What is Tesla's "Rosseta Stone" - Another Radiant Energy Investigation

[boguslaw]

While i examined Tesla's Colorado Springs notes i stumbled across notes of July 30, 1899 having Tesla speaking about his magnifier coil, his overal technology for sending-signals / power based on highvoltage stimulations and considerations about making the equipment.


Particularly in pp 114-115, Tesla recognises that more METAL MASS in transmiting systems is better for two reasons as he explains.
1) Due to lower resistance hence higher Q (ωL/R)

and secondly and is a new concept for me... read and comment. I cannot really grasp it yet.

This is just great! Very good spotted! Later you will find in notes that he used the same mass for primary and secondary.

[amigo]

I have been reading "Tesla Said" past few days and the last couple of posts in this thread reminded me of some stuff I read, namely:

In the article "The Ewing High-Frequency Alternator and Parsons Steam Engine" The Nikola Tesla Treasury - Google Books

Tesla refers to combining a HF Alternator and a steam turbine, which the later I presume would produce high RPMs. Makes one wonder about the other turbine Tesla invented 20 some years later, and whether it would've tied into any of this.

Next, the article "On The Dissipation of the Electrical Engergy of the Hertz Resonator" The Nikola Tesla Treasury - Google Books

Here Tesla talks about dissipation of energy from the oscillator that he called electric sound waves or sound-waves of electrified air and he says that they are propagated at right angles from the charged surfaces. Having in mind the recent postings from Daniel64 regarding the 90 degree dissipations from the dielectrics, this perhaps ties to that.

Tesla also talks about the "skin effect" and how its existance or action is directly related to the air, thus dissipation of energy is more rapid, leads him to conclude that air is a factor as important, if not more so, than the resistance of the metals.

Lastly, the article "The Physiological and Other Effects of High-Frequency Currents" The Nikola Tesla Treasury - Google Books

Tesla says that the experimenter, one Mr. Swinton, should've replaced his ordinary vibrating contact-breaker with the device Tesla invented two years prior (1891) to convert from continous currents into alternating currents of any frequency (my emphasis).

Relating device is described here: The Nikola Tesla Treasury - Google Books

This article also looked interesting: The Nikola Tesla Treasury - Google Books

Sorry this was a jumble of links and thoughts, maybe someone finds something useful there.

[baroutologos]

Do not be frustrated Amigo by the "Tesla said" stuff. He was the grandmaster in the Art so he is the way to go.
Who are you going to entrust? Don Smith's or Bearden's ambiguous sayings?

Thanks a lot by the way for the links man!

Very interesting comments on the book, p. 202 are related with what Vassilatos nominates as radiant energy. i quote:

"When the electrical density of the wire surfaces is small, there is not appreciable local heating, nevertheless energy is dissipated in air, by waves, which differ from ordinary sound-waves only because the air is electrified. These waves are especially conspicious when the discharges of a powerfull battery are directed through a short and thick metal bar, the number of discharges per second being very small. The experimenter may feel the impact of the air at distances to six feet or more from the bar, especially if he takes the precaution to sprinkle the face or hands with ether. These waves cannot be entirely stopped by the interpossition of an insulated metal plate."

In the same page, Tesla says that most mechanical, sound, heat and light phenomena observerd in resonators are attributed to a medium of gaseous structure. Yet describes examples of experiments where that medium of gaseous structure is air. (glass and capacitor, coil in oil etc)
At the end of that page, leave some possibilities open if besides air there is "another medium is present".

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By the way, this view seems fit so as to understand why Tesla used resonators of relatively low frequency. Most of them 20-100Khz of thick wires. (since cannot put whole resonator in oil especially those being 20m diameter!

[Aaron]

Bearden

I don't think Bearden is ambiguous at all. I don't agree with everything
he says but when taking the time to understand what he is saying reveals
that he actually is speaking in some very distinct specifics.

[baroutologos]

Re-reading the above two pages posted from Tesla notes, it becomes understood as to why the old dc power stations upon switch closure (said Vassilatos) exhibit an arc of voltage orders of magnitude larger than the original and hence named radiant energy. (everything unknown back then was nominated radiant energy)

According Tesla's view in summer 1989, the sharp EMF strike of heavy conductors of insignifficant resistance equals to a mechanical blow to a heavy mass. As he says in both cases the pressure increases enormously. Even though i do not quite comprehend the analogy, pressure in electrical terms is voltage of course.
So as Tesla asserted back then, by pinging a heavy copper bar by a discharging capacitor, produces momenterily *X times the original capacitor voltage as if EMF "is compressed" somehow...

[Raui]

According Tesla's view in summer 1989, the sharp EMF strike of heavy conductors of insignifficant resistance equals to a mechanical blow to a heavy mass. As he says in both cases the pressure increases enormously. Even though i do not quite comprehend the analogy, pressure in electrical terms is voltage of course.
So as Tesla asserted back then, by pinging a heavy copper bar by a discharging capacitor, produces momenterily *X times the original capacitor voltage as if EMF "is compressed" somehow...

Read this; SCIENCE HOBBYIST: Electricity F.A.Q. ANSWERS

The section I'm talking more about is the following section;
What happens during a "static" shock?

More specifically the following. It seems to go hand in hand with Tesla's statement.

A huge electric current appears in the spark, and temperatures in the air (and in the dead skin surrounding your salty conductive flesh) rise to immense values. The air emits sound and bright light, while your dead skin is cooked or even vaporized by the electrical energy pouring into the spark. The pain you experience is not necessarily electrical, it's similar to having your finger poked by a white-hot needle. If you grasp a metal coin or some keys, and let the spark jump to the metal, you'll feel almost nothing. The metal prevents the burn while doing little to stop the current.

Painful finger-sparks can measure a few amperes, but they only last for a hundredth of a microsecond. The worst ones can range up to many tens of amperes, with peak energy flow up in the megawatts. But these sparks last for incredibly brief times. Your nervous system only responds on time scales of a tenth or a hundredth of a second. Your nervous system "blurs" the energy and charge flows, and it "thinks" that the wattage and current of the spark is roughly a million times weaker than it actually is. Hurts though.

For more info about the typical "human finger sparks" used by manufacturers for stress-testing new appliances, search for HBM or "Human Body Model": Google: ESD, HBM, CDM, MM

ENGINEERING VERSION BELOW, some crude rule-of-thumb figures:
A typical tiny spark, too small to see:

Human body capacitance to ground: 100pF, 1e-10 farads
Body's potential to ground: 400 volts
Stored energy: U = 1/2 C * V^2 = 8e-6J, eight microjoules
Arc resistance: R= 100 ohms
Discharge time constant: Tc = R * C = 100 * 1e-10 = 10 nanoseconds
Peak current: Ip = V / R = 400/1000 = 4 amperes
Peak wattage: W = U / Tc = 8e-6 / 1e-8 = 800 watts
Worst case zap: touching metal inside a truck in the winter after sliding across the long bench-seat:
Human body capacitance to ground: 300pF, 3e-10 farads
Body's potential to ground: 30,000 volts
Stored energy: U = 1/2 C * V^2 = .14 joules
Arc resistance: R= 100 ohms
Discharge time constant: Tc = R * C = 300 * 1e-10 = 30 nanoseconds
Peak current: Ip = V / R = 30000/100 = 300 amperes
Peak wattage: W = U / Tc = .14 / 3e-8 = 4.5e6 = 4.5 megawatts
Notice the interesting numbers? A tiny spark is 800 watts and four amps! But it only lasts for ten billionths of a second, and the total energy that flows into the spark is very low. But if you slide your butt along a truck seat during a Michigan winter, the energy is almost high enough to stop your heart (a tenth of a joule!) Also, the four megawatts peak power looks very impressive, even though it only lasts for billionths of a second and does little damage.

A little food for thought ,
Raui

[boguslaw]

except if you are able to repeat spark at the rate of khz, that it become pulsating DC output of kW

[antigraviticsystems1]

<script src='http://img708.imageshack.us/shareable/?i=generadorenergiaradiant.jpg&p=tl' type='text/javascript'></script><noscript></noscript> hola compañeros,soy un electrónico español y estoy investigando muchos años a Nikola Tesla,este es alguno de los circuitos electrónicos que tengo en mente desde hace bastante tiempo,un saludo a todos.

[antigraviticsystems1]

to properly operate the magnetic quenched have to work with back emf ... first you have to energize the coil and then channeled through the back emf diode to the magnetic breaker blown ... only then can we turn off the spark by iman.

[antigraviticsystems1]

Magnetic Quenched Emf



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[Farmhand]

Hola antigraviticsystems1, dibujos muy bien, estamos agradecidos de poder ver su trabajo y sus ideas son muy útiles.

Ahora puedo ver que el dibujo otros usos SIDAC
Dispositivo me tienen mucho todavía de entender.

I hope that worked I used google.

¡Salud

[Jbignes5]

Re-reading the above two pages posted from Tesla notes, it becomes understood as to why the old dc power stations upon switch closure (said Vassilatos) exhibit an arc of voltage orders of magnitude larger than the original and hence named radiant energy. (everything unknown back then was nominated radiant energy)

According Tesla's view in summer 1989, the sharp EMF strike of heavy conductors of insignifficant resistance equals to a mechanical blow to a heavy mass. As he says in both cases the pressure increases enormously. Even though i do not quite comprehend the analogy, pressure in electrical terms is voltage of course.
So as Tesla asserted back then, by pinging a heavy copper bar by a discharging capacitor, produces momenterily *X times the original capacitor voltage as if EMF "is compressed" somehow...

This is exactly what he was doing.

I'll try to link the circuit so you guys can see the beginning of it. I have linked it several times before and it is one of the lecture series.

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of Very High Frequency and Their Application to Methods of Artificial Illumination"

This talks about the pinging of the copper bars.

This should be about the circuit that acts like a static generator. He talks about the effects that appear to be the same but are different some how. Tesla even being the genius he was still had not figured it out completely. He talks about us experimenting with it and learn it's properties.

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

Figure 2-5 show the circuit in varying layouts and component designs to use with it. Just after that he talks about the effects when the output is balanced mass wise but vary in surface area and shape as well. He goes to great detail about when the surface area is not balanced and how that seems to amplify the intensity of the discharges. <- By the way that is a static law. It is what governs where the static discharge will come from. Smaller radius of a circle, since all man made objects are not perfectly flat or smooth, higher surface tension when charged in the smaller radius defect will determine the spark point.

The magnetic quenched spark gap is told by Tesla to be the fastest switcher ever. It chops up the spark in like a wave in a single discharge. Since the magnet is there to immediately blow out the spark it results in a faster timing. Hence the difference in the sound of a regular spark gap and a magnetic quenched gap.

[antigraviticsystems1]

YouTube - video soplado magnético. vean ustedes el cambio de la chispa y del sonido al introducir el imán de neodinium....disculpenme I dont read english sorry

[lamare]

You may want to check out on Eric Dollards stuff. I have an interesting collection on my website: Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Eric_Dollard_Document_Collection/

Eric replicated quite a lot of Tesla's experiments. He has some very intersting papers on Tesla technology:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...esla+Coils.pdf
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...20Windings.pdf

[antigraviticsystems1]

this is a treasure to me, I am very grateful sir...thanks