Announcement.

[baroutologos]

@ natone_m and all,

I totally agree. You must be a big noob to think that you can exploit such technology with the goverment on your side.
It has been depressed and will be depressed. Plain and simple.

[tutanka]

Good Luck uprooting the energy cartels. Personally it is my belief that a cartel that has had a strangle-hold over not only people but governments as well for around 100 years will allow you or your group to implement a plan like that on any level.

Correct me if i'm wrongfully reading into your reply but the idea is basically that if governments are allowed to tax this technology that you will be allowed to mass produce it? Government control via taxation is one of the main motivating reasons a lot of people on this forum are trying to discover these technologies. Am I wrong?

As far as governments jumping on board...don't bet on it. Governments in general (not just in the US) are heavily lobbied if not primarily controlled by the energy cartels. The Governments would be the last people i'd want on board with me. Do you trust your government that much??? Try to answer that one with a straight face.

I'm sure by reading your posts that you are by no means a stranger to Stanley Meyers, his life, his technology, his goals, and his untimely and questionable death. Stan Meyers also saw it fit to keep the lid on his technology in hopes that he could independently become the "Bill Gates" of water fuel technology. Ask him how his stand against the energy cartel went.

Even though you say you do not want to start a war, it has already begun and has been going on for 100 years. You are going up against oil companies, natural gas companies, propane companies, refining companies, nuclear power providers, coal companies, hydro-electric power providers, solar power providers, wind power providers, and huge electric coopratives (just to name a few) in every country big and small across this planet. It seems to me an absurd thought to think that a three member team will be able to get the job done. It doesn't matter how "stubborn" the energy cartel finds you to be or the fact that you live in three different countries because you are dealing with the RICHEST,the most POWERFUL, and most RELENTLESS multination force on this planet.

I truly hope you can find a way to get your technology out there. I also hope that you can make alittle money off it. After all, you discovered it, you are entitled to it, and you deserve it. However, the manner in which you chosen has been shown by history and those before you to be fool hearted. I hope to see your sucesses come to light. I hope also you don't end up either bought off, or worse.... You are in my prayers.

Regards

You don't have more ways.. Governments can blocks all they want.. Petrol in fact creates job and moneys for peoples, if you cut petrol immediately you create an apocalypse. Is an delicate equilibrium and we cannot think to that. However new fuel they must come outside soon or will be too much late in order to stop this pollution. Regards

[broli]

You don't have more ways.. Governments can blocks all they want.. Petrol in fact creates job and moneys for peoples, if you cut petrol immediately you create an apocalypse. Is an delicate equilibrium and we cannot think to that. However new fuel they must come outside soon or will be too much late in order to stop this pollution. Regards

If chaos ensues so be it. What you don't see is that this phase is NEEDED. You cannot go from black to white instantly without going through gray. This apocalypse as you will call it will enlighten the people so they can realize their mistakes, this experience is needed to rebuild the planet physically and most importantly mentally. People have to realize their neglect for this planet and the broken system they have been part of all along or else nothing at all will change. Don't except changing the world to be straightforward, like any life achievement you must be prepared to suffer big time and sometimes give up your life for it. People have died in the past for freedom, this is way bigger than anyone has ever fought for in the written past! We are beyond provinces and countries, we will fight for the sake of our planet so we can evolve to the next stage. Which I believe is the galactic era.

So please don't convince yourself you're doing what's best for everybody, because you are not. Either change your plans or say goodbye to this forum because there would be no reason for you to post here anymore since your ideologies are completely against ours.

[rileydad48]

You don't have more ways.. Governments can blocks all they want.. Petrol in fact creates job and moneys for peoples, if you cut petrol immediately you create an apocalypse. Is an delicate equilibrium and we cannot think to that. However new fuel they must come outside soon or will be too much late in order to stop this pollution. Regards

First of all, no-one but you has seen your working model, but let's say for now that you have what you say you have... Second, let's say you somehow get it into probuction. Even if you where to be able to produce 100,000 units a year, how much of a impact would that have on the production of fossil fuels. It would take years and years before the oil cartels would be hurt to any extent. Third and most important, the release of this technology would infact create jobs. You will need people to manufacture, people to distribute, people to install, people to repair, all kinds of parts and manufacturing plants for those parts. People to convert cars to hydrogen, new furnaces to burn hydrogen, hydrogen powered generators, stoves to cook with hydrogen. In esence, jobs will be lost and jobs will be gained, the world will rebound. And finally "Forth", what makes you think you would be
the reason for war?? We have fought wars for many reasons and a few for oil..I think just the opposite would happen... why go to war and spend millions of dollars and thousands of lives for a war over energy, when for a few thousands I could have my own independant power... access to water is what you should be worried about.
To tell you my thoughts on your achievement, is simple, if you turn to the goverment for help, you will delay the whole process by decades... if it reaches production at all. Don't elude yourself in thinking that you will change the world over night, it just won't happen!! If the powers to be even thought that you were a threat to their exsistance, you wouldn't have said the first word on this forum.. Believe me, they are that powerfull. !!

Paul

[Cherryman]

Tatunka, i think it is not that most people want it for free (But then again what is wrong with free energy?) But they don't like the fact that you guys wants to maintain the powerstructures involved in energy today. New tech, same bill, same dependancy.


About the jobs... When the great passenger liners were replaced by airplanes.. It also costed many jobs and established companies went down under.. Now we have airline companies who provides jobs..

People and companies will find their way.


What bothers me is the control behind it. The satelite control.. or whatever control systems you guys dream up.. WHY ??

I think that you can make a lot of mony by just selling STAND ALONE units. Not everybody is/will be/or wants to built these things themselves... Besides that, as the discoverer you would also be famous and earn a lot of mony in the lecture circuit

Sure it will bring a shock to the world, oil price an a lot of things connected to that. But they had their profits for the last 100 years... It's time to move on.

[bussi04]

Energetic forum,

The use of water as a viable fuel is now a reality.


I've been asked to make a special public announcement here on behalf of my team, regarding the project we've been secretly working on, namely, getting any and all engines to run without the use of fossil based fuels.

The regular readers of this forum would already be aware that Tutanka, Moose53, and myself, have been diligently plugging away at resolving this issue, and we would now like to state publicly that we have succeeded.

** We have discovered the secret of Stan Meyer's water as fuel concept, and it's now been proven beyond a doubt, thus we will soon be in a position to publicly confirm all of the processes required to make any engine run on this new fuel(essentially water).

We are presently in the process of putting together a valid proof of concept disclosure.

Please allow us a few short weeks to get that done, upon which time, we will go viral and make a general media announcement.

There is still much to do with regard to addressing a marketing approach, and we will be seeking the advices of the people expert in those fields, when the right time comes, but for now, we simply ask that everyone remain patient and allow us to get on with the task at hand, thereby allowing us to get this project to completion in the shortest possible time.

We formally ask that everyone please respect our privacy and refrain from slowing us down by asking questions of us here on the forum. We also ask that people please stop sending us PM messages for now too.

We need to apply all our time and focus on what we're doing, thus, for us to take the time to respond to any questions is only slowing us down, as well as slowing down the release of this technology.

**We will endeavour to release updates here as soon as we deem that they are warranted or appropriate.

Thank you for being patient.

@tutanka

That´s all for now after 3 weeks?

After our few conversations I didn´t expect anything else but it´s once more conversation without substantial informations.

Now I want to call it entertainment.

Bye
bussi04

[rileydad48]

@tutanka

That´s all for now after 3 weeks?

After our few conversations I didn´t expect anything else but it´s once more conversation without substantial informations.

Now I want to call it entertainment.

Bye
bussi04

Yes, it seems like it's becoming the "tutanka & rosco1" show.

[natone_m]

The End Result

You don't have more ways.. Governments can blocks all they want.. Petrol in fact creates job and moneys for peoples, if you cut petrol immediately you create an apocalypse. Is an delicate equilibrium and we cannot think to that. However new fuel they must come outside soon or will be too much late in order to stop this pollution. Regards

I understand what you are saying and I agree to a certain extent. Being an employee of a power provider that uses coal / natural gas as its primary fuel source I understand and agree with your environmental concern.

On a personal level regarding my family's, my friends', and my own freedom and security, the government can never stop me from building a free energy device for my household or teaching others how to do so. They can try to make it illegal or tax it but it will be an uphill battle to regulate every person's individual home power generation. Big Brother is BIG but they are not that big.

Your concerns with upsetting the equilibrium and killing jobs with this technology is unfounded in my opinion, it will happen anyway. I'll use my job as an example. We use coal fired boilers and gas turbines to generate power for a university. If this technology were to become mainstream tomorrow, and everyone finds out there is a clean fuel to use, the company I work for would be stupid not to retrofit there gas turbines to use water fuel. It would make them more competative and spur other industries to be just as competative including the energy cartels. The delicate equilibrium of jobs will eventually shift to this over time. It will not be immediate.

Your right this technology will upset the balance that has existed for 100 years. The automobile killed the horse and buggy, the telegram killed the pony express, the trucking industry virtually killed the railroads, and the printing press killed scribes. It is the natural order of history. All of these industries share a lot in common with the energy cartels except one, the energy cartel controls the wealth in the world. They will do whatever they have to to keep the status quo or "delicate equilibrium"

Regards

Nate

[natone_m]

No need

There is no need to be insulting. I see too much this in the threads i follow here. I think the common ground in which everyone seems to have firm footing is that the status quo has to change. Whether it is a humanitarian effort to help the environment or to help individual energy independence, we are all in the same boat. We feel it when we get our utility bill. We feel it at the gas station when we fill up. I feel it when i walk outside and see that smoke bellow out of the stack. We see it when countries are adopting billion dollar efforts to implement solar and wind energy that quite frankly are not up to the generating standards the public needs. We see it when car companies are incrementally phasing out ICE to be replaced with hybrids and electric cars when I KNOW ICEs can be driven with clean alternate fuel.

[tutanka]

@tutanka

That´s all for now after 3 weeks?

After our few conversations I didn´t expect anything else but it´s once more conversation without substantial informations.

Now I want to call it entertainment.

Bye
bussi04

You write me that and you don't ask anything to your friend that have to build gas processor from months.. However for your information in max one month from today that Chevrolet Matiz GPL 1000cc is transformed with Micronic Fuel System

[Allcanadian]

@tutanka

Another man that want all for free

And you are just another man that wants to dominate an industry through restrictive measures on technology for your own person gain at the expense of others and the environment. You call yourself the "illuminated" , I do not think you have a clue what this means. I think you have a lot to learn as there is more to the process of invention than technology and profits, there is a moral obligation to improve the life of others as this is the purpose of invention. How many people do you think could afford the cost or restrictive terms that you have suggested?. You are not a part of any solution to the greed and corruption which limits clean technology -- your egotistical attitude IS the problem.
Regards
AC

[tutanka]

@tutanka


And you are just another man that wants to dominate an industry through restrictive measures on technology for your own person gain at the expense of others and the environment. You call yourself the "illuminated" , I do not think you have a clue what this means. I think you have a lot to learn as there is more to the process of invention than technology and profits, there is a moral obligation to improve the life of others as this is the purpose of invention. How many people do you think could afford the cost or restrictive terms that you have suggested?. You are not a part of any solution to the greed and corruption which limits clean technology -- your egotistical attitude IS the problem.
Regards
AC

Yes you are right.. I'm an illuminated.. but as you know in the history there are present many stupid men that don't believe in their existence

[rileydad48]

There is no need to be insulting. I see too much this in the threads i follow here. I think the common ground in which everyone seems to have firm footing is that the status quo has to change. Whether it is a humanitarian effort to help the environment or to help individual energy independence, we are all in the same boat. We feel it when we get our utility bill. We feel it at the gas station when we fill up. I feel it when i walk outside and see that smoke bellow out of the stack. We see it when countries are adopting billion dollar efforts to implement solar and wind energy that quite frankly are not up to the generating standards the public needs. We see it when car companies are incrementally phasing out ICE to be replaced with hybrids and electric cars when I KNOW ICEs can be driven with clean alternate fuel.

natone_m, You know you are right, what I said was a cheap shot and I was ready to appologise to everyone....then I read the last two post by tutanka and I think I'll just let it stand..

[bussi04]

You write me that and you don't ask anything to your friend that have to build gas processor from months.. However for your information in max one month from today that Chevrolet Matiz GPL 1000cc is transformed with Micronic Fuel System

Hi tutanka,

tracking your activities during the last month I would kindly want to ask you towards your progress according to your car installation. As only few in touch with GP technology seem to be seriously dealing with experiments or applications here all people eyes are focussed on you now. So I´m most interested in investigating wheather you´re telling the truth or you´re playing tricks here.
You should know: It´s most disappointing to get things projected and nothing happens afterwards. It´s a question of seriousness.

I think you´ll understand, don´t you?

greetings,
bussi04

[Schpankme]

We have discovered the secret of Stan Meyer's water as fuel concept

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