Can someone explain this"SHOCKLESS ELECTRICITY"

[Peter Lindemann]

Peak Voltage, Limited Current

Magneto head,

Interesting experiment. The reason the lights are so bright is that the diode and capacitor combination makes the "peak voltage" from the inverter, namely 160 volts, available to your loads. Second, like a "Wiseman Capacitor Battery Charger", the 30uf capacitor limits the current to under 1.2 amps at 60 hz. If you add more lightbulbs, say up to 200 watts, you'll see the nature of the current limitation, as the bulbs will be too dim then.

Exactly while it seems that you cannot be shocked is not clear to me. Perhaps it is the current limitation, or maybe you have dry skin. Like the others, I would be careful with that aspect of the set-up. It still might be possible to be shocked, but you simply haven't found out how yet.

Peter

[sucahyo]

Interesting .

Agree with Peter Lindemann in the possible shock if you use higher load.

YouTube - Non shocking property of radiant electricity

I just notice that from my experience getting shocked from AC grid I got more shock when the load has high amperage. I get only stinging sensation from CFL lighting AC during elementary. And got huge shock from water pump.

[Magneto Head]

OK all, just got back from lab, the only thing I did was hook a 17.5 mfd cap from air cond to one side of a lamp cord, no diodes,plugged it in hooked a75watt light AND ac fan to it with bare fingers while plugged in NO SHOCK , and all was normal brightness and normal speed. Tried a diode and only got half voltage. IM very dissapointed. Cant find original componants.. But I guess not getting shocked Ithink is pretty amasing and educational. Thanks Bob

[ewizard]

That is some interesting ideas you bring up MH. However if I understand what is being done I believe you only have DC voltage at the end of your circuit and even at 120+ volts DC is not dangerous like 60 hertz AC. You may not even feel the DC although I would not suggest trying it with wet hands. 60 cycle AC is IIRC nearly the most dangerous frequency to humans for AC voltage. Much higher or much lower frequencies are both safer and in some cases not even felt. Do you have any meters to read the voltage and current output? If I only had my shop set up I'd try this and put it on a scope to see what it looks like. If possible let us know any numbers on the diodes also. Please also be safe!

I had not refreshed this page before posting and it was sitting here a while. What Peter said is what I had suspected also - that you are getting about 40 volts higher output because of the diode/cap combo and that may run some things faster/brighter. Do be careful though as this may damage some electrical items. And again please don't push your luck on getting shocks!

[sebosfato]

Yes very educational hey you all lets touch the wires and see if you get shocked, try a tesla coil...


Don't be fool you are not iron man

I already got many incidents from 110 up to 40kv I didn't died but was by lucky.

Don't hear anything one can tell you about safety in a forum. Its almost everything Bull ****t
60hz is as worst as 120 and as 1000 and dc is even worst

Don't be stupid and don't risk your life's doing so you are not going to see over-unity anyhow trust me.

This is the last advice i will give to you! Don't insist on this!!!

[Magneto Head]

Yes SEBOSFATO your right about pushing my luck . Think ill move on to safer projects. Couldnt get it to work with the diodes I now have , but it did with just 1 capacitor in the line. Thanks to all who posted.. Bob

[ren]

Take a 12v battery and an inverter hooked up as normal. Then I took a lamp cord cut from lamp ,trimmed ends, and split apart the wires. On each wire I placed a diode with arrow pointing away from inverter. Next I took 2 air conditioner capacitors and hooked one to each wire,not in paralell, but in series. The textbook calls them blocking capacitors. The terminals now coming off each cap that is not connected can be hooked to 110v lights, motor. They are extremly bright, and motors and fans run well but faster than normal. But best of all I can touch both wires and make connections wile the loads are running and not get shocked. This is much safer to. This sort of reminds me of tesla hairpin circuit but without the high voltage. There is no amps,but there is voltage. Can this be looped back to batt somehow? need replications And new advice. Bob

Interesting Magneto Head.

Can you tell me how the amperage compares on the front end of the inverter? That is, what sort of input current is required from the 12VDC source? Is it comparable to when the inverter is run normally?

Regards

[nilrehob]

I found this in a verry old electronics book.

This is very interesting!
Can you give us the title/author/isbn of the book?
Maybe even a link if its online?

/Hob

[sigzidfit]

A power supply for converting high voltage DC power into high voltage AC power at fre

Perhaps if you multiply the frequency of the AC via SCR's you might get a desirable effect?

High frequency power supply - Google Patent Search

Peace
PJ

[boguslaw]

Are those caps electrolytic or non-polarised ones ?

[Johan]

Dismantled / assembly Cap or ACCU holding charge!?

Related to the topic:

YouTube - MIT Physics Demo -- Dissectible Capacitor

What is going on, looks like a possible to dismantled / assembly Cap or ACCU and holding its charge?

Regards, Johan

[baroutologos]

Avalanche type thread!

Magneto, i read this thread and i find it amusing!
this proposed setup, two diodes both cathodes connected to converter (an AC source actually) and caps to them, should not allow any power flow anyway, so I cannot see the HOW to operate bulbs etc.

Are those diodes ok? Probably they would not.
can you scan and post the old book circuit if you may?

Thanks

[Magneto Head]

Baroutologos, It has been a long time and many similar projects. I just tried to replicate the project and the only way I could get it to work was put one cap in series with the load from the inverter. Forget about the diodes. The book was Basic Electrical and Electronic Principals bySuffern Copywrite 1949 1956 1962 . Page 232-233 describes blocking capacitors. Alight placed on one side of capacitor functions ,also alite placed between to capitors functions. With the cap values I have now only one is used. Forget about the diodes I was trying to get it to DC . Placed one Air Conditioner Cap in series with load in an AC circuit ,It blocked The amperage, And I did not get shocked, And load Still operated. Try at your own risk. Bob

[boguslaw]

Diodes may be important, because it is stated that AC flow across capacitor ,yet I believe it is not a direct flow but a recreation of AC after the capacitor.
If that is what happened then a capacitor is a current limiter here .Diodes makes this circuit much more interesting... Please try again with diodes and give us the exact specification of parts used.

[baroutologos]

@Magneto,

A cap in shunt to an AC source will allow only a specific amperage to flow at specific frequency. This is give by the formula of cap "impedance".

The shockless portion cannot comprehend it now. I have to see it