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    This link is highly interesting, and deserves a thread of it's own i think

    Coil in wall could wirelessly power multiple electronic devices

    Which shows a scientific study proving that transmitted energy can be "multiplied" in total power output, by using multiple Resonant coils carefully tuned to a single Transmitter Coil (something many have said in the past, but now we have proof). There are still losses of course (from both Distance and from imperfections in the circuit and Resonance), but if enough of these receiving coils can be used in "isolated parallel" (lol, i don't know what to call it exactly), according to this data the total power will eventually exceed that used by the Transmitter.

    Even though each successive receiver added will drop the individual power output of all the receivers a bit.. from the data, this is apparently not enough to keep each additional one from adding to the "total power" figure... So there would still be still a "gain".

    An interesting case of each Resonant coil "pair" separately adhering to the Laws of Thermodynamics, yet in a multiple receiver coil arrangement "total", NOT adhering to CoE

    As long as the coils were just far enough away from one another and the Transmitter Coil to not mutually interfere with their magnetic fields, it should then be possible to build an enclosed device with, say 12 receivers powered by one transmitter coil (perhaps arranged in a "sphere" around the transmitter)... And this transmitter could then receive its operating energy from perhaps 3 of the receivers sent back in a "loop"....

    As long as these receivers can be arranged close enough to the Source without interference, the Law of Inverse Square should allow for efficient enough transmission to get at least, say, "60% efficiency" from each receiver coil.... so enough of them would provide "OU" (extrapolating from the data shown, with 12 Receivers we may get around "COP>3" or so, minus the fed-back power).

    The experiment takes a "real" wattage load from the receiving devices (thus shutting down a potential argument of it being "fluffy power").

    One problem of building such a device would be getting them all near-perfectly tuned (and keeping them that way). I would think that finding mass-produced coils of a specific type would help a lot there (although fine tuning would still be needed). Perhaps a single-board processing solution with floating point DSP could control and vary the inductance of the separate coils in real time, allowing for load variances... I suspect something like that would be needed to keep "everyone" in the best possible Resonant condition... As, if i recall correctly, "Load" will strongly affect the resonance of each receiving coil and throw it out of tune (as well as even atmospheric pressure and humidity). Of course we can get around that somewhat for testing purposes by using constant load devices such as bulbs or simple resistors.... Or motors running at constant RPM and torque.

    We have seen many special coil arrangements in free energy devices over the years. All of them i remember reading about needed "seed power" to get going. What if many of these were actually tapping into this, and were simply working via this "Multiplied Output via Resonance" principal (whether their inventors realized it or not)? This would explain how difficult some were to get working, there are a dozen factors to deal with when tuning for Resonance. Dunno, but this one appears very promising to me.

    And we can think about ways to use this with Longitudinal waves; which could significantly lessen the losses from distance from the transmitter (lol we NEED Mr. Dollard to come out of retirement to help with this one! ).

    And this basic idea should be impossible to lock it up in Patents entirely, since Tesla showed it 110 years ago and others' since

    What could be Patented i guess, and what may turn out to be key to production models, are clever and effective methods for the on-the-fly Resonance tuning needed for widely varying Loads.
    Last edited by jibbguy; 02-16-2010, 04:05 PM.

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    Eric Giler demos wireless electricity | Video on TED.com

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    • #3
      Hubbard device.8+1 coils.

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      • #4
        Dr. Stiffler's exciter?

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        • #5
          When considering what we need to know to build a testing device for the above MIT "discovery" (one that uses steady Loads so less tuning is required), here is a list of things we would need to determine. Please add to it, if it is not complete

          1) The "Best" Frequencies to use. They were using "6.5 MHz" in the MIT experiment. We know that nearly any F would work in Theory, but it is likely some will be more more efficient (and many F's will be easier to shield the RF than others). Actually, it is possibly more likely that the coils that are used could determine the operating F; since if a set of, say, 4 coils that are identical can be found free or cheaply, then a scope or meter could be used to determine the Resonant F for them. Or, maybe first determine if Line Power 50/60 Hz can be used; and use calcs to find an "ideal" coil for that F. I would suggest that something that can transmit at least "25 Watts" be used, so received power is at least "10W". This would avoid the skepticism and ambiguity that very low wattages would "generate"

          2) The best design/ geometry of Coil to use; for both Transmitter and Receiver (presumably the same, but maybe not). Should they be "air cored"? Should the Coil also be the "antenna"? This will also heavily depend on the F used, i think.

          3. The best design of separate Antenna for the Receiver and Transmitter coils (if used or needed).

          4) The most energy-efficient method of generating the Source coil's AC voltage (this would be simplified greatly if 50/60 Hz line AC were used as the operating F i guess). For other F's, the oscillator circuit and ultimate power source would need to be determined. Use a battery or not? Using a wall source makes it much easier to calculate total power used by the Transmitter. But on the other hand, it may be more energy efficient to Charge a source battery, and thus require fewer Receiver Coils to do so (using pulse charging techniques and the quirks of SLA's).

          5) The method of tuning the Receiver Coils; it would possibly need to be able to vernier down to "0.25 Ohms" of detectable Impedance change, i am guessing. Maybe a "gross" and "fine" adjustment will be needed. Pots, tuning caps, variable inductors, or combinations? Design the actual circuit for tuning used.

          6) The optimum Distance between the Transmitter and Receiver coils; where the transmission losses are acceptable, yet the full effect can be seen. IS there actually a "minimum distance" (i'm not sure there is one for simple coils, but i believe there is for antennas)?

          7) Choose the Load to test with. Power resistors or incandescents may be "best" for these early tests, as they minimize Phase / PFC issues.

          8) Determine if the measurement technique does not affect the circuit's performance... When the Resonance is so carefully tuned, even an input impedance of "1 Megohm" across the outputs (standard for meters and scope "x1" probes), can significantly affect a circuit and cause bogus readings. High ohmage resistors in series with the probes may be needed.

          9) ONLY If attempting to "Loop": What efficient rectification / power supply / oscillator circuits are needed to feed back the power from 2 or 3 receiver coils to power the Source? A method of "kick starting" it will be needed as well.
          Last edited by jibbguy; 02-17-2010, 03:23 PM.

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          • #6
            IMHO : The best embodiments are Hubbard coil or TPU. Symmetrical.
            Other need to be placed according to Earth magnetic field direction to work , like Hendershot early motor.

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            • #7
              Well Boguslaw you may be right m8, but if you read this, you have to come to the conclusion Hubbard was BS'sing SOMEBODY about his device, either earlier or later in life

              Lol his later life is a real "Trip" too, i had not realized he was an early 60's acid freak who hung out with Timothy Leary He apparently led a very interesting life including being a rumrunner during Prohibition, and sometimes working for government intel agencies.

              Alfred M. Hubbard: Coil Generator

              I am not so sure after reading this, that his is the same principal... If you believe Hubbard's earlier statements, it could be i guess. If you believe his later statements, it isn't the same tech because he claimed to use radioactive elements to generate the power (obviously some deliberate disinfo going on somewhere there lol). Apparently he also BS'ed one of those later Authors about the boat trip; the original 1919 newspaper article (that apparently described the event as witnessed by the reporter), has it on a "16 foot runabout", working only a short time before "the wires overheated", and he stopped the demo (which makes sense, if he was running a 35-horse electric motor from an 18" long thingie). But the later article claimed it pushed a ferry-sized vessel around the Bay for 3 days

              Actually when i was thinking about the principal of Resonant power transmission to multiple coils being behind other devices; i had Hendershot's device in mind, and also a Patent from 2007 from a man named William Barbat.

              But it is interesting that Hubbard accused Hendershot of "stealing" his idea, though.

              Here's the Barbat Patent which possibly shows something similar i think:

              Self-sustaining electric-power ... - Google Patent Search

              Then there is also the Hans Coler device, i guess.... Could it be that the magnets were simply used as part of the Resonance tuning circuit of the receiver coils? There is no transmitter coil really visible in the few drawings that exist. But some very fuzzy photos i've seen seem to show a lot more going on than those drawings (which as we know, are often tampered with so no one can build a working device from them).

              Hans Coler's "Magnetstromapparat" & "Stromzeuger" (British Intelligence Objectives SubCommittee Report #1043

              I don't think that anyone has been able to get any of those mentioned devices to work, so i am thinking it may be worthwhile to "start fresh" using modern components and known working principals... that is backed by mainstream M.I.T. research and which apparently has not been suppressed or "shelved", as all of those other devices have been reported to be.

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              • #8
                Hubbard

                I thought Hubbard's secret was radium as the radioactive emission was being
                used just like Coler's device was radioactive doped.

                At one point Hubbard came here to Spokane.
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                Aaron Murakami

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                • #9
                  Well, regarding Hubbard anyway, if he was ordered to spew disinfo by those who wanted to suppress it, maybe the best possible way to deter would-be replicators would be to claim it used "radioactivity"... Lol i know that would probably scare ME off from building it. And, at least for private citizens, radioactive materials are pretty much "unobtainium" nowadays

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jibbguy View Post
                    This link is highly interesting, and deserves a thread of it's own i think

                    Coil in wall could wirelessly power multiple electronic devices

                    Which shows a scientific study proving that transmitted energy can be "multiplied" in total power output, by using multiple Resonant coils carefully tuned to a single Transmitter Coil (something many have said in the past, but now we have proof). There are still losses of course (from both Distance and from imperfections in the circuit and Resonance), but if enough of these receiving coils can be used in "isolated parallel" (lol, i don't know what to call it exactly), according to this data the total power will eventually exceed that used by the Transmitter.

                    Even though each successive receiver added will drop the individual power output of all the receivers a bit.. from the data, this is apparently not enough to keep each additional one from adding to the "total power" figure... So there would still be still a "gain".

                    An interesting case of each Resonant coil "pair" separately adhering to the Laws of Thermodynamics, yet in a multiple receiver coil arrangement "total", NOT adhering to CoE

                    As long as the coils were just far enough away from one another and the Transmitter Coil to not mutually interfere with their magnetic fields, it should then be possible to build an enclosed device with, say 12 receivers powered by one transmitter coil (perhaps arranged in a "sphere" around the transmitter)... And this transmitter could then receive its operating energy from perhaps 3 of the receivers sent back in a "loop"....

                    As long as these receivers can be arranged close enough to the Source without interference, the Law of Inverse Square should allow for efficient enough transmission to get at least, say, "60% efficiency" from each receiver coil.... so enough of them would provide "OU" (extrapolating from the data shown, with 12 Receivers we may get around "COP>3" or so, minus the fed-back power).

                    The experiment takes a "real" wattage load from the receiving devices (thus shutting down a potential argument of it being "fluffy power").

                    One problem of building such a device would be getting them all near-perfectly tuned (and keeping them that way). I would think that finding mass-produced coils of a specific type would help a lot there (although fine tuning would still be needed). Perhaps a single-board processing solution with floating point DSP could control and vary the inductance of the separate coils in real time, allowing for load variances... I suspect something like that would be needed to keep "everyone" in the best possible Resonant condition... As, if i recall correctly, "Load" will strongly affect the resonance of each receiving coil and throw it out of tune (as well as even atmospheric pressure and humidity). Of course we can get around that somewhat for testing purposes by using constant load devices such as bulbs or simple resistors.... Or motors running at constant RPM and torque.

                    We have seen many special coil arrangements in free energy devices over the years. All of them i remember reading about needed "seed power" to get going. What if many of these were actually tapping into this, and were simply working via this "Multiplied Output via Resonance" principal (whether their inventors realized it or not)? This would explain how difficult some were to get working, there are a dozen factors to deal with when tuning for Resonance. Dunno, but this one appears very promising to me.

                    And we can think about ways to use this with Longitudinal waves; which could significantly lessen the losses from distance from the transmitter (lol we NEED Mr. Dollard to come out of retirement to help with this one! ).

                    And this basic idea should be impossible to lock it up in Patents entirely, since Tesla showed it 110 years ago and others' since

                    What could be Patented i guess, and what may turn out to be key to production models, are clever and effective methods for the on-the-fly Resonance tuning needed for widely varying Loads.
                    Uh, I proved this, with math for capacitive AND inductive systems, including eccentricity based off of axis rotation as well. It fits with modern theory, is totally predictable, has a solid physics foundation etc....Solid mechanisms for gain from 2x OU on up, depending on how carefully you build. I did the work, set out the math, placed videos explaining how to do it, what drivers to use etc. However it seems nobody really cared to replicate, or continue the thread without my continued input to keep the thread alive, despite the fact that this explains Tesla device gains, Hubbard, Don Smith and many others WITH the math geometry and physics worked out for you!

                    This is why multiple threads are started covering the same information, and people spin their wheels with no traction, never gaining much ground.

                    I debated long and hard as to whether I should even release such information thinking perhaps I could get some good solid feedback however such was not the case, so I stopped posting.

                    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...er-theory.html

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                    • #11
                      Yes Armagdn03, i remember reading and liking that thread. The math work was awesome.

                      All i had to do was link a lousy article lol

                      Lately i have been thinking how this works; and to explain it to someone, i came up with an analogy which i think could be interesting to examine. Let me know if it makes any sense, lol...

                      I thought about permanent magnets, and how if you took multiple nails (like multiple receiver coils), and put 6 steel nails into the flux field domain of a Permanent Magnet... what happens? All 6 nails will be drawn to the magnet at the same speed and force, and this speed and force is the same if there is only 1 nail, or 6 of them. But collectively, with 6 nails drawn simultaneously to the mag, the force expended is 6 times higher than with only 1 nail. Of course the magnet does not really "expend" any energy to move the nails, its FIELD does the work... The magnet creates a flux field, the flux field does the work.

                      Then look at an electromagnet... Not the same thing, the current draw will go up when drawing in 6 nails simultaneously, verses only 1 nail.

                      So i likened "Transformers" to having fields that act like "electromagnets". You can't just add more Secondaries under load, and not see the Primary's power usage rise.

                      With the Resonant Transmitter / Receiver Coils, the transmitter's magnetic coupled field acts more like that of a PERMANENT MAGNET, instead of an electromagnet. The power expended by the Transmitter is almost all used to SIMPLY CREATE the magnetic field in the first place... And that magnetic field then does the rest of the work, and is not significantly affected by multiple additional coils coupling into that same magnetic field.

                      There are losses of course, and the Resonance is not perfect... So there is slight additional power used for each additional coil.

                      But to me, it appears that the coupling magnetic field of the transmitter acts like that of a "permanent magnet" (at least in that main respect)... A sort of inexhaustible energy source (within it's narrow limits).. That can take multiple loads as long as they are under the maximum watt level "allowed", and provide that amount of power to ANY ADDITIONAL resonant coupling without "depleting" the magnetic field... The same way that any number of nails can be drawn into a perm. mags' field, as long as they are not too heavy

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                      • #12
                        This just ticks me off a bit, because garage tinkerers have been using wireless energy transfer via coupled coils for a LONG time. MIT Discovered NOTHING. If they figured out the ratios, proportions, optimal distances vs lenz coupling etc...then it would be something new added to the game...as I posted in the eccentric transformer thread. But they did not....they just used near field magnetic coupling, invented nothing new, and took all the credit for their supposed work.

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                        • #13
                          Very interesting thread the eccentric transformer theory. Thanks for pointing out Armagedon. I have totally missed it, but since i collect every bit of information that could lead to Don Smith replication, it is a must read.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jibbguy View Post
                            And, at least for private citizens, radioactive materials are pretty much "unobtainium" nowadays
                            United Nuclear , Scientific Equipment & Supplies

                            ABC

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                            • #15
                              @ Armagdn03, I am not so sure they HAVN'T figured out these things, just not put them into their Paper.

                              Consider that the only way they would have been allowed to Publish, is using only enough Resonant Receivers so the total power does not exceed "OU", and they would also likely keep much of the data to replicate it to themselves, since almost always they license these things to a corporation or spin off their own companies, like that "TED" guy already... He was from M.I.T. and apparently worked on this.

                              I AM NOT a fan of this person and his kind, lol. These people want to make money for themselves, always, from PUBLIC funding. Then people like this guy will suppress the OU aspect of it; so he can line his own pockets.

                              Well, i am going to make sure as many people as possible know this entire subject is OPEN SOURCE... and has been since the 1890's Patents ran out. They won't get away with that crap. Its too late to make this "disappear", i got copies and screen shots of all the M.I.T.-related articles and Papers (and i would recommend others' here do so too, because it very well could disappear now).

                              WE (taxpayers of the U.S.) PAY for these friggin Studies, then they monopolize the results. It is the same, even worse, in the pharmaceutical industry... MOST new discoveries come from NIH grants and the pharms get them FOR FREE, then they "double-dip" in the public trough by paying far less corporate tax than is fair, by claiming huge write-offs for "R & D". I've been to these R&D labs of the pharmaceuticals (nearly EVERY ONE in the US over the years)... They are ridiculously well funded, with everything "top dollar", Pfizer's in NJ even has MARBLE ON THE WALLS (lol, do you know how expensive that is??). The University labs, on the other hand, are usually quite shabby (even places like Johns-Hopkins and the N.I.H. campus in Bethesda itself), and they get by on shoe-strings... YET THEY ARE THE ONES who make ALL the "initial discoveries"... The pharms only benefit from them.

                              _______________

                              @ ABCstore, Nice find

                              However, using the very low level of radiation isotopes that are available without a license may not do the job (if indeed anything does).

                              And i notice that they don't offer Radium.

                              _________________________

                              I would still suggest we start looking at the "Radiation" claims of some of these old devices through a filter of deliberate dis-info to keep people away... It may prove useful in figuring out what is really going on with them.

                              With Moray, there is some evidence for it (and it makes some sense when the stories of how hard it was for him to get tubes manufactured are considered). For the others, i don't think there is any evidence of it (at least that i have heard), except some reports ALWAYS COMING AFTER THE ORIGINAL REPORTS.. "Revisionist" reports. Reports that come after interest in it peaked in the 70's, for the most part, when Free Energy was popular and these things were being examined by many people again.

                              And one thing i have learned about these subjects is, that professionally-done dis-info has been going on a long, long time

                              But the real subject of this thread has NOTHING to do with radiation.

                              We can do all this ourselves with off the shelve materials; and although it is unfair that many have been saying this same stuff for years (and that Dr. Meyl has proved it conclusively with MANY ACTUAL BUILDS... and he never gets any credit AT ALL by his Peers in the US ).

                              All that won't matter in the end; if we use this to PROVE OVERUNITY IS POSSIBLE ("again" lol, again my friends ).

                              Because that is what we do.. And eventually it may sink in, it may "take off" and go "viral"... it may gain widespread attention in the mainstream scientific community, it may reach the mainstream media. With M.I.T. behind it (lol whether they are happy about it or not), it certainly has a much better chance of doing so. Certainly more than when coming "only" from some "wild-eyed free energy kooks" (... one of the ways we are commonly attacked by those who would try to stop us).

                              See folks? That is what is REALLY so important about this: Not that it was "re-discovered" (lol we know it was never "lost")... But that a mainstream scientific institution SAYS SO

                              There are two likely possibilities regarding this announcement imo :

                              1) Somebody "fracked up" big-time with this, and it slipped by our little friends with goofy stares and dark stains in their pants.. Maybe because the person tasked with watching was too stupid to understand the potential

                              2) This is a deliberate move to start Disclosing certain technologies... Slowly, inch by inch, but part of a plan to start wheeling this stuff out to the mainstream and public. They have decided that the entire subject of aerial power transmission can't be ignored forever, and they have too much pressure from computer companies wanting to sell the next "VHS tape deck", "DVD Player", "Blackberry Cell Phone" to see it happen (meaning the next "must have" electronic doo-hickey that will sell billions of units). They know what the consequences can lead to, and are going to do it anyway... perhaps hoping that it will be years before the implications actually sink in.

                              Hopefully for them; too late to stop the major US federal funding "incentives" (a friggin joke, it is pure Corporate Welfare), for

                              "Smart Grid"...

                              G.E.'s and the private utility corporations' answer of stuffing themselves at the public pig trough before their eventual losses caused by Free Energy's disclosure will make them all moot and take away their monopolies

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