Erasing concepts of gravity

[Armagdn03]

Every piece of matter breaks the symmetry of the aether and results
in "energy" a movement of potential that feeds and gives life to the
subatomic particles.

I thought I had elaborated on this.

I agree to an extent. Every piece of matter is by nature dipole in one form or another, meaning that it will mirror its effects throughout its surrounding environment, where ever that may be. All matter has particular frequencies which are not only its fingerprint, but also define its characteristics. I believe in mass energy equivalence as you know, and I also believe energy manifests in cyclic alternations about a local zero. Therefore all matter is harmonically related. A favorite paper of mine which goes into this, which is based off of a very very simple ma thematic principle, describes how a frequency can loose energy to its many harmonics, how frequencies can feed and sustain other frequencies.



Harmonics Theory Physics and Maths

But also, amazingly, it works the other way around too! the many frequencies which were fed, can also work in tandem to feed many other frequencies! Everything is cyclically fed and feeding, in alteration.

In this chart you can see heavy energy flow dictated by thick blue lines, You can see that energy input at "1" breaks up (many times we call this heat or loss)among many harmonics. However you can see that as you go down the line the energy eventually accumulates again, that is incredible to say the least. Also, reality is not limmited to this, the graph would be infinitely larger covering an infinite spectrum of frequencies and harmonics, and the number one would be fed as would all frequencies.

So essentially you are correct. However I do not agree with the terminology of aether, but we can agree to disagree on that point.

The thing is that many of the things you hold and know to be true such as what you described above, probably are true, and can fit in easily with a theory which is in line with reality.

[Armagdn03]

About battery charging, ok. Also remember that during electrolysis of water, a difference of cell potential of less 1.24V produce endothermic reaction, and produce exothermic reaction if more. Since conventional charger never charge bellow the critical voltage, we can assume that all charging are heat up battery. In real life, I never experience cooling.


I don't agree with that. I don't think distortion is the cause of non spherical orbit. You make it sound that planet can have dented sphere orbit too. I don't really understand the concept though. But I explain if needed. I hope this image bellow is not off topic.







notice that the sea is not only attracted to the moon, but also repulsed by the moon.

Are you saying that planet held in its orbit because of this ring? And this is a ring of gravity? and this only activated at very long distance and do not start near it source so there is no gravity band detected bellow earth atmosphere?



I attach the periodic table I prefer. But, why we need periodic table for?

No your image is not off topic at all. However the soap bubble analogy was flawed and only and example. In reality imagine all of these celestial bodies are all moving around, all influence each other to the extent of the inverse square ratio, but no space is empty, so all space influences, induces, and exists alongside all other space. All these planets and suns and galexies are continually moving to find an agreement between all other bodies. So orbits are not dented, they softly adjust their shape because they move with respect to their local atmosphere, other bodies etc. Also all things have cycles even things such as suns, they are born, grow live and die, durring this process, it is likely things such as orbits will be affected.


As to your photo describing various trajectories of man made projectiles into orbits. The question is, what orbit does the projectile take after many cycles in orbit. It will probably follow an orbit that is an agreement with its own potential, the potential of the planet, the sun and all other bodies, just as the earth finds its proper rotation around the sun, and ALL of these things are just trying to stay in their EQUI-POTENTIAL zones, any removal from this causes a force to appear to adjust till it can find a neutral location again.

[Armagdn03]

Imagine that you are in a black box floating in space weightless. Attatched to you is the best equipment possible for measuring gravity! This is your only clue as to what is happening since you cannot see anything outside of the box for reference.

Now your buddies move the box into the earths gravity. You feel a gravitational accelleration of -9.83 meters per second squared, and you note that you "weigh" 200lbs on a scale between you and the box. (here the negative refers to direction, since it is a vector and you need both direction and magnitude)

Now you are back in weightless space. And your buddies decide to push you, constantly accelerating, at say, oh say -9.83 meters per second. You notice you weigh 200lbs on the scale, and your gravitational measurement equipment measured the same as on earth.

Now Your buddies tie a string to you a mile long and spin you. You push against the wall and scale, and notice you weigh 200 pounds. So you check your gravity measuring equipment, and low and behold it says you are experiancing an accelleration of -9.83 meters!

Wow! all three of these distinct forces cause the same effect!

All particles of your body are moved in one direction with respect to your environment in every case, you feel a net force upon you.

Whether it is rotational acceleration(centrifugal force), gravitational acceleration, or acceleration acceleration , to us the observer its all the same.

This means that what we are after is not some fictitious force called "Gravity" (which could apply to any acceleratory force) what we care about are the net effects of all of the accelerations, all of which are the same in nature, but pointed in different directions, the net of which our scale reads....in this case 200 pounds.

Then we realize the futility of negating gravity like its a magnetic field. That would be like negating the effect we feel on the spinning rides at the fair like they are emitting some type of magnetic like field which is throwing us around.

Think about a centrifuge device, it spins, causing an acceleratory force, which causes dense material to head in one direction, and less dense material to head in the other direction. The materials feel a force making them move either inward or outward till they reach a zone of equal potential, and agreement with their surroundings and stop. JUST LIKE EARTH, a centrifuge creates what for all intensive purposes is a local gravity field just by spinning. THIS VERY SAME SPIN which causes this "false" gravity field.....wait for it.....also causes an ELECTRICAL POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INNER PORTION TOWARDS THE AXIS AND THE OUTER PERIPHERY!! One could call this a radial potential difference because the gradient lies along the radii of the rotating "centrifuge (aka earth, spinning disk etc...) like the spokes on a bike. This is the same potential difference that appears with other "gravity" fields like here on earth where our potential gradient is radial as well. Think DePalma.

[Aaron]

same concept

I totally agree. The effect is the same. Gravity is when mass is "passive" to the effect, inertia is when mass is active to the effect, etc... the bottom
line interaction is the same if we take out frames of reference.

My approach to negating "gravity", inertia, etc... is actually the same
for all different situations. In the "aether" model, it is deflecting the
aether around the mass and is for a ship on the Earth or a ship moving
thru space or whatever. But I do absolutely see them as being the same
action on mass. So tackling one solves them all. I know you're not in the
"aether" camp, but conceptually, I think we're identical.

[DavidE]

I think the Rodin Coil/math helps us think about and visualize the phenomenological domain called existence.

The maximum state of potential is at the center. All forces, matter, are drawn in by one side, cmpressed and expelled by the other. Maximum organized states occur at the equator of the folding and unfolding process.

Capacity to move about is a function of being able to produce a prevailing force, relative to other forces in the local environment and broader natural existence construction/deconstruction force.

Want to command the spectrum of attraction or repulsion? Induce a neutral state (i.e. create a non-local plasma field) from within the bubble induce directional charges relative to the local prevailing charge forces.

[Armagdn03]

I like Rodin. He is what I might consider a Mystic. He has an intuitive direction he is following and looks internally for answers. Most people of this character are shunned for their insight, even though it is as valid as any other and guides us like any other, most just ignore it.

I believe however that there are Those who are more advanced in their understanding than others. And if we want to learn, we must go as close to the horses mouth as possible to get guidance.

In this arena, I think that Rodin is a newcomer, and there are many people who have a much more complete and comprehensive view than good Old Marco R.

If you would like a list of good reading, here are a few intellegent minds that are worth reading for thier prespectives on reality. These all correlate with one anothed and agree, though they are from different sources, different times etc.

Here is a short list or authors whose works you may look into:

Walter Russell
Seth - As channeled by Jane Roberts
Elias - As channeled by Mary Ennis

This one is a complete work by a group as channeled by Aaty Olsen

"The alchemical (by the start people)."

This is an odd group I know. Hard to believe that we are looking for science from such corners. Many of these individuals or intelligences have incredible insight and foresight into natural order. "Seth" appears in several new books on Quantum Mechanics for his insight into observation relativity, He has an incredible bank of knowlege that would be very hard for any one individual to accumulate in their short lives. Russell pointed out the missing elements from our periodic table that were necessary for the nuclear age, then also wrote a paper warning us of atomic suicide Decades before we had even thought to use nuclear power!!!! Elias was a student of Seth at one point before their paths diverged but fleshes out details very nicely, and with fantastic well thought out arguments.

Rodin is interesting, but maybe there is something to take from him, and the others listed on this page. Perhaps we should not turn to other people to always learn. This is a good method. But many times, turning to ones self....Reflection....Meditation....Self reliance and belief can give us an insight from within that is as solid as it comes. Also this lends to humility, allowing us to learn from those who we feel know more (rather than viewing them as challengers) and helps us teach those who want to learn.

[sucahyo]

A favorite paper of mine which goes into this, which is based off of a very very simple ma thematic principle, describes how a frequency can loose energy to its many harmonics, how frequencies can feed and sustain other frequencies.
Harmonics Theory Physics and Maths

This is a new concept for me, since I believe resonance is a way to gain energy, not to loose it.

It sound like if you build a device with precision so that it will have many harmonic/octave it resonate to, it will make quieter tone.

However the soap bubble analogy was flawed and only and example. In reality imagine all of these celestial bodies are all moving around, all influence each other to the extent of the inverse square ratio, but no space is empty, so all space influences, induces, and exists alongside all other space. All these planets and suns and galexies are continually moving to find an agreement between all other bodies. So orbits are not dented, they softly adjust their shape because they move with respect to their local atmosphere, other bodies etc. Also all things have cycles even things such as suns, they are born, grow live and die, durring this process, it is likely things such as orbits will be affected.

Are saying that unseen object/force occupying "empty space"?

Are you saying that mars might travel different orbit each time because it adjust with earth?

Now Your buddies tie a string to you a mile long and spin you. You push against the wall and scale, and notice you weigh 200 pounds. So you check your gravity measuring equipment, and low and behold it says you are experiancing an accelleration of -9.83 meters!

That is what they do at earth for astronot training:
Zero-gravity flight experience: Zero Gravity Space simulation


However, that is not the device we want to achieve isn't it? A device that only work for one observer, but not to the rest?

[Allcanadian]

@sucahyo

Are saying that unseen object/force occupying "empty space"?

Empty space?, I think this term is ambiguous at best if you consider the consequences. If we look up at the night sky we can see many stars like our sun and we know these stars can radiate light (EM radiation) for hundreds of light years in every direction thus we can say the empty space between every star must be filled with light. We also know suns or stars radiate a spectrum of wavelengths covering much of the EM spectrum from long wavelengths of thousands of miles to smaller wavelengths in the upper TerraHertz which may have wavelengths near the diameter of the particles which constitute atoms themselves. All this empty space which is not occupied by stars or other matter such as planets,moons,comets and asteroids would seem to be occupied by EM energy in transition from stars to everything else. I have often wondered, have these people who believe any space could be empty ever looked up into the night sky and considered the consequences of even a single star radiating EM energy? It does not even require a great stretch of the imagination as these are known facts, all we have to do is look up. On the other hand if we believe space-- any space is empty then we have admitted that energy must have moved from one space to another without occupying every space in between and that is one leap of faith I personally cannot accept.
Regards
AC

[Aaron]

spaced out

AC, I think that is a great point.

I think if space was "empty", all planets, stars and other matter
would suddenly all instantly come clinging together into one big lump of
matter - because a true vacuum would pull everything together.

You mention all the "energies" traveling through space as we know there
are all kinds of xrays, etc... But do you think they can travel through a
true "vacuum", which doesn't have an "aether" or do you think those
xrays and other spectrum do actually need a medium to travel through?

Vaccum is misleading since it is full of aether in my opinion.

A more accurate term for "outer space" is Plenum since that describes
space that is actually filled fully with an "aether".

[aljhoa]

AC, I think that is a great point.

I think if space was "empty", all planets, stars and other matter
would suddenly all instantly come clinging together into one big lump of
matter - because a true vacuum would pull everything together.

You mention all the "energies" traveling through space as we know there
are all kinds of xrays, etc... But do you think they can travel through a
true "vacuum", which doesn't have an "aether" or do you think those
xrays and other spectrum do actually need a medium to travel through?

Vaccum is misleading since it is full of aether in my opinion.

A more accurate term for "outer space" is Plenum since that describes
space that is actually filled fully with an "aether".

Tsunami and sound waves propagate in water and electrical current (3-D wave) to propagate needs a “conductor” like air or metal. Thus electromagnetic energy (multidimensional wave) of the sun needs also a medium to propagate i.e. fabric of space or aether.
Therfore there is no gravity as water clouds are pushed towards the earth that created a gradient in the fabric of space.
Magellanic clouds are also good examples of lack of gravity in the fabric of space.

Enjoy
Fantastic Trip

Al

[Aaron]

mechanical analogy?

Enjoy
Fantastic Trip

Al

Thanks Al, nice book! That is meditation technique by the way

Also doing the same with progressing backwards to childhood as early
as can be remembered and going forward into probable future.

I agree, a medium is needed.

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@Armagdn03,

I like the concept of seeing the net force.

You gave an electric demo for antigravity, which I agree with but
of course with the aether model.

Do you have one for a mechanical analogy? How to make a
wheel or pendulum type object have a net force upwards?

[Armagdn03]

This is a new concept for me, since I believe resonance is a way to gain energy, not to loose it.

I never said it was not a way to gain energy, what I said was that it was both a way to gain and loose energy, that things both feed, and are fed by ambient energies.

It sound like if you build a device with precision so that it will have many harmonic/octave it resonate to, it will make quieter tone.

Im not quite sure what you are getting at, could you rephrase?

Are saying that unseen object/force occupying "empty space"?

Absolutely not. Allcanadian hit the nail on the head, which is in essence the heart of eccentric transformer theory and the mechanism for energy propagation in general. When a point source radiates a field, there are eddies (circular currents in opposition to the source) in any and all materials in the vicinity. All space itself acts as a secondary, and thus energy propagates, through even the tenuous matter of "space" as "light" though this covers an infinite spectrum.

Are you saying that mars might travel different orbit each time because it adjust with earth?

No. However orbits do change over time. Everything is in an agreement with everything else and over time movements become predictable and stable. If there were some large event that disturbed a huge area, there may be disarray as things settle, however there would always be a net balance, and everything would always act according to the forces which attempt to return the situation to equilibrium. Also As I said earlier, celestial bodies like all matter, have life cycles, as suns grow live and die, their orbits change accordingly

That is what they do at earth for astronot training:
Zero-gravity flight experience: Zero Gravity Space simulation


However, that is not the device we want to achieve isn't it? A device that only work for one observer, but not to the rest?

Many things are only a matter of frame of reference...but should they be?

[Armagdn03]

Thanks Al, nice book! That is meditation technique by the way

Also doing the same with progressing backwards to childhood as early
as can be remembered and going forward into probable future.

I agree, a medium is needed.

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@Armagdn03,

I like the concept of seeing the net force.

You gave an electric demo for antigravity, which I agree with but
of course with the aether model.

Do you have one for a mechanical analogy? How to make a
wheel or pendulum type object have a net force upwards?

I think the answer can be found within the gyroscope or spinning top. As the top spins with enough velocity its rotational axis aligns itself with the gravitational gradient. As they begin to slow, during the precession, the top leans to the side and manipulates the "flow" of gravity, bending it. It cannot escape it, it weighs the same, but manipulation is obvious.

As I pointed out in previous examples also, electric motion and rotation are closely related. For example, the sine wave relationship of the natural AC propagation of energy is based on rotation about the unit circle. Thus AC or sine waves are evidence of rotation. As an electron or charged particle of any sort enters a magnetic field, a rotary force is felt, this is how magnetron in microwaves work. As particles enter our earths magnetic atmosphere they begin to spiral, causing an equivalent frequency giving us the northern and southern lights.


I don't have all the answers, but this is where I would start to look next.

[sucahyo]

On the other hand if we believe space-- any space is empty then we have admitted that energy must have moved from one space to another without occupying every space in between and that is one leap of faith I personally cannot accept.

I think if space was "empty", all planets, stars and other matter would suddenly all instantly come clinging together into one big lump of matter - because a true vacuum would pull everything together.

I see "empty space" just like I see a distance cloud. There is air between me and the cloud. The cloud may get up there because of the air. But what make the cloud move or change shape is not the air, it's the wind.

It sound like if you build a device with precision so that it will have many harmonic/octave it resonate to, it will make quieter tone.

Im not quite sure what you are getting at, could you rephrase?

A physical music instrument do not produce perfect sine wave. Each has different tone color/timbre. A crude instrument may produce multiple frequency, and thus less resonance at it's octave and harmonics. Tuning (during production by changing shape/material) can make the instrument more focused at one frequency and thus get more resonant to it's octave and harmonics.

My question relate to the loudness of the sound produced by precisionly build physical music instrument compared to the crude one.

[Armagdn03]

I see "empty space" just like I see a distance cloud. There is air between me and the cloud. The cloud may get up there because of the air. But what make the cloud move or change shape is not the air, it's the wind.



A physical music instrument do not produce perfect sine wave. Each has different tone color/timbre. A crude instrument may produce multiple frequency, and thus less resonance at it's octave and harmonics. Tuning (during production by changing shape/material) can make the instrument more focused at one frequency and thus get more resonant to it's octave and harmonics.

My question relate to the loudness of the sound produced by precisionly build physical music instrument compared to the crude one.

Very true, they do not produce pure tones. I would be willing to bet that this is all in the ear of the beholder. Whether you want timbre, or pure tone you will choose different options.

sorry I did not understand your question, however this is a good line of thought. There could be many advantages to emitting a rich tone with harmonics. This shows up as one of the main themes of SEC technology, our sun and other natural point sources display a gamut of frequencies, this seems to be natural.