Erasing concepts of gravity

[ren]

Lets make use of my theory, and see if we cannot defy gravity and build ourselves an anti gravity device....


This is rarely seen as a result of most of our resonant coils because we alter their polarity about the ambient potential Because of this, the poles alternate with respect to the earth, and we alternately push then pull against the earth. Figure a way around this and you have what you are looking for.

I am really enjoying this thread guys. Alot of it is still over my head. But Im trying to soak it up.

As you have mentioned already Andrew, there are well known experiments already conducted in this area. I stumbled across this page some time ago, in which JLN used pulsed DC on his lifter, noticing a significant increase in efficiency.

Lifter Tests with a PULSED HIGH VOLTAGE

Im sure you have come across it before, but I wanted to ask, is this somehow relevant to what you are talking about, both in a broad sense, but more so in regards to your comment above on resonant coils?

If the direction of oscillations were directed one way instead of oscillating to and fro, does this achieve/fit the bill?

Sorry for my Noobie questions, just wanted in on the fun

Regards

[1NRG24Seven]

One of my mail goals in my scientific endeavors is to erase lines of separation which are not necessary. I contend that gravity and electromagnetics are redundant explanations of the same phenomenon. I will expound upon this with various sources, maths, derivations of those maths, charts and visuals etc. This should clear up my eccentric transformer thread from unnecessary clutter, and give an open forum for discussion on gravitics. I realize there is already another gravity forum, but this one has specific purpose in mind. Rather than just exploring the phenomenon, we will try to distill it.

I would like to share a story about a demonstration I was used for by an Inventor by the name if I recall correctly David Meyers.

This was back around 1991

I was invited to go to a public meeting with speaker David Meyers, the topic he was discussing was Tesla Technologies. At close to the end of the meeting he began to demonstrate some of his own inventions. He asked if anyone in the audience would volunteer to help him demonstrate his MONOPOLE magnets. I raised my hand and he chose me for an assistant. These magnets were 1" in dia and about 1" long shaped like a rod. I think they were stated to be neo. He then presented a aluminum tube with very thick wall of about 3/4" thickness, tube was about 2 feet long and about 3.5" outside diameter. He first dropped a quarter (coin) through the tube so everyone could get an idea of how fast it traveled down the tube as it landed in his hand at the bottom. Then he dropped one of these magnets down the tube which then floated down the inside of the tube like a feather taking its sweat time. He then handed me two monopole magnets, and being the skeptic that I am I played around with them for a moment and they attracted each other from any angle and all sides, they never repelled one another. My next thought was one was a regular magnet and the other just a plain piece of highly polished steel as they looked identical, and if they were it would explain why the attraction from all sides to the other. So I found a some steel nearby to test each one to make sure both were magnetic, they were. I then was to drop these down the tube so everyone in the audience could walk by and look down the tube to see the effect. After awhile I asked David a question, I said "What would happen if you were to spin this aluminum tube at high speed then drop the magnet down the hole, would it not propel the magnet upwards against gravity"? He said "Your smarter then I thought, but I am not able to talk about that under National Security Orders, I can only demonstrate other unrelated effects using monopole magnets" Now I also heard physicist say that if we could make monopole magnets it would emply anti gravity and free energy, well I have seen them with my own eyes they exist. And they do indeed create an anti gravity. I wish I could have gotten his personal phone number to contact him on how to make these magnets. If anyone has a clue how this might be done it might also help to understand how to cut the gravity field which I believe interacts with this type of magnetic field.

Good Day!!!...24

[Armagdn03]

I would like to share a story about a demonstration I was used for by an Inventor by the name if I recall correctly David Meyers.

This was back around 1991

I was invited to go to a public meeting with speaker David Meyers, the topic he was discussing was Tesla Technologies. At close to the end of the meeting he began to demonstrate some of his own inventions. He asked if anyone in the audience would volunteer to help him demonstrate his MONOPOLE magnets. I raised my hand and he chose me for an assistant. These magnets were 1" in dia and about 1" long shaped like a rod. I think they were stated to be neo. He then presented a aluminum tube with very thick wall of about 3/4" thickness, tube was about 2 feet long and about 3.5" outside diameter. He first dropped a quarter (coin) through the tube so everyone could get an idea of how fast it traveled down the tube as it landed in his hand at the bottom. Then he dropped one of these magnets down the tube which then floated down the inside of the tube like a feather taking its sweat time. He then handed me two monopole magnets, and being the skeptic that I am I played around with them for a moment and they attracted each other from any angle and all sides, they never repelled one another. My next thought was one was a regular magnet and the other just a plain piece of highly polished steel as they looked identical, and if they were it would explain why the attraction from all sides to the other. So I found a some steel nearby to test each one to make sure both were magnetic, they were. I then was to drop these down the tube so everyone in the audience could walk by and look down the tube to see the effect. After awhile I asked David a question, I said "What would happen if you were to spin this aluminum tube at high speed then drop the magnet down the hole, would it not propel the magnet upwards against gravity"? He said "Your smarter then I thought, but I am not able to talk about that under National Security Orders, I can only demonstrate other unrelated effects using monopole magnets" Now I also heard physicist say that if we could make monopole magnets it would emply anti gravity and free energy, well I have seen them with my own eyes they exist. And they do indeed create an anti gravity. I wish I could have gotten his personal phone number to contact him on how to make these magnets. If anyone has a clue how this might be done it might also help to understand how to cut the gravity field which I believe interacts with this type of magnetic field.

Good Day!!!...24

Many things can act as monopoles, but not in the sense that they only have one pole, they just have one pole facing outward. For example the electrical field of the earth has one pole towards the center and one pole facing space, their densities differ greatly. This is a fundamental property of many particles, some have a magnetic structure that is similar. Either way, if we are trying to get a net force pushing away from the earth, and the earth is a particle, then we should mimic nature and create a particle (vehicle) which repels earth, which sounds in line with what you are saying.

[Armagdn03]

I am really enjoying this thread guys. Alot of it is still over my head. But Im trying to soak it up.

As you have mentioned already Andrew, there are well known experiments already conducted in this area. I stumbled across this page some time ago, in which JLN used pulsed DC on his lifter, noticing a significant increase in efficiency.

Lifter Tests with a PULSED HIGH VOLTAGE

Im sure you have come across it before, but I wanted to ask, is this somehow relevant to what you are talking about, both in a broad sense, but more so in regards to your comment above on resonant coils?

If the direction of oscillations were directed one way instead of oscillating to and fro, does this achieve/fit the bill?

Sorry for my Noobie questions, just wanted in on the fun

Regards

I would definitely say this to be true. Almost all antigravity experiments involve high potential, and the highest potentials can be created for the least energy input through resonance. Therefore if you can create an oscillation which happens entirely above ambient energy state, much like an AC wave with a DC component, or pulsed dc, then you can achieve greater results. Also oscillation implies rotation, especially if coil geometries are conducive to this.

[1NRG24Seven]

Just found this video, guy claims its a gravity coil

AT-Bell Gravity Coil
YouTube - AT-Bell Gravity Coil

Good Day!!!...24

[Armagdn03]

Such a coil will create an electric dipole above and below it. However it will still have the same problem as other coils, run at resonance it will alternate attraction and repulsion to the earth. The key is in how to get it to resonate in one direction, a one way tank circuit if you will. This very same coil could be driven by the James F Corum method of quarter wave cancellation, and you might have something.

[net_catcher]

I would like to share a story about a demonstration I was used for by an Inventor by the name if I recall correctly David Meyers.

This was back around 1991

I was invited to go to a public meeting with speaker David Meyers, the topic he was discussing was Tesla Technologies. At close to the end of the meeting he began to demonstrate some of his own inventions. He asked if anyone in the audience would volunteer to help him demonstrate his MONOPOLE magnets. I raised my hand and he chose me for an assistant. These magnets were 1" in dia and about 1" long shaped like a rod. I think they were stated to be neo. He then presented a aluminum tube with very thick wall of about 3/4" thickness, tube was about 2 feet long and about 3.5" outside diameter. He first dropped a quarter (coin) through the tube so everyone could get an idea of how fast it traveled down the tube as it landed in his hand at the bottom. Then he dropped one of these magnets down the tube which then floated down the inside of the tube like a feather taking its sweat time. He then handed me two monopole magnets, and being the skeptic that I am I played around with them for a moment and they attracted each other from any angle and all sides, they never repelled one another. My next thought was one was a regular magnet and the other just a plain piece of highly polished steel as they looked identical, and if they were it would explain why the attraction from all sides to the other. So I found a some steel nearby to test each one to make sure both were magnetic, they were. I then was to drop these down the tube so everyone in the audience could walk by and look down the tube to see the effect. After awhile I asked David a question, I said "What would happen if you were to spin this aluminum tube at high speed then drop the magnet down the hole, would it not propel the magnet upwards against gravity"? He said "Your smarter then I thought, but I am not able to talk about that under National Security Orders, I can only demonstrate other unrelated effects using monopole magnets" Now I also heard physicist say that if we could make monopole magnets it would emply anti gravity and free energy, well I have seen them with my own eyes they exist. And they do indeed create an anti gravity. I wish I could have gotten his personal phone number to contact him on how to make these magnets. If anyone has a clue how this might be done it might also help to understand how to cut the gravity field which I believe interacts with this type of magnetic field.

Good Day!!!...24

my 2 cents..

I repeated a similar experiment with a magnet and a copper or brass tube. I dropped a metal down the tube and it landed in so many milli-seconds.

I then dropped a neo magnet down the tube and it took 50%-100% longer.

I attributed it to iron content in the brass/copper, however, they don't contain that much.

B Bushman has a video that he claimed he attached 2 magnets and put the N/N (or maybe it was S/S) to each other, and hid them in a man-made rock. He then found another man-made rock of the same weight and had a third party drop them from several floors.

The magnetic rock took longer.

National Security, huh? When did they decide to let the UFO jockeys over major cities and out in broad daylight?

Monopole magnets exist
then Anti-gravity exists
then Free Energy (from the Universe) exists?

If so, I don't want to sidetrack the discussion, but one must ask - Why would a monopole magnet be a national security issue?

[net_catcher]

Such a coil will create an electric dipole above and below it. However it will still have the same problem as other coils, run at resonance it will alternate attraction and repulsion to the earth. The key is in how to get it to resonate in one direction, a one way tank circuit if you will. This very same coil could be driven by the James F Corum method of quarter wave cancellation, and you might have something.

A fellow named Brown says the way you achieve that is to send a stream of high velocity eddy currents, with positive charge in the middle, and negative repulsion charge on the outer.

Yes, a resonant capacitor was used. It is interesting you said that.

[sucahyo]

I said according to modern theory, and it is known that centripetal force is not a real force per say.

Also, if you have something to add....do just that, don't make statements with no reference, or explanation.

I said that because the modern theory also clueless. They introduce "dark matter" which maybe just another name for aether.
The Nature of Space

Even a standard car battery exhibits this. Charging heats the battery in an exothermic reaction. Discharging cools in an endothermic reaction, while the load heats.

No, battery will heat up on both condition unless you use radiant.

I though this thread is about removing gravity because of similarity with electromagnet, so I point out the importance of differentiating. I will post source if requested/available.

Some thought to centrifugal vs gravity equation. If planet have egg shaped orbit, would the sun gravity force also shaped like an egg?

Are we orbitting earth?

About heat, while heat in chemistry equilibrium can change matter proportion depend on the reaction, there is places where heat do not have a reverse effect in equilibrium.

What is the similarity of heat in electromagnet with heat in gravity? How gravity can produce heat?

Is anti gravity work the same as electromagnet vs transformer?

How anti gravity work? removing gravity or redirecting it or converting it? to where? And I think this isn't like reversing electromagnet polarity.

Levitation may not always be anti gravity. Maybe an anti gravity device is a density reducer, which only work on one direction which is up. This can only be proven by turning a real anti gravity device up side down. If the device can sink then it really is gravity device.

According to Howard Johnson. In an electromagnet or magnet there is two flux flow on contrary to each other. By assuming gravity as another kind of electromagnetic do you suggest that gravity contain two opposing flux?

@sucahyo: Not fully correct. Water is H2O - and it will always react the same.

Are you sure?
Heavy water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Besides water crystal shape, there is also water drop analysis:
Institut für Strömungswissenschaften

Notice that the very definition of a gravitational field is an acceleratory field. 9.81Meters per second squared, which is acceleration. Gravity or acceleratory fields or tendencies may all be electrical in nature. This can happen regardless of rotation.

Every force create an acceleration, but that doesn't meant they are the same. Can we accelerate electron speed flowing trough a wire? Electric do not have acceleration feature?


BTW, should we make a list of similarity and difference of gravity and electromagnetic before we continue?

[Armagdn03]

my 2 cents..

I repeated a similar experiment with a magnet and a copper or brass tube. I dropped a metal down the tube and it landed in so many milli-seconds.

I then dropped a neo magnet down the tube and it took 50%-100% longer.

I attributed it to iron content in the brass/copper, however, they don't contain that much.

B Bushman has a video that he claimed he attached 2 magnets and put the N/N (or maybe it was S/S) to each other, and hid them in a man-made rock. He then found another man-made rock of the same weight and had a third party drop them from several floors.

The magnetic rock took longer.

National Security, huh? When did they decide to let the UFO jockeys over major cities and out in broad daylight?

Monopole magnets exist
then Anti-gravity exists
then Free Energy (from the Universe) exists?

If so, I don't want to sidetrack the discussion, but one must ask - Why would a monopole magnet be a national security issue?

The experiment causes the magnet to fall slowly because there is a current circulating in the pipe which opposes the falling motion, this is standard generator action.

[Armagdn03]

I said that because the modern theory also clueless. They introduce "dark matter" which maybe just another name for aether.
The Nature of Space


No, battery will heat up on both condition unless you use radiant.

Depends on chemistry please see Battery Thermal Management section titled "Thermochemical Heating and Cooling"

I though this thread is about removing gravity because of similarity with electromagnet, so I point out the importance of differentiating. I will post source if requested/available.

Some thought to centrifugal vs gravity equation. If planet have egg shaped orbit, would the sun gravity force also shaped like an egg?

Yes the sun does have a distorted field shape. Most celestial objects do. They all try to achieve a spherical shape, but because they are in an ever pervasive atmosphere themselves and in continual motion, things get distorted. You could think of it like a bunch of bubbles in the tub, they want to be round, but deform in the presence of the others.

Are we orbitting earth?

About heat, while heat in chemistry equilibrium can change matter proportion depend on the reaction, there is places where heat do not have a reverse effect in equilibrium.

What is the similarity of heat in electromagnet with heat in gravity? How gravity can produce heat?

Is anti gravity work the same as electromagnet vs transformer?

How anti gravity work? removing gravity or redirecting it or converting it? to where? And I think this isn't like reversing electromagnet polarity.

Levitation may not always be anti gravity. Maybe an anti gravity device is a density reducer, which only work on one direction which is up. This can only be proven by turning a real anti gravity device up side down. If the device can sink then it really is gravity device.



According to Howard Johnson. In an electromagnet or magnet there is two flux flow on contrary to each other. By assuming gravity as another kind of electromagnetic do you suggest that gravity contain two opposing flux?

Are you sure?
Heavy water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Besides water crystal shape, there is also water drop analysis:
Institut für Strömungswissenschaften




Every force create an acceleration, but that doesn't meant they are the same. Can we accelerate electron speed flowing trough a wire? Electric do not have acceleration feature?


BTW, should we make a list of similarity and difference of gravity and electromagnetic before we continue?

I think at this point, it would be great to try and work out a periodic table, one which correlates density, to position on the table, to electrical properties, I think this would be very interesting and shed a lot of light.

[barbosi]

Here it is:

[Armagdn03]

Yes I know I posted that in the other thread, and that would be a perfect place to start. To help see the correlations one could start by "marrying" this table with the various properties of the elements. Permeability, Permittivity, Conductivity, metal, non metal, metalloid, melting, boiling, freezing points, etc... The concepts that this chart is based off of, are very much in line with what I am trying to explain.

Imagination time:

Imagine that the sun and the earth are not two separate things. The earth is an eddy current (circular wave) of sorts created by the sun. Our planet was "induced" into existence. The sun created a point (a radial potential gradient ending in a point), around which space would accumulate into matter and a planet. Without the sun, it is likely we would have never existed as a celestial body, and would never have formed.

Because this point created by the sun has a radial potential gradient, (like our planet), then the matter that exists as you move away from that center should correspond to the electrical gradient. aka, if you are in this potential band, you should find matter of this density etc.. Or you could say that matter of zone x should have a net potential of z and this will affect its properties like density etc..

This is interesting because this shows up in eccentric transformer theory. If you have a transmitter, or sun, it has an electromagnetic field radiating away from it with an inverse square ratio. As I have shown in the graphs on that thread in post one, the further you get from the source, the less average field you feel. However the closer you get, the more the induced current pushes back and diminishes the source that created it. Therefore taking these two variables into consideration, there should theoretically be a band, around the transmitter where the most energy possible can exist in the system. It is an agreement between the inverse square law, and the laws of induction. There is an exact ring around the transmitter where total energy recieved by an eddy is greatest, (the receiver is like the eddy current because it has a 180 degree phase difference, and in essence mirrors the source that created it). As you move away from this orbit in either direction, you see less energy. So in reality there is a donut like ring around the transmitter with an energy dense center that gets less dense as you move outward. This area is where there is the highest likely hood of energy transfer via inductive mechanisms.


This is an insanely great demonstration. The vibrations come from the "sun" and planets are induced, their orbits determined by the source.

If the sun works like this in any way, then the sun creates planets, at a distance where it is most likely to impart its energy into the planet both creating it and sustaining it. If the sun in any way changes its aspects, frequency, etc...the orbits around it will change, and the planets will adjust because they are created by those very "orbits". Being close to the source gives your eddy (particle, planet, etc..) certain characteristics, Notice how planets close to the sun have very similar characteristics, middle planets and outer planets also. Since there is a band where planets are likely to exist, the center of that band should be the strongest. The largest most massive planets should exist there.



If this is the case, then gravity is radically different then what we thin it is. Which may be why it fails to connect with quantum theory. We view it as a force pulling inward, while really, it may be that everything that exists has a net potential (dictated by some source), and all created "mass" or "energy" stays in its environment that created it, or close to it. If you move away from the zone of equi-potential, a force appears! this force always points you back toward your zone of equi-potential! We have at times called this gravity, we call it buoyancy, and really these things may all be electrical effects. Gravity and buoyancy are great, but are observing the after effects of the electromagnetic forces?

This could be why Tesla stated..."My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance...There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment."

Incredibly powerful statement which I feel is true, but I have never seen anybody care to elaborate.

If our Galactic center or sun, Induced our sun , which induces our planets (matter which makes up our sun, which makes up our galaxy), which induces on down the line to atoms and then into sub atomic particles forevermore into infinity. And it is even likely our galaxy was induced by a larger source.

[Aaron]

received from the environment

This could be why Tesla stated..."My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance...There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment."

Incredibly powerful statement which I feel is true, but I have never seen anybody care to elaborate.

Every piece of matter breaks the symmetry of the aether and results
in "energy" a movement of potential that feeds and gives life to the
subatomic particles.

I thought I had elaborated on this.

[sucahyo]

About battery charging, ok. Also remember that during electrolysis of water, a difference of cell potential of less 1.24V produce endothermic reaction, and produce exothermic reaction if more. Since conventional charger never charge bellow the critical voltage, we can assume that all charging are heat up battery. In real life, I never experience cooling.

Yes the sun does have a distorted field shape. Most celestial objects do. They all try to achieve a spherical shape, but because they are in an ever pervasive atmosphere themselves and in continual motion, things get distorted. You could think of it like a bunch of bubbles in the tub, they want to be round, but deform in the presence of the others.

I don't agree with that. I don't think distortion is the cause of non spherical orbit. You make it sound that planet can have dented sphere orbit too. I don't really understand the concept though. But I explain if needed. I hope this image bellow is not off topic.







notice that the sea is not only attracted to the moon, but also repulsed by the moon.

Therefore taking these two variables into consideration, there should theoretically be a band, around the transmitter where the most energy possible can exist in the system. It is an agreement between the inverse square law, and the laws of induction. There is an exact ring around the transmitter where total energy recieved by an eddy is greatest, (the receiver is like the eddy current because it has a 180 degree phase difference, and in essence mirrors the source that created it). As you move away from this orbit in either direction, you see less energy. So in reality there is a donut like ring around the transmitter with an energy dense center that gets less dense as you move outward. This area is where there is the highest likely hood of energy transfer via inductive mechanisms.

Are you saying that planet held in its orbit because of this ring? And this is a ring of gravity? and this only activated at very long distance and do not start near it source so there is no gravity band detected bellow earth atmosphere?



I attach the periodic table I prefer. But, why we need periodic table for?