Very interesting developments...

[Ted Ewert]

Calling BS is not a statement of hatred. I think the holocaust is largely exaggerated and fabricated, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone. "History" is always distorted to conform to the historian's point of view. When a political entity or movement gets an exclusive hold of the historical dialog, it eventually bares little or no resemblance to what really happened.
The Zionists needed the holocaust to use as an excuse to establish Israel. They use it as a blanket justification of Israeli's existence, and as a sympathy mechanism to hide behind. It has enriched many people over the years and continues to do so. It also helps to deflect criticism of the Israeli's treatment of the Palestinians.
Everybody forgets that the Jewish Nation DECLARED WAR on Germany before WW2 even got started. Therefore, the Jews everywhere were considered enemy combatants and dealt with as such. The Jewish Nation also declared a boycott of German goods (before they declared war) and called on the world to join them. Research how the Zionists obtained the Balfour Document and you will start to see why they weren't the most popular group in Germany at the time. The Jews largely dug their own graves before WW2 ever started.
I'm not defending, nor do I endorse, anything the Germans did to the Jews, or anyone else for that matter. I am merely illustrating the fact that there is always another side to the argument.
The whole holocaust industry stinks to high heaven, just as global warming and 911 do. They all have the same foul stench because they were all brought to us by the same group of scum. The Jews, as well as the Muslims and Christians for that matter, are just the patsies who are turned against one another to foster an atmosphere of hatred and mistrust.
Facing the truth isn't always easy. It has a tendency to destroy the pillars of our common understanding, which can sometimes be quite unsettling. Nevertheless, we have to face it. We just have to make sure we face it with wisdom and compassion, and not with hatred and condemnation.

Cheers,

Ted

[lamare]

@Lamare; I humbly suggest you stop listening to their junk and read your Bible more, especially The Book of John, and especially chapter 3. You will feel much better. The past is the past and should be allowed to pass, not dwelt on. We should just remember the lessons learned so hopefully the mistakes are not repeated.

Good luck with kicking the smoking habit.

Al

It is an interesting chapter indeed. Thanks a lot :

John 3 - Passage*Lookup - King James Version - BibleGateway.com

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This is a very intriquing part:

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

"no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven"

Jesus was apparantly not in heaven himself at the moment he spoke these words. IIRC, it is known that some men were already in heaven (Elija?), so this seems to imply that not only every man can go into heaven, he also "came down from heaven".

I mean, if ascention to heaven is only possible for those who came down from heaven, how can we be anything other than beings that came down from heaven ourselves?

So, it appears that we have to make contact with "the sprit" in order to be "born again"...

Also, very interesting that Jesus speaks in plural form: "We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness."


Another intriquing story about Jesus is that he was to come back some day. An interesting detail in the bible prophecies is the 1844 date, as explained by Prof. Walter Veith. One of the things Veith said is that Jesus would come with all of his angels and that the people would meet him "in the air". And then, there is the story of the new Jerusalem, which would come down from heaven. How could that be anything other than a space-ship of some kind?

So, what should we make of this, then?

ASHTAR - A Tribute - Compiled by TUELLA

Your planet is in imminent danger of cataclysmic upheavals because of disruptions in the magnetic field. This is caused by the tremendous negative vibrations you have been transmitting to one another for these thousands of years. The hatred, wars, murder, and atomic experiments have all collectively added extra weight in the form of negative energy to poles of your planet, and very soon it is likely to tilt further on its axis, creating destruction to the surface of your planet through resulting earthquakes, tidal waves, volcanoes, and windstorms of unprecedented velocities.

MOST of the people of Earth would be killed - if it were not for us, your space Brothers and Sisters who are monitoring force and danger to you every moment of your existence.

There are millions, yes, millions of space ships invisible to your eyes at your present level of 'vibration.' For years we have been encircling your planet; some of our 'Mother Ships' anchored high in your atmosphere are 100 miles across! These 'Mother Ships' contain entire cities with gardens, grass, trees, and accommodations for literally millions of people!

Why are we telling you this? Because we are on a mission of LOVE from the Alliance For Peace from the Intergalactic Council, whose authority comes from the Spiritual Hierarchy of the Solar System, and whose Supreme Commander is JESUS CHRIST-SANANDA, as he is called by us of the Alliance.

You see, people of Earth, we represent a great Confederation of Planets, all of whom have long given up war as a solution to problems. Because we are of a great number, you get conflicting accounts of our descriptions when your people see us. We are many of a spiritual design and come from a different dimension. This is one reason we are invisible to you.

Another reason is, we do not wish to frighten you in any way. Ours is a Mission of Love. We could have long ago easily subdued you and made you slaves, if that had been our desire. Our technology is very advanced!

It seems to me that one of the most inspiring areas of the character of Ashtar is his consistent and enthusiastic devotion to Jesus-Sananda, the Christ. I asked Ashtar: What is your relationship to Jesus?" He answered:

"The same as yours. He is a revered and respected great Being of Light proceeding from the government of the Great Central Sun. He is a beloved Teacher through this entire Universe, known and loved by all. His sacrifices for the cause of Light are tremendous above that of any other, and for this Planet He has truly earned His position of World Teacher. However, He is involved with the entire Universe and not simply this Planet. His prestige is much more prodigious on other worlds than on this Planet, where He has been scorned many times.

"I have served with our Beloved World Teacher; as His assistant and representative through many eons and cultures, particularly upon this Planet. When the plans for His Galilean embodiment were finalized, I volunteered my energies to His mission without reservation. The closeness of our relationship has sometimes created a confusion between the two by many sincere souls. That may be explained later in this text.

"Our great craft has patrolled this system for many many ages before our direct contact and accelerated influence began in the 'forties of your time span. The history of our contact with Humanity is recorded, but most do not recognize it as such, neither accept it in that light. But in every instance, preserved in sacred writings of contact from another dimension of time and space heralds our presence. Those who received us were in most cases themselves a part of us and the Divine Hierarchy of this System Authority, or planetary Guardians, as you might term them today.

"I was the first appointed to my task of Galactic supervision of Extraterrestrial Fleets on the Mission to Earth, and have remained in that service ever since. I am one with the Beloved Commander, and serve with Him and the Heavenly Host in His Name, and for the benefit of Planet Earth and Humanity. Our assignment has been long and arduous, but we shall prevail and see the Kingdom of God on Earth. We serve in the interest of Truth, and the Glory of the Radiant One to see God's Divine Plan fulfilled. That is the Mission of my life and of all those who serve with me."

[jibbguy]

@ Ted,

i am sorry to disagree with you on this subject, but there is absolutely nothing of substance to base that belief on. People can try to equate the Holocaust to "911" and "Global Warming", and claim they are similar lies, but without anything AT ALL TO BACK IT, it falls completely flat.

EVERY SINGLE article (dozens) i have seen on this is similar to the ones at Rense, that have NO FACTS to back them AT ALL. Only speculation. On the other side, is a huge mountain of facts and eye witness accounts. These articles suggest that the many thousands of people who who saw the horrors with their own eyes and who testified to these bestial acts being done lied somehow? That is frankly absurd.

I know my Great Uncle didn't lie to us. He had nightmares about it the rest of his life. He wouldn't eat any German food, or even ride in a German car. He never forgave the German people for what they did. My other Great Uncle who fought in several Pacific campaigns in one of the most dangerous jobs there was, a Navy landing craft pilot; felt the same about Japan... he eye-witnessed the suicide / murder of civilians at Saipan, where hundreds of women and children were either pushed or jumped off cliffs to avoid being captured by US Marines; whom they had been led to believe by the propaganda, would torture and kill them.

I can only say that there are literally THOUSANDS of grisly photos (some of them taken as "home movies" by nazis officers THEMSELVES showing them murdering innocent civilians), tens of thousands of Witnesses, tons of captured documents, and the data from our own armed forces who occupied Germany in 1945 and who told their families of what they saw with their own eyes... Who had NO REASON TO LIE.

I have known Holocaust Survivors, co-workers; and have seen the numbers tattooed on their arm with my own eyes.

People always like to quote Eisenhower for his going-away speech when he outed the "Military Industrial Complex"....

They they ignore him on this subject?

He was so pissed off and deeply disturbed by what they found in Southern Germany, at one point he considered summary executions of every SS man captured. Cooler heads prevailed, but he did certainly make the famous comment regarding how it must all be documented, or some time in the future people would deny it happened. He and many professional soldiers were very much shaken and angered by this: As a Soldier's duty is to protect civilians, not murder them...

Besides the very chilling implications of such evil being done on a systematic and organized basis, which is disquieting for any thinking person to contemplate... A modern society and culture turned elementally bestial and completely sociopath.

It WAS documented.

... and some still deny it anyway.

In one sense, what the nazis did was WORSE than what history has written. One thing that history cannot do very well is record thinking processes and mind sets of the individuals involved back then. The mind set fostered by nazis was pure evil, pure sociopath. It revolved around simply eliminating an entire section of society in order to take their wealth for themselves. It was the institutional endorsement of evil and psychopathic behavior... The "killing of empathy"; the open embracing of evil.

Sure, many Germans at the time were against it, and no one could stop the nazis as they had total control of everything in Germany. But it did happen.

These misguided angles to what really happened in WW2 would better be focused to the U.S. and Britain's embracing of nazis after the war. Thousands of them came to work for us and the Russians both. It has been found that Werner Von Braun was a much more active nazi than was claimed, for instance. He had blood on his hands regarding the deaths of thousands of slave laborers who built the V weapons in tunnels and mines... All these workers were killed in the last days of the war to keep what they did secret; and there are documents showing this with his signature on them (he was an SS Colonel). Many in high echelons of the Gestapo arm of the SS went to work for the OSS/ CIA... All in the name of "anti-communism". During the war, these people were the main driving force behind the millions of civilian murders in Eastern Europe... And here in the US they were given pensions and nice houses and prestigious jobs. In Russia at least, the former nazi scientists were treated like slaves with their families held hostage. In the West, they were feted and treated like newly-hired vice presidents of corporations. Von Braun even became a national hero.

There can be a grand NWO plan, and still be the incredible horrors of nazism. They are not incompatible; and the fact that the wars were engineered to begin with, have nothing to do with the German regime's Crimes Against Humanity. The industrialists and international bankers could have "played" Hitler all the way, realizing that he was a dangerous sociopath that would be a "useful tool", the same as they could manipulate anyone to get what they wanted. That does not excuse what the nazis did.

And this is exactly what the holocaust denial stuff is: Manipulation of facts to change the subject away from the REAL problems we face. I am claiming that much of it, including some of the internet sites this stuff can be seen on, is manufactured and controlled by government agencies... to discredit the Truth movements and to turn good people away because when they see this stuff, they wonder if the whole thing is really a front for a bunch of ignorant "haters" and racists. Again, this is a game of PERCEPTION.. And perception is really all that matters here.

I would strongly recommend against thinking that the holocaust was "over-rated". It was not, the horrors, and worse, certainly existed. But the key point to remember is, such talk is only destructive to our causes, and can do no good whatsoever.

[Ted Ewert]

You say yourself that the wars were engineered, which I agree with. Why is it so difficult for you to realize that the "holocaust" was also engineered by the same people? Why is the Jewish holocaust any worse than the Russian, Polish, Chinese, Cambodian or even Palestinian holocausts? It isn't. It's made "worse" because it serves a political purpose.
I have read enough actual historical documentation to know that what we are told about the holocaust and what really happened are two entirely different things. Does that make me an evil "holocaust denier"? Is it really so black and white? I'm not saying the Jews weren't put into camps, and in many cases murdered. I'm just saying that the whole holocaust was done for a reason, and it wasn't just because the Nazi's hated the Jews.
We all strive here to learn the truth about physics, science and energy. We all agree that we have been fed a consistent diet of BS about all these subjects.
We've been constantly lied to by our governments over a wide range of subjects. We have been manipulated and brainwashed by the people who we elect to be our leaders. We've been treated like so many cattle, and worse. So what makes you so sure that the public version of the holocaust story is the truth? Because your co-worker has a tattoo? Haven't you ever asked yourself why the Germans would go to all the trouble of tattooing people if they were just going to kill them? That's just one of the many inconsistencies that should be studied and understood.
The Jews were used, and continue to be used, for the nefarious ends of the psychopaths who are controlling things. They were victims alright, but the Nazis were used as the scapegoats to deflect attention away from the people who planned the whole thing in the first place.
We are all the victims of a small group of people who have decided that they are going to run the world by lying and manipulating us into fighting their wars and killing each other over nothing.
The real holocaust is one of ignorance and complacency.


Cheers,

Ted

[lamare]

It seems we all seem to agree that wars are a bad idea and that all victims are equal, as would any sane person do, IMHO. So, the question is: why do we make war?

Because someone benefits, that's why, and that someone is not the average person on the streets.

Whatever the case, what is important in this discussion and relevant in the topic of free energy, is the toys that were developped in Nazi Germany, financed by Wall street, and which were later exported to the US' black projects. It seems the Nazi's just relocated their facilities to the US and are not yet beaten. I have pointed to Farell before, and as it happens Richard Hoagland points to the exact same author in his analysis of the Norway spiral, which appears to have been an astonishing public demonstration of a scalar wave weapon:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message3.htm

Again, for those even slightly familiar with the "arc" of our Enterprise investigations over the past 20 or so years, and especially, for those who have read our "magnum opus" on the "radically distorted origins and inside politics" of NASA -- Dark Mission -- it should come as no surprise that our own first thoughts regarding the ultimate "creators" of this obviously "Tetrahedral Warning" was--

The Secret Space Program!

An "over a half-century-long Program" ... completely hidden from all public view ... the REAL Space Program ... based not on "primitive and dangerous space technologies, like rockets ..." -- but on deep-black, cutting-edge, Nazi-WWII-developed HD/torsion technologies--

The development of which has been well-documented in Dark Mission ... and by another Enterprise Associate -- Oxford's Dr. Joseph Farrell.

Apart from being highly relevant to the "Norway situation" (see below), Joseph's unique historical research, serendipitously, now also sheds stunning new light on the real explanation for the long-reigning "UFO distraction" of our time--

Roswell.

Farrell's paradigm-busting research -- based on both newly-declassified WWII Nazi documents, as well as a crucial new perspective on the evidence contained in the various Roswell "eyewitness testimonies," chronicled by other researchers over the years -- is that "Roswell" now, in all probability, represents the deliberate PR distorsion of a much more amazing reality--

An entire, hidden, herculian, top-secret, post-WWII torsion research and development program ..."--

Deliberately "smuggled" into the United States at the end of the War.

A program to initially "back-engineer early Nazi-developed WWII torsion technologies and weapons systems ..." -- and then make them operational.

That this -- not "little grey aliens" -- is the Ultra-Top-Secret Reality behind "the sixty-year-old, heavily manipulated, Roswell Legend ..." (below).

An even more startling reality ... artfully hidden behind "the crashed alien UFO cover-story," in all its on-going soap-opera ... for more than 60 years.

The fact is that "Roswell," in Farrell's analysis, is nothing less than a human anti-gravity "torsion" space vehicle ... derived from Nazi-derived technology, brought to the United States at the end of WWII--

Which crashed in a post-WWII "flight test."

[jibbguy]

There can be NO excuse for what the nazis did. They can never be forgiven.

And frankly, just because you and others with nothing to back you, say it was "not as bad as they say it was", is no reason at all for anyone to believe it. You have absolutely no proof of this. On the other side, there is a huge mountain of it that defines just how hideously bad it was.

This is very serious stuff you are claiming, that many people who lived through those times take VERY SERIOUSLY. Like my old friend from 30 years ago with the number tattoo (actually he was my boss); who was a child in the camps. If he were alive today (he died in his 50's, as a result of extreme malnutrition and illness as a child of the camps), he would not tolerate it for a second! So i feel compelled to speak in a small way for him. The stories he told me in a matter-of-fact way regarding the constant tortures and abuse from the guards were so horrible, that i shudder to even remember them.

They used to pull people out of line and randomly shoot them. Every morning. They used to grab people, then do a "fake", putting that person back and grabbing another to be shot... Just as psychological torture.

Frankly you have no right to make such outrageous claims, since all you have is your own "surety" that it was over-blown. I am telling you; you are wrong about this. And in fact, in this case, i believe you are the one being manipulated.

Here is where the basic argument that the Germans were "NWO Patsies" falls apart utterly:

They were criminals operating under their own beliefs, thinking THEY were in control. Whether folks reading highly suspicious revisionist nazi apologist articles want to say they were "manipulated" or not, makes no difference at all to the actual RESULTS of what these beasts did; not only killing many millions, but irreparably damaging the lives of Hundreds of Millions more. The bestiality was beyond anything seen since the Middle Ages. They threw away modern civilized behavior to gain what they wanted, with nothing but contempt for anyone who was not in their immediate group (not even the German citizenry... Who in the last days in the bunker in Berlin, Hitler continually railed against how they had "betrayed him" and allowed for his defeat). Hitler deliberately ordered the bomb shelters in the Berlin Underground to be flooded with water: The result being the murder by drowning of thousands of women and children hiding from the incessant shelling and bombing there. HE MURDERED EVEN HIS OWN PEOPLE.

Only the fact that most of the high SS officers had already deserted to save their own skins, kept hitler's final orders for a total "Goddamerung" to be carried out: The total destruction of EVERYTHING in Germany. He ordered EVERYTHING to by dynamited... So no two stones would stand on one another. This is fact.

What the NWO conspiracy always seems to forget is, there are always ALSO criminals and sociopaths simply working for themselves; who have no notion of a grand conspiracy; and who in their own hubris, would laugh at thinking they are being manipulated. Even if they ARE being manipulated, they are still criminals who did what they did out of sociopathic self interest, saying screw everyone else, i am taking what i want. The rule of the jungle.

And as long as everyone focuses on the grand conspiracies, these "boring" criminals are hardly noticed... And often their purely self-seeking crimes are attributed to the NWO.

The "NWO elitists" HAVE NO EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS ON CRIME AND ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOR!

Everything is NOT about them

And i do know this revisionist crap is being DELIBERATELY INJECTED into the truth movements even though it has no place AT ALL there. THERE IS NO REASON FOR IT... Except to turn good people off with racist-sounding crap that can ONLY HURT AND NOT HELP ANYTHING.

Just like in free energy, not all the suppressions we see are orchestrated government policy. Some of it is "simple" corporate crime committed independently... Done to protect their interests from losing market share, monopoly control, prestige & political power, and profits. This does not mean there isn't ALSO a government agenda to stop Free Energy, just that they are not the only players.. Lol there is "competition in crime"

I've spend literally hundreds of hours reading about Germany and that era in history (i think you will find i know the REAL facts of what happened quite well).

Much of this study was about trying to understand how the German people could do such things. I never really "got it"... Until 2003 . Then i finally understood how it could happen; when i saw a large percentage of the U.S. population willing to bomb IRAN let alone Iraq (although neither of them had a thing to do with "9/11" ). And what was that all about?...

Behind the facade, it is about being willing to kill others of a different culture, to take what they have. For Oil. For a little more "Security". Whatever. It is a self-justification that we are more important and viable than others, so it is OK to kill them, occupy their countries, bomb them back to the stone age... Simply because they make negative references to us in news reports, and because some talking head on the news says they are "dangerous"... These are nothing but lame excuses for hate. It is really about naked self-interest trumping civilized behavior. And because of the press propaganda whipping it all up into a fervor.. The majority of Americans accepted wars of aggression, and the killing of civilians, as a tolerable means of getting what they want: Plenty of oil for their SUV's, and to be just left alone to buy useless crap at the Mall and watch their favorite shows on TV every night.

So you see, i do not excuse the American people either. People cannot be so thoroughly manipulated unless they allow themselves to be.

Everyone has a choice.

[everwiser]

Everyone has a choice but most have limited power/resources to do what they choose. This subject is about those few with virtually unlimited power/resources to manipulate/enforce that which they choose.

You don't have to agree with the thesis put forth (would you be on a "free" energy site if you agreed completely with conventional physics?) however listening/reading is part of learning. Maybe there's a lesson here for us/you and maybe there isn't but no one should stifle the expression of ideas and theories else learning itself will be what is stifled...

[Ted Ewert]

I'm not making any excuses for the Nazis, but the Nazi's didn't do anything that hasn't been done by guys like Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and a few dozen others throughout history. Of course it was horrible and inhuman; that's what happens when evil people get in positions of power. The particulars are slightly different, but the story isn't. The Jews didn't have it any worse than the Russians or the Cambodians, or anyone else who has been persecuted.
So, why should they get special treatment, or special consideration? Why is their persecution so different than all the others? Why do we keep getting it rammed down our throats all the time?
If that's not bad enough, we turn around only to see the Israeli's persecuting the Palestinians in much the same way their recent ancestors in Germany were? What's up with that??? Hypocrisy is the nicest word I can think of to describe it.

Ted

[lamare]

I'm not making any excuses for the Nazis, but the Nazi's didn't do anything that hasn't been done by guys like Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and a few dozen others throughout history. Of course it was horrible and inhuman; that's what happens when evil people get in positions of power. The particulars are slightly different, but the story isn't. The Jews didn't have it any worse than the Russians or the Cambodians, or anyone else who has been persecuted.
So, why should they get special treatment, or special consideration? Why is their persecution so different than all the others? Why do we keep getting it rammed down our throats all the time?
If that's not bad enough, we turn around only to see the Israeli's persecuting the Palestinians in much the same way their recent ancestors in Germany were? What's up with that??? Hypocrisy is the nicest word I can think of to describe it.

Ted

Of course, we shouldn't forget Afghanistan and Iraq. Who sold them their weapons in the first place? Who's now targeting our ordinary Muslim brothers and sisters who, undoubdetly, want nothing but peace and prosperity?

It's the same game all over again. When are we going to hold the persons that are playing these games behind the screens responsible for what they did?

Furtunately, we know who they are. And even more fortunate, there once was a man who died on a cross, to teach us that there is no road to peace and that peace is the road. And that man made a promise, he promised to return.

Luke, from The holy Bible, King James version

6: As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7: And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8: And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9: But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10: Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11: And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12: But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13: And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14: Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16: And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18: But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19: In your patience possess ye your souls.
20: And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21: Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22: For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23: But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24: And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25: And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26: Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28: And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Richard Hoagland has put on an excellent analysis of some of the signs that we have all been able to witness:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message3.htm

His conclusion: "The same "Obama/Kremlin Torsion Message" ... delivered simultaneously to the Chinese leadership!?

This is NOT looking good ...."


Well, I happen to disagree with that. It looks extremly good. The dark forces are cornered to such an extent that they have resorted to demonstrating their toys in public. That's not a sign of strength, it's a sign of desparation, because their end is near, very near. Jesus is in control and he is delivering on his promise.

I humble suggest you read this:

THE ASHTAR COMMAND - Book I: Project: World Evacuation - through TUELLA

From JESUS-SANANDA, THE CHRIST:

“There must be peace on Earth. There must be an end to wars and hatred between brothers. The millions that come from other worlds, from far-off galaxies to assist in bringing Peace upon Earth, have My staunch support and backing for all of their endeavors. They have come in My Name and they serve under My Banner, as Lord of this Planet. They come not as intruders nor usurpers of My Authority, but in loving subjection to the Spiritual Hierarchy of this Solar System, and the Divine Plan for mankind, the deliverance from bondage that has long held Humanity in subjection to darkness and sorrow.

“This shall be no more, for these come as My Angels, to reap that which has been sown, to divide and set asunder the tares from the wheat, to gather the wheat into My Barn. For I AM the householder who cometh at the end of the day for an account from His Servants, and to give to all men justly in the manner given by them to Me. So judgment must come; divisions and sorrows must come, but the Earth shall survive all of its totterings. The Just shall inherit the New Earth and the Meek shall know the joy therein.

“I am SANANDA, known to you as JESUS THE CHRIST. I speak in the Authority of My Name and My Office, and I say to you that in the multitudes of the people of the Earth there shall be found that Remnant who can steadfastly be faithful to those right principles of my teaching. Those who come In My Name go from heart to heart, sealing them against that day and marking them for deliverance and safety from all that would destroy. But you shall NOT be taken out of your physical forms, but you shall be spared to live on in those days that follow. So, I shall call unto those who follow Me, to listen to the voices of these who come from other worlds, and harden not your hearts against their words nor practices. Rather, lift up LOVE unto them and desire for their coming, for They are the Angels of the Harvest!

I am SANANDA, and this is My Message to the World.

This really makes one feel good, IMHO.

[Inquorate]

Does it put food on your table? Does it warm your feet? Does it put food in your belly?

Past = past.

Present = present.

What have you done today to make tomorrow better?

Peace, love, and light

[lamare]

Does it put food on your table? Does it warm your feet? Does it put food in your belly?

Past = past.

Present = present.

What have you done today to make tomorrow better?

Peace, love, and light

Howard Zinn, in a very good speech:

ISR issue 20 | Howard Zinn

History can't give you definitive and positive answers to the issues that come up today, but it can suggest things. It can suggest skepticism about certain things. It can suggest probabilities and possibilities. There are some things you can learn from historical experience. One thing you can learn is that there is a long history of deception of the public by the government in times of war, or just before war, or to get us into war, going back to the Mexican war, when Polk lied to the nation about what was happening on the boarder between the Oasis River and the Rio Grande River.

In my view, it helps to make tomorrow better when you try to spread the lessons that can be learned from the past.

Of course, always,
in Love and Light.

-- Arend --


Edit: a littlebit more from Zinn, he is so right. And for the record, Zinn served during WW-II in the Air Force on a bomber:

You must examine the government's claims closely. One of the things I examine closely is when the government says we are only bombing military targets. That's an old story, a real old story. There's a half-truth to that. You may aim at military targets, but it's in the nature of bombing, that if you aim at military targets that a good part of the time your bombs will fall on places near military targets where people live. Sometimes even far away from military targets where people live.

And this is with the smartest of bombs. There's no such thing as a smart bomb. Remember them telling us about smart bombs during the Gulf War. It turns out that 93 percent of them were dumb.

I emphasize this because we have to understand what we are doing in Afghanistan to end terrorism. Because we absolutely need to end terrorism. We have to think carefully about what we have to do to end terrorism. We have to think about whether bombing Afghanistan is going to end terrorism.

Well, people say, but you must do something. I agree. People say, you can't do nothing. I agree. You must do something, therefore, bomb. I don't get it. I mean that's the only possible thing you can do if you must do something?

Lets start off with the Hippocratic oath. First do no harm. We are doing great harm. And if you think we're not, try to imagine. You say, well, we're not killing that many people. But we don't know how many people we're killing. First of all, because you can't believe the government–I'm not saying that you can believe the Taliban, no, all governments lie. But it's just a matter of common sense, and knowing the history of bombing, and just the little reports that come through the filter of control.

A Red Cross compound was hit on the same day that Bush was asking people to contribute to the Red Cross. Well if we're going to contribute to the Red Cross, first assure us that you're not going to bomb the Red Cross.

If you think that what we're doing in Afghanistan is not very much, consider that there are hundreds of thousands of people in Afghanistan who are fleeing the cities and towns in which they live. Have you seen the pictures of Afghan refugees? It started as soon as Bush promised to bomb. There are certain American promises that they can count on, and that's one of them. So the refugees immediately began moving.

You see the pictures of these families with all their possessions, or as many as they can carry on their backs and wagons, and there are hundreds of thousands of them. We are terrorizing Afghanistan. I'm not exaggerating. The people who are in Kabul, and other places have to live with the fear of these bombs.

Have you lived under bombs? Can you imagine what it's like when you're in a very backward, technologically undeveloped country, and there are these monster machines coming over with this ferocious noise and lights flashing and explosions? Yes, we are terrorizing people in Afghanistan.

It's not right to respond to the fact that we have been terrorized, as we have, by terrorizing other people. And furthermore, it's not going to help.

You might say that maybe it's worth doing because it will end terrorism. How much common sense does it take to know that you cannot end terrorism by indiscriminately dropping bombs on Afghanistan? "We have now destroyed three of their camps." Who are they kidding? How many hours does it take to set up a training camp? How easy is it to move from one place to another? The history of bombing is mostly a history of futility.

Add:
Royan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Howard Zinn, 2nd Lieut. Bombardier, Army Air Force, England, participated in one of the first military uses of napalm, which was over Royan in April 1945. In two books, The Politics of History and The Zinn Reader, Zinn described how the bombing was ordered-- a few weeks before the war in Europe ended --by military officials who were likely motivated more by the desire for career advancement than legitimate military objectives.

And napalm is still being used. Oh no, not napalm, "white phosphorus" which is definately not napalm, cause that's forbidden, right?

NewsWatch | Notes | Heated debate over white phosphorus

Why though didn't we simply say the Americans had been caught out using chemical weapons? It was a devastating charge given that the Coalition went into Iraq looking for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

As BBC programmes have been reporting, white phosphorus is not listed in the treaties and conventions covering chemical weapons. Most defence experts agree that a chemical weapon is one which depends for its lethality on its toxic qualities. WP depends on "thermic effect" - it spontaneously combusts at a few degrees above ambient temperature and burns with an intense heat. It is therefore usually described as an incendiary.

It is a terrifying weapon and for that reason is referred to by Field Artillery as having "potent psychological effects". But it is not a banned weapon - that is one which is illegal under any treaty signed by the United States.

[aljhoa]

I'm not making any excuses for the Nazis, but the Nazi's didn't do anything that hasn't been done by guys like Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and a few dozen others throughout history. Of course it was horrible and inhuman; that's what happens when evil people get in positions of power. The particulars are slightly different, but the story isn't. The Jews didn't have it any worse than the Russians or the Cambodians, or anyone else who has been persecuted.
So, why should they get special treatment, or special consideration? Why is their persecution so different than all the others? Why do we keep getting it rammed down our throats all the time?
If that's not bad enough, we turn around only to see the Israeli's persecuting the Palestinians in much the same way their recent ancestors in Germany were? What's up with that??? Hypocrisy is the nicest word I can think of to describe it.

Ted

" The text of the book consists of ten indictments against various wartime Zionist leaders, who in the author's opinion, deliberately sacrificed their fellow Jews in the "Holocaust" so that the elite Jews could be granted passage to Palestine. He also condemns those loud-mouthed Zionists in the United States, who "stupidly antagonized the Nazi fuhrer ... by making speeches and blowing shofar in front of the German consulate ... and by calling for a boycott of German goods. " The author also apologizes for having to use the term "Holocaust" since it "has been turned into a Zionist battlecry, which we abhor, but have been forced to use for identification purposes."
The Holocaust Victims Accuse (review)

The Holocaust Victims Accuse
Documents and Testimony on Jewish war Criminals
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/re...s%20Accuse.pdf

Since the Jews, coming up to the feasts, would need to exchange the various coins in common circulation for this Jewish piece, there were money-changers who exacted a premium for the exchange.
MONEY-CHANGERS in the Bible Encyclopedia - ISBE (Bible History Online)

In the time of Jesus of Nazareth, two thousand years ago, the Sanhedrin of the Jewish temple controlled their flock through temple taxes represented by the payment of the half shekel. There are many historians of this era who estimate that the Sanhedrin temple coffers contained in excess of the equivalent of ten million dollars in half shekels. The Jewish people, oppressed and totally controlled by Sanhedrin temple officials, were simply enslaved to the dogma of this religion and its leaders. As we have seen, Jesus dared to confront and expose this ungodly enslavement of Israel and suffered what can only be described as an assassination.

In the intervening centuries, the moneychangers, practicing the ancient art of usury, experienced an ebb and flow as generation after generation of monarchical and political leaders eradicated this enslaving practice. No sooner was the evil rooted out, then it would reappear under a different guise. Usury would always reappear as the greed and power lust of the strong overshadowed the weak.

As the moneychangers became more adept during the ensuing epochs of their history, they became more bold in their manipulations. And so it was seen that the concept of fractional reserve lending sprang up. This widespread fraud has always created the circumstances for widespread poverty and the reduction of the value of money. The modern era’s description of the business cycle is nothing more than the result of the boom and bust response to the fractional reserve lending policies of all banks worldwide. They have simply learned from the past.
The Truth Seeker - The Moneychangers – the Greatest Scam Ever


The Jewish Religious System
Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, and The Sanhedrin
Jewish Religious System

Al

[jibbguy]

Pushing the idea that the victims somehow DESERVED what happened to them, is what is actually behind much of this, imo.

Just as an example lol...

"Paid forum shills DESERVE to be roasted live in boiling oil, their screams of intense agony as they die laughed at by their tormentors; and their entire low-life families rounded-up, tortured, and killed in front of them, too!"

Why? Because they are simply doing a job that "someone has to do"?

No. Just because they are "hated". And the hate needs an outlet... And such outlets like systematic murder are ALWAYS the inevitable and desired result of such widespread Hate that is pushed by propaganda. And in this particular case, "Paid Forum Shills" are convenient tools for letting it out on, since everyone who is here "legitimately" despises what they stand for, and we only tolerate their lame attempts because we "have to" out of polite courtesy, and because they are good for occasional laughs when their ill-conceived plans fall into the toilet

Paid forum shills work for the "NWO", and their job is to slow or stop our work, and confuse issues to keep as many of us from the Truth for as long as possible... They are "salesmen" who sell ignorance and hate.

"So they deserve to die."

"So we should round up all the paid forum shills, and torture them to death, and take all they own... This will "cleanse" our little society here and make things better for "everyone" (except them of course, lol.. but they deserve it)."

See any problem with that "logic" ?

The problem is each individual human being, even smelly pencil-brained paid forum shills with dark stains in their pants, are sentient beings that deserve a right to life and to not be persecuted. This is the glue that bonds societies and cultures together, it is the basic law that make civilization possible in the first place.

Those that break this most basic Human law, cannot be excused by ANYTHING. Certainly not because someone claims, with absolutely no proof, that they were "manipulated" into doing what they do.

... And certainly not because "everyone else is doing it too"... The most lame excuse of all, that when we were kids got us spanked even faster than keeping our mouths shut

Switching the role from "Victim" back to "Perp" here lol:

The paid shills and dis-info artists have a choice just like we all do. They could quit and become Whistleblowers that would help blow the lid off the government's psy-ops games... Outing the bogus sites and groups which spew nonsense and hate for what they really are. Or they could simply retire from such a despicable and disgusting job, and try to repair the damage to their Soul that such work brings. At any rate, they have a choice... just like we all do. To follow the road of Humanity, or to lay in ambush along that road as a predator.

[Slovenia]

Lamare,

Do you know if there are any new updates to your original link regarding Benjamin Fulford? I enjoyed listening to that video very much. It was incredible to say the least. Thanks again for sharing about this stuff.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[lamare]

Lamare,

Do you know if there are any new updates to your original link regarding Benjamin Fulford? I enjoyed listening to that video very much. It was incredible to say the least. Thanks again for sharing about this stuff.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

He has his own website : Weekly geo-political news and analysis (with paid access)

His latest 2 updates can also be found here:
NESARA FORUMS AND NEWS SOURCES: The Year of the Tiger begins and it will roar
NESARA FORUMS AND NEWS SOURCES: Benjamin Fulford - 2/8/10 - Simultaneous military, G7 and BIS summits point to something big

And there appear to be some interesting video's:
fulford - Google Video's