Very interesting developments...

[Slovenia]

Lamare,

Thanks for opening this thread. This is increible stuff for sure. I have read Fire In The Sky and it was a pretty incredible read also.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Aromaz]

Off topic, but still interesting for most here to see

General science (astronomy) states that the asteroid belt is due to an un-formed planet – the material is there, but the planet never completed its formation; reasons stated are the strong gravity fields from Jupiter … BUT then there are the other people who believe a different version.

Seeking for update on near earth objects I did find an interesting article about an asteroid 2008 TC3 (asteroid is that rock in space – which becomes a meteorite when it enters earth’s atmosphere.) This asteroid became in fact a meteorite and crashed into the earth in Northern Sudan on 7 October 2008.

Many fragments of Asteroid/meteorite 2008 TC3 was recovered and scientist did there dissecting, analysis, testing – went back for more samples because they could not believe what they found.

The carbon in the recovered meteorites is among the most cooked of all known meteorites. Carbon crystals of graphite and nanodiamonds have been detected. Still, it turns out that some of the organic matter in the original material survived the heating. Amy Morrow, Hassan Sabbah, and Richard Zare of Stanford University have found polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in high abundances. Amazingly, Michael Callahan and colleagues of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center now report that even some amino acids have survived.

ORGANIC matter? Amino Acids? I quote ”Amino Acids are the sub-units of proteins and proteins makes up the bulk of biological cell structure”

2008 TC3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://dps.aas.org/press/2009/Jennis...tober_2009.pdf

For much more interesting readings: Google “2008 TC3”
It was about 4 meters in diameter – and was seen 20 hours before impact!

[Inquorate]

General science (astronomy) states that the asteroid belt is due to an un-formed planet – the material is there, but the planet never completed its formation; reasons stated are the strong gravity fields from Jupiter … BUT then there are the other people who believe a different version.

Seeking for update on near earth objects I did find an interesting article about an asteroid 2008 TC3 (asteroid is that rock in space – which becomes a meteorite when it enters earth’s atmosphere.) This asteroid became in fact a meteorite and crashed into the earth in Northern Sudan on 7 October 2008.

Many fragments of Asteroid/meteorite 2008 TC3 was recovered and scientist did there dissecting, analysis, testing – went back for more samples because they could not believe what they found.

The carbon in the recovered meteorites is among the most cooked of all known meteorites. Carbon crystals of graphite and nanodiamonds have been detected. Still, it turns out that some of the organic matter in the original material survived the heating. Amy Morrow, Hassan Sabbah, and Richard Zare of Stanford University have found polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in high abundances. Amazingly, Michael Callahan and colleagues of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center now report that even some amino acids have survived.

ORGANIC matter? Amino Acids? I quote ”Amino Acids are the sub-units of proteins and proteins makes up the bulk of biological cell structure”

2008 TC3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://dps.aas.org/press/2009/Jennis...tober_2009.pdf

For much more interesting readings: Google “2008 TC3”
It was about 4 meters in diameter – and was seen 20 hours before impact!

That planet was supposedly called Melchizedek (sp?)

Thanks for the info Aromaz

[aljhoa]

That's exactly the point. Don't you see the similarities?

The Zionist controlling and supressing the Jews are not the Jewish people.
The fascists controlling and supressing the westerns society are not the American and European people.
The nazi and religious fanatic muslims controlling and supressing the Muslims are not the Muslim people.
The Roman Catholic Jezuits controlling and supressing the Roman Catholics around the world are not the Roman Catholic people.

And this list goes on and on.

The real problem is that there is one inter-connected web of control freaks above all these different groups that controls and exploits all the ordinary people of the world trough "divide and conquer" and all the dirty tricks in the books.


And that is not a coincidence:
How The Banksters Ensured US WWII Intervention



Edit: Just found this interesting library with masonic documents: Masonic E-Book Library

Which group is the oldest and most prosperous?
Why should it share its god given rights with other groups?
From what books their dirty tricks come from?
Al

[jibbguy]

Sorry, but that article is nonsense and smells of German apologist theory hidden between the lines to me.

Regarding FDR, the reason the Repubs ran Wilkie in the first place is, because they knew they did not have ONE SINGLE public figure at the time that could hope to go against FDR and get more than 25% of the vote... the most popular President in History before or since. That is fact. WHY FDR was so popular is up for debate, they certainly made him into something similar to Uncle Joe Stalin in the 30's using a cult of personality to make him into a "father figure".

Yet without FDR, and him doing exactly the things he did at the times he did it, this country would have turned either fascist or communist.

But the pro-Roosevelt propaganda worked brilliantly for one reason or another, and it would make absolutely no difference who the Republicans ran and they knew it.... That wasn't "conspiracy" it was political reality

The reason many want to FORGET about that fact is: The People realized that Roosevelt was the FIRST pol to ever give them anything of real value: Social Security. People don't forget that since it is so rare That was precisely why Roosevelt was unstoppable politically as long as he lived.

There is absolutely no evidence for any of that British MI6 murdering isolationist stuff. And there were more folks interested in "intervention" by late 1940 than "isolationism". Hitler was despised by the great majority of Americans. They saw him for what he was and were laughing at him as a clown. The Bund and other pro-nazi groups were a relatively small and had zero political power. They may have had support from bankers and industrialists, like Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush and even Joseph Kennedy (who was Irish and hated the British), but these people were smart enough to keep their true feelings to themselves publicly. They were outnumbered by American Socialists by about 10 to one (the Socialists were a strong Party here in the 30's... and they were very anti-Hitler).

Where the REAL isolationist problem was, was not even mentioned in this article... Japan. Very few people wanted war with Japan, and even fewer folks could point it out on a world map at the time

And the constantly re-appearing theory that the U.K. would have made peace with Hitler after he attacked Russia is utter nonsense as well. For one thing, why bother? They knew the Allies would win eventually... As soon as the first nazi tank roared across the inter-border into Soviet held Poland.. Germany was doomed to lose that war. Churchill and FDR knew that (Stalin freaked out and had a nervous breakdown for a couple months but once he calmed down he realized it too). In these cases, logistics numbers and realities of supply don't lie (also raw numbers of population to draw armies from). Hitler's idiotic belief of himself being the "Greatest Strategist General in History" didn't help, lol. And in 1941, everyone thought an A-Bomb was at least 10 years away, if it could even be done at all, so it was NOT part of the equation.

The article also claimed that we were tricked into World War One. The public opinion for the US to join the Allies was very high in 1917 ... They needed no tricks; and the Zimmerman Telegram and sinking of the Lusitania did the rest Both of those incidents are historical fact, and show how friggin' stupid the Imperial German High Command and Foreign Office really were. Sure the Lusitania was likely really carrying munitions, thus making it a "fair" target... But it was incredibly stupid to target it anyway: What's a few tons of ammo compared to adding 3 million more troops against you!

Having said that, have wars been engineered by international bankers providing lines of credit and munitions to both parties? Sure they have. But the way this article describes it, is not how it worked.

[lamare]

Sorry, but that article is nonsense and smells of German apologist theory hidden between the lines to me.

To be honest, I hadn't read the whole article. Rense is usually pretty accurate and I quickly quoted a part of the article, without reading it all.

As for "german apologist theory": it is always hard to separate information from disinformation. Whenever you look into stuff like this, lots of times you find a hidden truth behind some cover, behind which you'll find another big lie, sort of as a plan B if the cover gets blown. If you fall for that, you end up in the "holocaust denier" camp, which is a place where I don't want to go.

I think the part I quoted is pretty accurate, however.

Regarding FDR, the reason the Repubs ran Wilkie in the first place is, because they knew they did not have ONE SINGLE public figure at the time that could hope to go against FDR and get more than 25% of the vote... the most popular President in History before or since. That is fact. WHY FDR was so popular is up for debate, they certainly made him into something similar to Uncle Joe Stalin in the 30's using a cult of personality to make him into a "father figure".

I really can't comment on that, I don't know anything about this. What I do know about FDR is that there has been an attempt to ditch him and establish a fascist dictatorship in America. Guess who was behind it?

Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the constantly re-appearing theory that the U.K. would have made peace with Hitler after he attacked Russia is utter nonsense as well. For one thing, why bother? They knew the Allies would win eventually... As soon as the first nazi tank roared across the inter-border into Soviet held Poland.. Germany was doomed to lose that war. Churchill and FDR knew that (Stalin freaked out and had a nervous breakdown for a couple months but once he calmed down he realized it too). In these cases, logistics numbers and realities of supply don't lie (also raw numbers of population to draw armies from). Hitler's idiotic belief of himself being the "Greatest Strategist General in History" didn't help, lol. And in 1941, everyone thought an A-Bomb was at least 10 years away, if it could even be done at all, so it was NOT part of the equation.

This is an interesting story, because the wish for peace came from Hitler and definately not from Churchill. I brought this up here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post85058

So, it is an intriguing question why Hitler let himself be financed by the American banksters he hated so much. Did he know this, was he double-crossed?

Also an intriguing story in this sense, is the story around Rudolf Hess, about which Martin Allen wrote his book "The Hitler-Hess Deception":
The Hitler-Hess Deception: Amazon.co.uk: Martin Allen: Books

I have read this book, and one of the things Allen dug up, was that Hilter tried at least six or seven times to negotiate peace between England en Germany, because he saw communism in Russia as a common enemy. He even went so far that he was prepared to withdraw from at least some of the countries he occupied, such as The Netherlands and Belgium.

An intriguing detail in one of the documents Allen dug up was that Churchill did not want peace under any circumstance, not because of the nazi's, but because he did not want a German empire in Europe. In other words: the British empire could not tolerate another empire nearby, no matter who ruled it.

It appears that Hess' flight into Scotland, Germany's second in command, was indeed authorized by Hitler and I have the impression that this really was a genuine attempt to make peace in Western Europe.

However, that would not only have meant a competitor for the British empire, it would also have meant that Germany would remain independent and thus not under the control of the people who made such large investments there, after they first crushed the country by means of the Versailles treaty, which was witten by the Dulles brothers, Rockefellers' lawyers.

According to Allen, the British secret service (== Churchill) did negotiate with Hitler in the deepest secret, pretending to the Germans that there was a certain faction in Britain politics that would be prepared to ditch Churchill. So, according to Allen, the British used Hitlers interest for peace to double-cross him. The reason for that was that if Hitler believed he was very close to an agreement with the British, he might overcome his fear for a double front and attack Russia, which he eventually did. Of course, this was a very risky business which was not to come out, even to this day, which is probably why Hess was kept imprisoned for so long, and died under doubtful circumstances just after he was about to be released.

However, there is some evidence that these negotiations also took place after the Germans went for Russia. In the Dutch parliamentary hearing committee about the war, the Dutch replacement head of the SOE-Dutch section, Marine Colonel De Bruyne, declared under oath:

"in the autum, or at least the second half of 1942, big pressure was acted upon us by the British for hastening things up, because they saw a big opportunity in the beginning of '43 to reach an agreement with Germany, that is, a retreat of the military forces from Holland." German forces, of course...


What is also very interesting, is the story behind the A-bomb. There are two very intriguing books on Hitlers weapon industry:

Reich of The Black Sun - Nazi Secret Weapons and The Cold War Allied Legend
Critical Mass* - The Real Story of the Birth of the Atomic Bomb and the Nuclear Age

Farell found out that the Germans had a substantial secret weapons program, amongst other based on occult physics they derived from all kinds of ancient texts. One of the things they had, was "the bell", a device probably consisting of two counter-rotating masses or fluids, which would create anti-gravity effects, IIRC. They apparantly also had what we would call UFO's: HAUNEBU , even though Farell does not mention that.

Hydrick has investigated the story of the A-bomb and he comes with, what I consider convincing arguments, that the American A-bomb program was not nearly as succesful as we would think, and that in fact the US would never have been able to produce the bombs that were dropped on Japan by itself. First of all because the enrichment programs did not deliver enough enriched uranium by far, and secondly because they did not have the technology to ignite a plutiniumbomb, while a plutioniumbomb has been dropped on Japan.

Hydrick comes with a convincing story that Auschwitz was not a chemical plant, but a uranium enrichment plant, given the fact that never any synthetic rubber was actually produced and the fact that the plant had an electricity bill bigger than that of Berlin. He argues that enriched uranium, produced at Auschwitz, was shipped by submarine to Japan along with high-tech trigger devices needed for a plutonium bomb, which ended up in the US, possibly as part of the "operation paperclip" program and/or the result of secret deals between the nazi's and the US.

[aljhoa]

Rense is usually pretty accurate and I quickly quoted a part of the article, without reading it all.

Hydrick comes with a convincing story that Auschwitz was not a chemical plant, but a uranium enrichment plant, given the fact that never any synthetic rubber was actually produced and the fact that the plant had an electricity bill bigger than that of Berlin. He argues that enriched uranium, produced at Auschwitz, was shipped by submarine to Japan along with high-tech trigger devices needed for a plutonium bomb, which ended up in the US, possibly as part of the "operation paperclip" program and/or the result of secret deals between the nazi's and the US.

rense.com
The Auschwitz Camps

The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there between 1942 and mid-1944.

The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted to the war economy.
Auschwitz - Myths & Facts

Al

[lamare]

rense.com
The Auschwitz Camps

The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there between 1942 and mid-1944.

The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted to the war economy.
Auschwitz - Myths & Facts

Al

@Al:

excellent find!

This illustrates exactly my point:

As for "german apologist theory": it is always hard to separate information from disinformation. Whenever you look into stuff like this, lots of times you find a hidden truth behind some cover, behind which you'll find another big lie, sort of as a plan B if the cover gets blown. If you fall for that, you end up in the "holocaust denier" camp, which is a place where I don't want to go.

I think this article clearly shows "plan B". Basically, there is a delicate web of information and disinformation around this subject, which is there for a reason. Someone wants to hide something and went to great length to hide the truth. I believe there is reason to doubt some of the numbers that have been brought forward and I also believe there has been a deliberate propaganda action to exaggerate the numbers, of course in order to hide something.

So, the question is: what is it that we are not supposed to know about?

I think the answer can be found in the books by Farell and Hydrick I posted before. The Germans were much further ahead with their secret technology programs than we could ever have imagined. I believe these secret programs were carried out in close cooperation, or at least with the knowledge of, the financiers of the third reich, Wall Street. Whatever the case, the technologies developped there, appear to have been transferred to the US (and probably Russia also) after the war and became the basis for the many black projects carried out in the US afterwards.

[jibbguy]

Holocaust denial is friggin STUPID. The evidence is CLEAR. My Great Uncle was one of the soldiers that liberated these camps, he saw it all with his own eyes.

And if people died of Typhus in work camps, caused by deliberately intolerable and sadistic living conditions, or were gassed, hardly matters in the end. Work camp statistics were carefully kept by the Germans, but like all the other articles that has been linked on this subject from this HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE SOURCE, it ignores the REAL FACTS. There were TOTALLY SEPARATE camps, one for workers, one for immediate gassing. These basterds were not so frigging stupid to keep records on the immediate death camp!

This is not rocket science, and the facts are available to anyone who studies this. There were THOUSANDS of eye witnesses to this: Even SS officers gave testimony on this in attempts to save themselves from the noose!

Frankly, a person has to be a FRIGGIN IDIOT or a RACIST (same thing in my book) to believe this nonsense.

Articles that DELIBERATELY LIE to push a hidden agenda NEED to be outed.

I wont allow garbage like that to go unanswered. There certainly IS a large and growing and friggin EVIL plot to re-write History, and to deny the Holocaust.. Now that, like my Great Uncle, most of the people who DID witness it are DEAD. Frack that. And frack articles like this. I'm still alive, and so are millions of others who know what really happened from their own relatives.

I don't give a flying hoot if these articles comes from "Rense", or if they flew out of a monkey's ass. They SUCK as far actual facts go, and they are deliberate attempts to deny the TRUTH of what the nazi's did... And would have done to the whole friggin world except for millions of people like my Great Uncles (4 of them in all) who gave up the pleasures of youth to face death and very hard times in World War Two... Coming home to NEVER be the same person again, facing nightmares and troubled thoughts the rest of their lives.

Modern Germans have nothing at all to do with it. They are completely innocent of any of these crimes. It is THEIR Great- and Great-Great Uncles' generation who were to blame.

But it is highly important that this blame be placed there for all time. The Greatest Generation did not give up their youth, and die in battle, so revisionist a-holes 70 years later could re-write history with bogus articles that twist and lie.

Having said all that, the carpet bombing of German cities that deliberately targeted civilians in 1945 ; after the war was certainly "won", by both British and American bombers, was a war crime as well. More civilians died in this than died in the Atomic Bombs on Japan (just in 1945 alone). If someone wants to expose hidden WW2 History; they should look there. But trying to deny the Holocaust took place is pissing up a rope: You WILL be proved WRONG, this i can promise you.

Try it, and i'm your Huckelberry... and all gloves come off. I don't stand for that sh*t for a second. Just don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

And any other clichés i can think of


And Lamare, if you Quote me again, please get it right this time. In the previous quoted post, only TWO of them were mine (only one had my name over it), the other quote sections were from somewhere else (with no names over them.. Which implied they were still "mine"). I do not want my name associated with things I DID NOT SAY. I'm sure it was a simple mistake, but i would appreciate it if you make sure it doesn't happen again... I am overly-touchy on this subject perhaps, but "quoting" is a very slippery slope and it cannot be messed around with. Those who use quotes, should realize they have a responsibility to always get it 100% right.

[lamare]

@jibbguy:

Let me make one thing very clear: I am not denying the holocaust. It really makes me sad if I have given that impression. That hurts me, it really does.

Al I'm trying to do is to make sense of what happened back then and answer some of the questions I had and have. What happened in that awful war, like in all wars that are still continuing today, should be a lesson for all of us.

We cannot allow history being rewritten over the backs of the victims of whatever war that has been and is still taring this planet apart. Every now and then, we need to find the courage of daring to ask questions and try and find the truth, whatever that may be. If we allow the truth to be hidden for whatever reason by whomever, then we let the victims down.

Still, we must also realise that we are all just human and do make mistakes. When you look into these subjects, you are going to make mistakes and you are going to hurt peoples feelings, now matter how careful you try to be. If I did and where I did, I sincerely apologize.

I mean no harm, I just want to know the truth and I want to learn from that and most of all, I want peace on this planet.

I am sick of all the suffering, all the lies and all the injustice around us and pray that the end of the suffering is near and that we may find peace and happiness sooner rather than later.

In love and light,

-- Arend Lammertink --

[jibbguy]

Lamare, I don't think you are an Holocaust Apologist

But i cannot let articles like that go unchallenged; even if they just "smell" of it.

Sure there are certainly things that History got wrong. But the Holocaust is not one of them, if anything it is often understated (because non-Jewish people died in EVEN GREATER numbers as well under the nazis' hands, many of these murders during very confusing times during Retreats "falling through the cracks" and not getting counted after the war... Poles, Russians and the old Soviet countries, old Yugoslavia, Greece, and the citizens of many other nations such as yours, Italy (...after it switched sides in 1944), France, and Norway. These incidences of terrorism are mostly forgotten except by the people in the local areas, and not added into the Holocaust total of "Six Million" which is the most commonly heard number...

Some Historians say it would DOUBLE that number if they were added in properly. Four million is a conservative estimate.

I don't hear that author at Rense complaining about THIS little dicrepency in History... And these deaths had nothing to do with "camps".

The nazis' usually did these murders with pistols in the back of heads, or with machine guns, machine pistols, or rifles against a wall or out in a deserted field, or even using the old Viking method of locking entire villages into the Church and setting it on fire. These things really happened (especially in Eastern Europe). They were not isolated incidences, they were systematic responses WRITTEN DOWN IN HAND-BOOK MANUALS as retaliation for any sort of resistance in the area... Often done at random. Not only that, but as the nazis retreated across the Steppes and Eastern Europe while the Russians advanced, they razed the earth entirely so over a million people died of starvation after (no one knows how many, because the Soviets kept that secret).

The "Special Sections" of the Waffen SS who were tasked with the majority of these "jobs" in occupied counties (in Poland i think it was in this case), once turned in paperwork showing that they used over 100 tons of ammo during 3 months in early 1943.. And they were not in a fighting zone, nor were Partisans operating in the sector at the time. That is over 100 tons of bullets that were used only on civilians.

All this... The actions in the occupied countries, the camps, was bestial and completely sociopath behavior that can NEVER be forgotten or forgiven. Lets NOT FORGET THAT when taking about these subjects.

[lamare]

All this... The actions in the occupied countries, the camps, was bestial and completely sociopath behavior that can NEVER be forgotten or forgiven. Lets NOT FORGET THAT when taking about these subjects.

Thank you for your reaction. Maybe it is good to share a bit more about myself and the subject of WW-II.

The war has been an important part of my life, because it was much talked about in my family and I also met some airmen that were shot down over our town during the war. My grandfather has been in Dusseldorf, where he survived a bombardment during which a bomb-shell wiped away the brim of his cap. He was forced to work there by the Germans. I always admired in him that he never felt any hatred against the Germans, even though he never went to Germany again.

At some point, I was drawn into conspiracy theories and truth finding. I turned many stones around, as you can see in this thread. I discovered many strange things and basically concluded that there is a ruling class that treats us as slaves and makes us fight their wars for their profits. I got very scared an negative and went trough a mental breakdown for about half a year. Meanwhile, I tried desperately to fight the negative, for example by writing to our parliament, etc. not realising that by fighting negativity by concentrating on it only makes it stronger. As you can see, for a moment, I tripped right into that trap again...

After that period, I discovered free energy and I discovered that there are many flaws in current science, amongst which electromagnetics and the evolution theory in the sense that evolution is not a random process. I watched all the documentaries by Prof. Walter Veith I could get my hands on, and so I became religous and found a lot of comfort in the bible. This is also where I learned a lot about freemasons and the symbolism you also find in this thread.

Now I'm realizing that every person has freedom of choice, which means that you cannot even see freemasonry or other secret societies in black and white. I also realize that we are not alone in the universe and that it is true that we are in a period of tremendous change, and that we will be in for a very interesting ride on the way to dec. 21st 2012.

What I also realize, is that we have to fight negativity, such as expressed in this thread, by concentraring on love and positive thoughts, because it matters what we think. Thoughs are a form of energy, which have much more effect on the world and universe around us than most of us are aware of.

So, basically my whole world has changed the past couple of years, and now I look forward to the future, with confidence that we will indeed enter a golden age of peace, love and prosperity. So, maybe we should all leave thoughts about wars behind us, leave all fear behind us and concentrate on love, peace and happyness, because that is what really brings these beasts to their knees and frees us of their control.

So, let me point you to a video I enjoy at the moment:

YouTube - Part 1 of 10 - Pleiadian Message from The Galactic Federation

I hope my story, as been shared here, may be helpful to others in their path and I hope everyone will find



and realise that we are all about to go home:



Having said this, I want to state here publicly that tonight I smoked my last sigaret. I tried to stop with the previous beginning of a new year, january the 1st, and failed. However, now I get another chance for a new beginning, because in one hour there's Valentine's day as well as the Chinese new year, which I just found out today when I went to get some Chinese food.

And that was very special, because when I wished the Chinese waitress a very happy new year, I said with confidence to her that I thought that would be happening. Anyway, I look forward to tommorrow, because I expect there will be some kind of a surprise for all of us.

In love and light,

-- Arend --

[aljhoa]

Lamare, I don't think you are an Holocaust Apologist

Sure there are certainly things that History got wrong. But the Holocaust is not one of them, if anything it is often understated (because non-Jewish people died in EVEN GREATER numbers as well under the nazis' hands, many of these murders during very confusing times during Retreats "falling through the cracks" and not getting counted after the war... Poles, Russians and the old Soviet countries, old Yugoslavia, Greece, and the citizens of many other nations such as yours, Italy (...after it switched sides in 1944), France, and Norway. These incidences of terrorism are mostly forgotten except by the people in the local areas, and not added into the Holocaust total of "Six Million" which is the most commonly heard number...

Holocaust [(hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-kawst)]

The killing of some six million Jews by the Nazis during World War II. To the Nazis, the Holocaust was the “Final Solution” to the “Jewish problem,” and would help them establish a pure German master race. Much of the killing took place in concentration camps, such as Auschwitz and Dachau. (See Adolf Eichmann and Heinrich Himmler.)
Holocaust | Definition of Holocaust at Dictionary.com:

This is an anti-Hitler website, by the way. But that is not the problem. It is also an anti-Stalin, anti-Churchill, anti-Roosevelt, and anti-Rothschild/Warburg Bankster website, and that IS the problem. All four of these super criminals were funded by this same Banking Syndicate to bring about World War II -- resulting 70 million dead on the battlefields of Europe.
The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler

Al

[ANTIQUER]

Jibb;

Good job on posts #20,#24 and #26. I also had relatives and friends who fought in WWII in both the Pacific and European theaters, including one who was a Colonel on General Eisenhower's staff. Their stories conformed to the widely known historically recorded facts, not to the revisions and speculations of people like Rense. Their agenda is obvious; to make money writing books, articles, hosting their own talk shows, etc. The world would be better off if they were ignored and left to fade into oblivion.

@Lamare; I humbly suggest you stop listening to their junk and read your Bible more, especially The Book of John, and especially chapter 3. You will feel much better. The past is the past and should be allowed to pass, not dwelt on. We should just remember the lessons learned so hopefully the mistakes are not repeated.

Good luck with kicking the smoking habit.

Al

[jibbguy]

@ ANTIQUER: Thanks for the comments, M8.. i appreciate it. They truly were the "Greatest Generation" in my book

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@ Aljhoa: Yes, i did lump in the millions of non-Jewish deaths into Hitler's Holocaust even though the official definition is quite narrow (although it also usually includes the Romani persecution as well which was not mentioned in that definition, of close to 1 million deaths leaving Europe with less than 2,500 surviving in 1946).

And your second link gave an excuse for one of my favorite rants lol (please don't take it personally, it is not aimed at you).....

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"Zionism" and the Truth Movements


The subject "Zionist" linked above disturbs me on several levels. It seems every time we turn around, someone wants to "bugger-up" the Truth movements with that Zionist stuff that is often deliberately

DESIGNED TO TURN PEOPLE OFF.

This is often done by paid shills working for the alphabet agencies of the US government; who attempt to discredit the Truth movements and Free Energy (i consider "F-E" and Open Source to pretty much be "Truth Movements" as well).

Of course millions believe that Zionist stuff "honestly" as well, and i am not accusing them of anything but poor judgment for bringing it up

It's important to understand that:

> No one i know in Free Energy has anything to do with any kind of Hate messages.

> No one i know in the 911 Truth movement has anything to do with them either.


Many concerned folks understand that mentioning such subjects that point fingers at relatively small groups, which at most are only a minor part of the greater REAL problem, can do no good at all... AND CAN ONLY DO HARM.

We need a new term, such as "Humanoids"... That we can point fingers at, lol. Because THAT is exactly who is at fault. Our species.

"Those damned Humanoid bankers, are trying to break us all so they can takes away everything we own and control us like feudal lords!"

"These damned Humanoids in control of the mainstream media and popular entertainment are liars and propagandist shills with no ethics at all, who sell their souls for money at the cost of everyone else. They are destroying our nation and culture!"

"Humanoids are scum. They breed like rats! They should be removed from the planet!"

Lol, if our Dolphin friends were "hateful" maybe that is what they are saying with this Language of theirs

Should a grand NWO conspiracy exist; it is run by what could be described as: "White Anglo-Saxon Protestants"... not Zionists, Democrats, or Republicans... nor Jewish people, African-American people, Hispanic people, Indian people, Pakistani people, Japanese people, Chinese people, or any other. And not by "the Vatican" either.

It would be simply Elitists who usually (but not always), come from long lines of elitists. I've met many of these people in the business world, who are CEO's and V.P.'s of major corporations. They ARE a breed apart, and it IS a closed circle. Not one of them was a "Zionist" lol, and their Country Clubs or Yacht Clubs would probably not have more than one or two Jewish persons in them, and that only to cover their rears against Discrimination claims.

We ALL can just look in the mirror and see "the face of evil"... Because it exists in all cultures and communities. This is undeniable fact.

Frankly i think much of the hate crap we see is really about not wanting to believe just how bad our own country's government and society has become (because it reflects on us personally)... So someone ELSE must be to blame for it.

NOPE... we have only ourselves to blame for letting it get so bad.

And only we can turn it around. From the bottom-up.

And of course there is the other cynical psy-ops usage of it, to discredit the Truth movements by adding in undertones of Racism and ignorance to turn good people away from the REAL messages which have NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH "ZIONISM". We should all understand something

VERY FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS SUBJECT:

This problem with the term "Zionists" has nothing to do with the actual differences between the Israeli government's policies, and "Jewish People" in general... It is about PERCEPTION. And the VAST MAJORITY of people perceive the word "Zionist" as having a racist hidden agenda (because, sadly, it often does). But the point is, whether that is true or not doesn't matter at all, it is the COMMON PERCEPTION that matters here. People can come to their own conclusions on these subjects without someone trying to push an added pile of crap on them which seriously detracts from the main focus. Frankly, the subject is so contentious and emotionally-loaded, that imo, it is senseless to drag it out and can only result in folks turning away, and no gain at all.

If you TRY to explain the differences involved, most people will walk away before you finish... GET IT? It is too emotional a subject.

IT HELPS NOTHING AT ALL TO BRING IT UP "ZIONISM" AND ONLY DAMAGES THE MOVEMENTS FOR TRUTH.

So if you care about Free Energy,

I would urge you to DON'T BRING THAT UP HERE. I cant stop anyone of course, all i can do is to try to make sure people know "THIS IS NOT US!!"

Because this is an important message that shows we are not secretly racist a-holes who "hate". We can rail about "perceptions" being unfair; but examine it objectively, and i believe you will be forced to agree this is the actual case.

What i would like to see, is a situation where NO ONE but paid shills trying to damage our Causes would bring it up: That way, they "out" themselves every time they do it.. So pretty soon no one will

But i guess i've got a lot of folks to convince of this yet.... I see it all the time, even places like Facebook, coming from folks that i do not suspect of being shills. I've even had people "unfriend" me over this subject (lol shills would never do that). But i feel it is of the highest importance and MUST BE SAID. We cannot afford these "Perceptions". We need a hundred million more folks learning about these subjects in the future if we are to gain real grass roots power.

So if any of you folks out there are new to the forum, please understand that

THIS IS NOT US.