry, forget) are caused by energy radiated from the sun and what reflected by the moon. According to his book this energy can transfer via metalic surface. This energy is best prevented by black loosely woven wool fabric.

According to BKVR the sun energy that can influence people is not electromagnetic or orgone. He call it od energy. An energy that can be seen by sensitives but can not be detected by termometer or other sensor device.

Sensitive people who can detect / receive inconvenience effect from sun / moon will not be protected by faraday cage. In one of BKVR experiment, a copper or other metal can transfer the energy from the roof to isolated black room with sensitive people in it, where high concentration can even make them puke or very sick.

[Stealth]

There are two metals that reduce radiation. Lead and zinc. Lead half lifes radiation, whereas zinc helps to eliminate the effects from high radiation. In Cheyrnoble, after the bad accident they had from their reactor explosion, the only thing that would grow for years were sunflower. Sunflowers are full of zinc. Each year they would harvest the sunflowers and dispose of them, just as they would hazardous waste. It will take a long time, but the sunflowers will someday reclaim the radiation enough for people to live there. The labs at White Sands studied all the data collected from their experiments with the Atomic bomb, trying to find a realistic way to survive a nuclear attack. I don't think they published their findings, but I have heard it was a combination of both metals that afforded the best protection. I don't know what proportions of each would be best. Maybe someone could gain access to these publications. Good Luck. Stealth

[thedude]

Baron Karl Von Reichenbach found that sonambulism and the opposite sickness (sorry, forget) are caused by energy radiated from the sun and what reflected by the moon. According to his book this energy can transfer via metalic surface. This energy is best prevented by black loosely woven wool fabric.

According to BKVR the sun energy that can influence people is not electromagnetic or orgone. He call it od energy. An energy that can be seen by sensitives but can not be detected by termometer or other sensor device.

Sensitive people who can detect / receive inconvenience effect from sun / moon will not be protected by faraday cage. In one of BKVR experiment, a copper or other metal can transfer the energy from the roof to isolated black room with sensitive people in it, where high concentration can even make them puke or very sick.

Thanks sucahyo. Very interesting. I did some reading on the Odic force (named for Odin the Norse God). I'm wishing that i could find more information detailing his experimental methodology. If he managed to induce a state of nausea through the use of this medium it does correlate with something mentioned on the Wikipedia site referencing a man named Alex Christopher and the New World Airport. "Alex Christopher claimed to have worked in the tunnels under the airport, and described what appeared to be vast holding areas for prisoners, strange nausea-inducing electromagnetic forces, and caverns big enough to drive trucks through" (excerpt taken from "Conspiracy Theories" heading) It would be interesting to know if there is any relevance to what is suggested about NW Airport and the Odic force suggested by Baron Karl Von Reichenbach (BKVR).

I have a number of questions if I am to presume the existence of a Odic force. BKVR's work was primarily ignored by mainstream science, but we've all heard that one before. I haven't found articles detailing the specifics of his scientific proof of the Od, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The use of "loosely woven wool" as possible barrier to that theoretical component of the solar radiation is interesting, as well as postulating that a copper metallic layer (like faraday cage) might actually serve to conduct that energy or force at a distance. I hope i'm interpreting correctly.

There are two metals that reduce radiation. Lead and zinc. Lead half lifes radiation, whereas zinc helps to eliminate the effects from high radiation. In Cheyrnoble, after the bad accident they had from their reactor explosion, the only thing that would grow for years were sunflower. Sunflowers are full of zinc. Each year they would harvest the sunflowers and dispose of them, just as they would hazardous waste. It will take a long time, but the sunflowers will someday reclaim the radiation enough for people to live there. The labs at White Sands studied all the data collected from their experiments with the Atomic bomb, trying to find a realistic way to survive a nuclear attack. I don't think they published their findings, but I have heard it was a combination of both metals that afforded the best protection. I don't know what proportions of each would be best. Maybe someone could gain access to these publications. Good Luck. Stealth

Excellent Stealth, thanks. I was aware of lead, but not so much zinc. Time to start looking in to industrial marine paints i believe. I found a company that sells zinc primers
made for marine applications to avoid corrosion by repelling oxidization.

Interesting side note relating to zinc paint. It can kill ya. :P At least when your installing carpets in lifeboats for a Pacific Princess Cruise line and painters unwittingly throw tarps over top of the lifeboat your in and begin to spray paint it. It happened to me in Victoria, B.C. in 1992. My self and another carpet installer were nearly anaesthetized by the vapours very quickly. I had looked over to see the other guy leaning against the bench he was cutting up to with turf with his eyes nearly closed. Things started to get kinda fuzzy and filled with static and i groped for tarp to get the painters to stop. There were four of them in full air circulating suits. They were very upset to see us in there. I felt a bit ill after ward and was sent home with pay for 2 days by Oceancraft Marine Inc. Site medical said we wouldn't have had very long to live in that boat. I'll try to add some of the safety sheets on it to satisfy my curiosity.

Thanks to you both for your info.

[amigo]

I am not so sure that loosely woven wool will stop a hit of CME. Baron's experiments involved the subtle forces and CME is anything but.

Needless to say, I have also spent some time thinking about these kinds of thoughts thedude has. It appears not many people do have them so I'm happy that at least a few of us share these "lunatic" thoughts (Yey, I used lunatic in the same post with a reference to Baron Reichenbach).

Question is exactly what are we shielding from, Solar Plasma or Ionizing Radiation, or both?

Presumably the Earth's magnetosphere fails at some point and offers no protection to the Biosphere below. There is still Atmosphere though, so some level of filtration still exists, else there would be no point (no air - no life).

Thus, obvious direction to me would be to supplement/mimic the Earth's Magnetosphere on a smaller scale (around the bunker, personal protection, etc) and enhance local atmospheric protection at the same time.

One needs to block the plasma as well as the ionizing radiation that precedes it (it being mostly high energy positively charged particles that rip electrons off anything they come in contact with, including people, thus ionizing them).

I'll stop here to hear what the rest of you think, before proceeding further.

[sucahyo]

The labs at White Sands studied all the data collected from their experiments with the Atomic bomb, trying to find a realistic way to survive a nuclear attack.

For emp protection, there are tips from wiki and online books:
http://www.energeticforum.com/68141-post5.html

I'm wishing that i could find more information detailing his experimental methodology.

BKVR books can be downloaded here:
Researches on magnetism, electricity ... - Google Books

BKVR has test many kind of material to screen or conduct od energy.

scary story on paint poisoning.

Question is exactly what are we shielding from, Solar Plasma or Ionizing Radiation, or both?

Yes, what kind of energy from solar that can make us sick? If it is because being exposed to light then a simple non transparent shielding is enough.


And if we make an alternate organic/ metalic material, we have orgone accumulator....

[Inquorate]

I do feel ''something coming'' but I think it is not from the sun, but outside the galaxy. I meditated just now, and in all honest craziness, I had the impression of 'when the solar flares are suppressed, the time has come'

Now, I take that with a grain of salt the size of the moon; probably complete nonsense.

However, if dr paul laviolette's interview with project camelot (on yt or google videos) are anything to go on, it's radiation or cosmic rays from 'outside', not a changing sun, that are a possible cause of increased skin cancer.

I've got no solutions to share, but I don't believe what is coming will be quite as cataclysmic as popular media is now portraying. Having said that though, I've been moving away from the coast for years now.

Let the chips fall where they may.

[thedude]

Heya Inq!

Thanks for everyone's input here.
I've had a few days to consider a possible method of construction for my surface level concrete slab. I am considering actually embedding my faraday (copper mesh) layer into the cement where it might serve a dual purpose of blocking some EMP as well as increase structural stability (added strength to rebar layer). Following the curing of the slab a layer of leaded paint on the top of the surface should help lower radiation exposure within the bunker.

* Note - warning on the use of lead based paints.
Lead paint that is intact--with no cracking, chipping or wear--is considered unlikely to pose health risks, but if your home might contain lead paints, watch for:

- Peeling, chipping, or cracking paints.
- Areas susceptible to wear and tear that causes cracking or exposure to underlying layers of paints on stair railings, banisters, window sills, door frames, porches and fences.
- Lead dust that results when paint is sanded or dry scraped.
- Lead in the soil surrounding your home, caused by flaking lead paints on its exterior, since it's a risk to children playing outdoors and in a prime spot to be tracked inside on shoes.

Beneath the concrete slab (once curred), I would like to then use a Zinc based paint to coat the underside of the slab. I don't believe there is any environmental issues involved with Zinc paint aside from avoiding inhalation when spraying it.

Then following BKVR's advice (thanks sucahyo for link to his book, I'm downloading it now) I would attach a few thin wool blankets to the ceiling to present a barrier to prevent the effects that he describes are as a result of the Odic force.

Any one with any other layers of protection to suggest?

I found the link to the Nasa webpage that points out the real possibility of a "shields down Scotty!" situation.

Thanks to all.

[sucahyo]

I would attach a few thin wool blankets to the ceiling to present a barrier to prevent the effects that he describes are as a result of the Odic force.

Remember that when you alternate organic with unorganic you are creating orgone accumulator or at least a capacitor capable of creating lethal shock.

[Mark]

If anybody wants to see the Ventura special they can see it here Review:Jesse Ventura:2012 Apocalypse Conspiracy Theory - PESWiki

[dambit]

Hi Dude,

I have doubts as to weather or not the zinc or lead paint will have much of an effect. It is so thin! It will cost more, but lining the walls with sheet metal will be far more effective.

As far as using alternating layers and Orgone goes, I think it would be a great idea to make this "bunker" into an Orgone Accumulator. If anything were to happen it would not only help protect you but double as a healing room of sorts. Something to think about.

Cheers,

Steve.

[thedude]

Hey Dambit.

I hear ya on the thinness of the lead layers. I had the same thought but hadn't investigated very far into realistic alternatives. Its pretty obvious I'm kinda sorting out a hypothetical model in this thread. :P This is why its cool having this much input. I found this site that stocks sheet lead designed specifically for radiation shielding
I will call them tomorrow. Although i'm a little worried about the actual price of sheet lead, not to mention the shipping. :P As far as Zinc based paint is concerned though, i would consider even a small layer of zinc based paint on the interior of a bunker as beneficial in that it would be used in aiding in the neutralizing of radiation already penetrated within. If even a small amount can help clean a already contaminated interior space I'm all for it. Zinc prevents oxidation and rust, would be good for that at least. :P
I have heard of a orgone accumulator but knew very little about them. I am doing some reading on it now and i'm very interested in the properties of such a device. Its interesting because it actually describes the process it performs as "irradiation". I found some plans in a less than desirable format and decided to screenshot some enlarged jpeg copies. Since i had them in photoshop anyway i decided to make a pdf for anyone who wants a pdf copy of the construction plans for a Orgone Generator Hope pdf works.(edit- pdf IS buggy but works, scroll down to resolve the images, added jpegs to thread in case any are interested)

Thanks for that Dambit.
Going to do some study on these devices. Please anyone with more info on them feel free to share.

[thedude]

I am not so sure that loosely woven wool will stop a hit of CME. Baron's experiments involved the subtle forces and CME is anything but.

Needless to say, I have also spent some time thinking about these kinds of thoughts thedude has. It appears not many people do have them so I'm happy that at least a few of us share these "lunatic" thoughts (Yey, I used lunatic in the same post with a reference to Baron Reichenbach).

Question is exactly what are we shielding from, Solar Plasma or Ionizing Radiation, or both?

Presumably the Earth's magnetosphere fails at some point and offers no protection to the Biosphere below. There is still Atmosphere though, so some level of filtration still exists, else there would be no point (no air - no life).

Thus, obvious direction to me would be to supplement/mimic the Earth's Magnetosphere on a smaller scale (around the bunker, personal protection, etc) and enhance local atmospheric protection at the same time.

One needs to block the plasma as well as the ionizing radiation that precedes it (it being mostly high energy positively charged particles that rip electrons off anything they come in contact with, including people, thus ionizing them).

I'll stop here to hear what the rest of you think, before proceeding further.

I'm with you on this as well Amigo. i was mentioning that I believe there to be a most definite field effect involved with high voltage disruptive discharges of even low amplitude devices. I have a couple bedini oscillators that i drive 2 phased ignition coils across a small spark gap with and at the right frequencies i notice fragments of copper and solder wire move about on the table adjacent to the primary coil of a small tesla coil as well as the wire leading to it. That suggests pretty clearly that there is either a ionic wind being generated there or some strange electromagnetic phenomenon that i'm not qualified to describe properly is in play. I've been able to drive this oscillator to the effect of a disruptive discharge on as little as 2-3watts DC. I am theorizing that a faraday cage could be simply hooked up to the primary of a disruptive discharge similar to a Tesla coil to some benefit. I would love to actually do some experimentation with some copper mesh. Exactly how is the next question.

[sucahyo]

Thanks, the pdf works .

However, I rather concern about:

Under no circumtances should one sit in the accumulators for hours. This can cause serious damage. In a three fold acuumulator one session should not be longer than 30 minutes at a time

Really not preferable for bunker. Completely the opposite of hexagonal honey bee house where two hours of exposure is safe, it can even remove the pain of a headache.

I think the bunker should be build with the metal part outside, not inside.

[thedude]

Thanks, the pdf works .

However, I rather concern about:
Really not preferable for bunker. Completely the opposite of hexagonal honey bee house where two hours of exposure is safe, it can even remove the pain of a headache.

I think the bunker should be build with the metal part outside, not inside.

Sucahyo you actually mentioned the orgone accumulator in an earlier post. :P opps missed that.
Ya i'm kinda concerned for conductive metals within the interior as well. If a faraday cage could serve to conduct radiation while protecting from EMP then it might well be made to do the opposite and repel radiation while serving as the conveyance from the primary of a HV spark gap. This is completely a theory only. Anyone with thoughts feel free to chastise me.