Ammonia (NH3) as fuel for car

[Cherryman]

Here is quite a nice experiment:

YouTube - Hydrogen Car demo

YouTube - ACE - ammonia catalytic electrolyzer

[sucahyo]

Thanks all.

I agree that geet should be tried without carbon fuel too. It would be great if we can replicate Meyer molecule cracker to increase the capability of geet reactor.


I think the video from Greg Vezina must be included too :

More facts and clear .gov suppression.
YouTube - Blocked Technology Ammonia as Fuel
YouTube - Hydrofuel NH3 (ammonia) Car

Dave

Cool plasma, spark gap in the tar corona spark circuit remind me of what Aaron post about plasma plug.

Another file with more description on circuit:
A high-temperature pulsed corona plasma system for fuel gas cleaning, scary output, 300A at 30kv.

the twisted wire remind me of stanley meyer choke. The output voltage is mentioned by Meyer and also by tutanka too .

[dave_cahoon]

If you have seen the movie Stargate than imagine the gate (a simple electric arc) as a means of total ionization of the mols that pass thru the arc.
let the engine vacuum materials thru the gate into itself.

The arc reduces mols to atoms. Recombination can only be controled with voltage, frequency and Residence time aka time exposed to reactor/compressor upstroke.

[sucahyo]

If you have seen the movie Stargate than imagine the gate (a simple electric arc) as a means of total ionization of the mols that pass thru the arc.
let the engine vacuum materials thru the gate into itself.

The arc reduces mols to atoms. Recombination can only be controled with voltage, frequency and Residence time aka time exposed to reactor/compressor upstroke.

One thing puzzle me is, how come those plasma do not ignite the gas produced. It is relatively the same as continuous spark isn't it?

[dave_cahoon]

One thing puzzle me is, how come those plasma do not ignite the gas produced. It is relatively the same as continuous spark isn't it?

Sucahyo,

Yes the discharge is a plane or sheet.
If you control the oxidizer content you can limit combustion to "partial oxidation" or no Oxidation. If its fuel fumes or fogged "?" If oxygen is not present there is only Dielectric Breakdown of what ever molecules are present.

If we only zap water vapor it will recombine(burn immediately). BUT add carbon (co2)! and the O and C join and the H2 is free the sum of the two is synthgas a good engine fuel. From a commercial on tv that blinked this quickly CnHm + nH2O -->nCO + (m/2+n)H2 shows us how to do it to hydrocarbons.
IS there is a similar formula for ammonia? using air for the N2 source. Thunderstorm Dielectric Breakdown (lightning) fixes nitrogen for nature.

Dave

[dave_cahoon]

So far the best found is this YouTube - Nitrogen Hydrogen Booster- WFC
The heat can be drastically increased (like the guy says)
but just slightly higher temps may work better.
Is it Nickel or Copper? Direct link to discussion from the youtube.
OUPower.com :: View topic - mrgalleria, can you test the Nickel again?

For experimenting it maybe cleaner to use urea found in fertilizer. Look/ask around a garden shop for #.0.0
When your system runs. Urea is available by the ton for around 100$ last time I checked.

Warning using urea and water may not work like urine as described.
But seems easier to *bench* fertilizer.

If only I had a fume hood/glove box...

Ammonia has low boiling point. Is how it was driven off with low heat.
Urine seems to be urea and Other no free ammonia.

Dave

[sucahyo]

I relate this to tutanka method of producing burnable gas/liquid to run his motor. Why it has to be two stage? Why the first production do not burn it since the input is ambient air. The NTP process in my previous post do not have oxygen.

If you search "Non Thermal Plasma" you will also see many other application that include air too.

Comparison of Non-Thermal Plasma even mention it sue for volatile gases:

Non-thermal plasma processing is an emerging technology for the abatement of dilute concentrations of volatile organic compounds (VOCs), nitrogen oxides (NO,) and other hazardous air pollutants (HAPS) in atmospheric-pressure gas streams. Either electrical discharge or electron beam methods can produce these plasmas. Recent laboratory-scale experiments show that the electron beam method is remarkably more energy efficient(?) than competing non-thermal plasma techniques based on pulsed corona and other types of electrical discharge plasma. Preliminary cost analysis based on these data also show that the electron beam method may be cost-competitive to thermal and catalytic methods that employ heat recovery or hybrid techniques.

Looks like electron beam is better. Remind me of stanley meyer laser/LED lol.


also:
NON-THERMAL PLASMA TREATMENT OF AUTOMOTIVE EXHAUST GASES

[dave_cahoon]

Zapping water/urea fog might be a start. results will be co n h lots of h2 after the cooler. Then it can mixed with air in the proper mixture and combusted.

[dave_cahoon]

That electron beam disintegrater is an advance on the tech.

How is the common person to take advantage of that?

We can make Hi-Frequency HV continuous arcs easy
How to build your Glow Discharge Plasma Panel

Just need a pipe works geometry where the plasma crosses the flow of vapors and gasses.

Dave

[sucahyo]

The electron beam version look a lot like meyer.

Efficiency:




reaction


principle:





Here is some plasma variation I found.
Corona:







Electron beam:









Read this too which summarize most of the technique.
Plasma generation and plasma sources

[dave_cahoon]

This Is Old Tech?

Hi group,

Internet Archive: Free Download: The chemistry and manufacture of hydrogen
Pg26 of the book or pg40 of the .pdf
Is a referance to the nonthermal relm of air Nitrogen and Hydrogen into ammonia.
Its downplayed back in 1919 BUT with the simplification of electronics over 70+ years.
Who knows!

Enjoy the rest of the book its loaded!!!

Dave

[sucahyo]

How is the common person to take advantage of that?

While even the simplest one is out of reach for me isn't people here try to do what meyer do? I think any replication need serious budget.

[sucahyo]

Hi group,

Internet Archive: Free Download: The chemistry and manufacture of hydrogen
Pg26 of the book or pg40 of the .pdf
Is a referance to the nonthermal relm of air Nitrogen and Hydrogen into ammonia.
Its downplayed back in 1919 BUT with the simplification of electronics over 70+ years.
Who knows!

Enjoy the rest of the book its loaded!!!

Dave

Nice find. I guess I should search old archive too...

[dave_cahoon]

In this book Tesla Revels the geometry of a gas processor. Fig 8 and Fig 10
All that's Missing is the pipeworks and insulators.

The Project Gutenberg eBook of Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency, by Nikola Tesla

Dave

[Aaron]

references

Thanks for that Hydrogen book Dave!

Here are some people to search for...look for
published papers in the early 1900's.

Davy
Reedy & Biggers
Caress & Rideal
Kwei
Olson
Storch