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  • #91
    Under closed circuit conditions the amount of 'pressure' or voltage imbalance or potential difference, from all those imbalanced and unravelling fields in the supply source, is the greater. The zipons forge a path through the circuit components' fields and, in so doing, they orbit. You will recall that an orbit is simply a single justification in a circular path. By the time the zipons have returned to the negative terminal of the battery they are also able to present an alternate charge to the amalgam. They re-enter the amalgam and recombine those molecules and atoms but this time with a different justification or spin. They have done the particulate equivalent to two permanent magnets moving in space and in time to adjust the proximity of their various fixed charges or polarities.

    At every 'recombination' of the atoms and molecules at the source, they also reduce the potential difference or voltage imbalance at the source. This then satisfies the innate requirement of all zipons to 'forge' or 'move towards' a state of balance. The atoms and molecules within the acid mix - is systematically varied until the experienced 'acid' condition of that bath, that first amalgam, is restructured to a more balanced less acid, or neutral condition. The zipons have simply used circuit components to move towards their required balanced distribution of charge. In this they have followed their innate and immutable imperative to establish a balanced charge condition in all amalgams.

    This implies that their movement or current flow can only be enabled if there is first an experienced voltage imbalance. In other words, without that source voltage imbalance, no current flow would have been required and therefore no current flow would have been enabled.
    Last edited by witsend; 03-01-2010, 02:22 AM.

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    • #92
      Thank you .

      More suggestion:

      Originally posted by witsend View Post
      What the model proposes is that the zipons are of a size and a velocity in a field that they simply cannot interact with stable particles.
      Please correlate this with your next quote:
      Originally posted by witsend View Post
      Being an amalgam - all those atoms are bound by invisible 'fields' of zipons. All those balls are linked - joined together - by zipons that spin in the opposite way to these balls. For every two atoms there is a field of zipons. For every two molecules - there is a field of zipons. That field is like a glue and they 'stick like crazy.' They hold those balls together. Then as soon as they come near another field of zipons, holding another two balls together they see that they too have a 'like charge' or a like spin. Most uncomfortable. They move away from each other and in doing so they move two or more tennis balls with them. And so it goes.
      Plase elaborate what do you mean by can not interact with stable particle since in the second example you mention that zipon stick and flow along with atom or molecule.


      Originally posted by witsend View Post
      To begin with imagine this. Inside your average lead acid batteries are a whole lot of atoms and molecules. They have no intrinsic balance. Their valence electrons are such that every part of that 'amalgam' that battery acid - conflicts with every other part. Each atom vies with another. Each molecule vies with another. The liquid is agitated. Like charge conflicts. Here inside the battery is a bath of 'like charge' and it is intrinsically imbalanced. Picture in your mind's eye, if you will, a whole lot of atoms, shaped like tennis balls. They have an imbalanced electron on the outside of that ball. Every time this electron gets close to another electron on another ball the two balls move away from each other. It's a liquid state. They can move freely through that liquid. So they keep spinning - away. That's the mainstream analogy.
      This is confusing for me, maybe it is better to just straight to next analogy. Or at least mention what condition the lead batteries is, is it charging or discharging or standing still. If it is charging or discharging I see the molecule ionization do it in a single direction, not in random or chaotic movement. If it is standing still, explain if what you mean by dynamic movement is the molecule or the zipon.

      Also explain the condition in connection wire too.

      Would it be possible to model the atom as metal ball and zipon as magnet ball? Which one bouncing around?

      Originally posted by witsend View Post
      The circuit does not receive excess energy. The energy is there - in the bound mass of circuit components. The circuit experiences these imbalanced fields as heat. What the experiment exposes is that current flow does not only come from the battery supply source. There is an alternate field of energy released in the circuit components. This is added to the sum of current flow in a circuit. The effect of imbalancing these circuit component fields through applied potential difference is able to induce an alternate current flow that is measurable.
      Are you saying the circuit will never experience a gain of both electrical and heat output, only one of them at a time?

      Where the alternate field of energy released comes from?

      Originally posted by witsend View Post
      They then find the zipons in the resistive wire. But here they hit on a problem. All the zipons are arranged in a position of net zero charge. Yet all those binding fields of zipons are, in fact, experiencing an identical charge - a single direction. Therefore, in order to 'find their path' through this field, when they eject half the zipons they also unravel the remaining fields. In doing so these unravelled fields slow down, get bigger and get hot. Those fields that the 'northerly' flow from the battery have ejected? They simply orbit the structure of the resistor - again being atomically and anatomically required by the resistor itself.
      Since zipon is slowing down in the resistor and resulted in heat, should we detect more energy and mass from the resistor?

      When there is potential difference in closed circuit, only zipon move and atom or part of them do not? And atomic potential difference neutralize when zipon reach initial start?

      Do the zipon energy when still fast and cold is part of the electricity? Or zipon energy only part of the electricity when slow and hot?

      Please explain with resistor at normal and transient heat gain condition for example.
      Last edited by sucahyo; 02-24-2010, 05:59 AM.

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      • #93
        Hi Suchayo.

        When I say that the zipons in the field only interact with other zipons it is based on the proposal that they can only interact with particles of a like mass or volume. Therefore the only particle that may be 'of a size' would be the energy levels in the atoms. I've already proposed that energy levels comprise these same magnetic dipoles. So. The proposal is that the binding fields of magnetic dipoles interact with the energy levels of atoms. These, in turn, reflect the 'ionised' state of the atom. Therefore the two fields interact and the zipon binding fields arranges all the atoms - those tennis balls - into their most balanced arrangement. In solid state amalgams it arranges this in fixed or 'rest' positions. In a liquid this 'rest state' is impossible.

        Under open circuit conditions the 'mix' in the battery is imbalanced. It is charged. Not charging. Just charged. When these binding field zipons find a 'path' through circuit components then they also find their balance. This means that the movement of current flow is induced to 'reduce' charge or 'reduce' that inherent imbalance.

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        • #94
          The copper in connecting wires has no inherent imbalance. This means that the valence condition of the wire is divisible by 2. Therefore there are two opposing energy levels on the OUTSIDE OF THE ATOM. This also means that - whatever the justification from the source, the zipons can expel whichever combining field they require - and 'forge' their path through that wire. The expelled field then orbits the wire. The copper wire, in effect, can take current from whichever direction and it is not unduly effected. The expelled field then orbits - depending on which of the two opposing fields were expelled by the battery's binding zipon fields as they move through the circuit.

          The atom is probably best described as a magnetic ball with the north inside the sphere and one or more souths outside. And holding those souths together are energy levels - fields of magnetic dipoles - that spin in opposite directions to each other. The zipon is better described as a simple permanent bar magnet. It arranges its spin to accommodate the direction of spin of those energy levels.

          The circuit never gains electrical energy. It only dissipates heat. Otherwise zipons move in fields through the circuit to adjust its spin. What it does do is gain an alternate flow of current which has been overlooked by mainstream. Really just a new direction of flow - a new field of zipons released from the conductive or inductive material.
          Last edited by witsend; 02-24-2010, 10:19 AM.

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          • #95
            What we detect in the resistor is heat - an expansion of the material and - over time, a degradation of the bound state of the resistor. This implies that some of those zipons have been released from the material and are no longer able to bind that material. The model proposes that these zipon fields have literally escaped from that bound material of the resistor and have regrouped elsewhere in space.

            Yes. When the circuit is open the zipons cannot flow. When the circuit is closed the zipon can transfer itself through an orbital path to change it's spin. It moves from one terminal to another. Then it recongregates the atoms into a bound condition and thereby neutralises both the atom and its own spin. Therefore when 50% of all the zipons have altered their spin then the net charge of the 'acid' is neutralised. They have been recongregated into molecules where there is balance.

            Electric current flow exceeds light speed. Therefore in terms of our measurement constraints the fields that 'flow' actually move instantaneously. Therefore current flow is still a 'field' effect. Disrupt the field and then you get the zipons manifest in our measurable dimensions and their first evidence is 'heat'.


            Hope that answers all Suchayo. Yet again. Thanks for the questions. I see now how critical is this dialogue. At least I know where clarification is still required.
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            • #96
              I've now covered 'closed' circuit conditions. More complex is the question of open circuit conditions as they apply to this current flow.

              It must be remembered that the 'force' of the flow, the level of current, depends not only on the resistance in its path but on the amount of 'imbalance' or 'voltage' that is measured at the source. Let us assume for now that this rate of flow was 1 amp and the amount of applied voltage was 24 volts. Therefore v * i is 24 watts of energy at the load. But, in terms of the thesis the extruded - let us call it 'northerly' field from the supply source, originally 'linked' those atoms - those 'tennis balls' or those spherical magnets. These binding fields were kicked out of the material and thereby breached the balanced charge that they had previously managed.

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              • #97
                Thanks .

                The question bellow relate to how to count energy on closed loop and how zipon enter/exit from close loop.

                Common science consider heat as part of energy equation. Let consider an example of battery capable of supplying 50 watt of electtricity. If a resistor consume 5 watt of electricity and heat up, then heat is said to consume energy from battery. The battery now has 45 watt available.

                I assume that your theory is:
                1. zipon can transform to matter and matter can transform to zipon, and thus
                2. the total number of zipon and matter in a close system stays the same
                3. zipon has constant energy
                4. heat or cold produced by transforming zipon do not reduce or increase energy
                5. zipon is invisible when fast and cold
                6. zipon is visible when slow and hot

                I still not clear on how zipon energy calculated in the closed circuit. Using the same example, 50 watt battery, here is three different scenario:
                1. both fast and slow version of zipon is included in calculation, resistor heat up sign of more slow zipon do not change energy, the batery has 50 watt available.

                2. only fast version of zipon is included in calculation, resistor heat up sign of more slow zipon reduce energy, the batery has 45 watt available.

                3. only slow version of zipon is included in calculation, resistor heat up sign of more slow zipon increase energy, the batery has 55 watt available.


                What is the correct scenario for your theory?


                Originally posted by witsend View Post
                The model proposes that these zipon fields have literally escaped from that bound material of the resistor and have regrouped elsewhere in space.

                Yes. When the circuit is open the zipons cannot flow. When the circuit is closed the zipon can transfer itself through an orbital path to change it's spin.
                zipon field can escape, while zipon can not? What is the relation between zipon field and zipon? Is matter energy?


                Originally posted by witsend View Post
                Disrupt the field and then you get the zipons manifest in our measurable dimensions and their first evidence is 'heat'.
                Where do these zipon comes from, from outside of the circuit or from inside of the circuit but not manifested yet? please mention the origin of the zipon too when you explain open circuit.

                Thanks again .
                Last edited by sucahyo; 02-25-2010, 03:45 AM.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
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                  Common science consider heat as part of energy equation. Let consider an example of battery capable of supplying 50 watt of electtricity. If a resistor consume 5 watt of electricity and heat up, then heat is said to consume energy from battery. The battery now has 45 watt available.
                  Suchayo, here's the thing. 5 watts may have been dissipated as heat, but simultaneously, the battery potential difference is diminshed by 5 watts. Mainstream consider that an energy equivalence. I am proposing that the diminution of potential difference is an 'active' result rather than a 'passive' result. In other words to take the battery potential up or down is simply the transfer of energy to or from that supply source. And this model proposes that the transfer is actually fields of zipons from the supply and simply represented to the supply with an alternate spin that it can adjust the 'charge distribution' at the supply. What happens at the load is a secondary effect. Subject only to some means of controlling 'current flow' that movement would have resulted in the lessening of, or an increase to, the voltage at source. The loss of heat was just the fortuitous result of placing a resistor in series to 'take advantage' of that flow of current.

                  In other words the energy equivalence stops with the transfer of charge through current flow. Flowing clockwise or anticlockwise those fields are working. They're just adding to or substracting from their source imbalance depending of the direction of flow. The energy at the resistor is therefore factored in as 'EXTRA' energy. I'll try and explain this better as I get on with the electromagnetic interaction related to current flow.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                    I consider ash, solid, liquid, gas, and ion as matter.

                    I assume that your theory is:
                    1. zipon can transform to matter and matter can transform to zipon, and thus
                    Definitely not. Zipons are always 'matter' in the sense that they are particulate. But they are only 'measurable' when they're in a state of transition, this because they've 'slowed down' to a rate that they're measurable. Otherwise - in the field - they're still particulate, still essentially matter, but invisible to light because they exceed light speed.

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                    • Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                      2. the total number of zipon and matter in a close system stays the same
                      Only 'closed' system identified is the atom - and even that's partial as it varies according to its ionised state. The atom, in turn, has energy levels that is proposed to comprise magnetic dipoles or zipons. These BINDING zipon fields that I'm proposing are the material property of current flow are proposed to be OUTSIDE or EXTRANEOUS to these atoms. But their number relates precisely to the size of an amalgam. In other words if an amalgam has, for a really simplistic example - say 20 atoms. Then the amalgam comprises 20 atoms AND A FURTHER 20 fields of zipons holding the atoms together.

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                      • Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                        3. zipon has constant energy
                        Yes

                        Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                        4. heat or cold produced by transforming zipon do not reduce or increase energy
                        Sort of. It enables the transfer of energy during a transitional state. The measure of that transitional state is either voltage imbalance or heat.

                        Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                        5. zipon is invisible when fast and cold
                        6. zipon is visible when slow and hot
                        Yes, and yes.

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                        • Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                          I still not clear on how zipon energy calculated in the closed circuit. Using the same example, 50 watt battery, here is three different scenario:
                          1. both fast and slow version of zipon is included in calculation, resistor heat up sign of more slow zipon do not change energy, the batery has 50 watt available.

                          2. only fast version of zipon is included in calculation, resistor heat up sign of more slow zipon reduce energy, the batery has 45 watt available.

                          3. only slow version of zipon is included in calculation, resistor heat up sign of more slow zipon increase energy, the batery has 55 watt available.
                          I'm hoping I've answered this. I'm proposing that the transfer of the initial 5 watts from the supply resulted in a reduction of potenial energy. It took 5 watts to reduce the potential difference at the battery by 5 watts - and that managed by the transfer of the binding zipon fields through the circuit in a - let us call it - 'clock wise' direction. Equally, if one transferred that 5 watts of energy in an anti clockwise direction it would result in an increase in the potential difference. In other words energy is transferred or required - in both instances. And what is transferred is those particulate fields of zipons that are simply transferred to or from that same supply.

                          However the dissipation of heat at the resistor is a secondary event. It induced a further imbalance in the material of the resistor and that precisely reflects the same amount of imbalance of 5 watts. That 5 watts was 'added' energy to the system.

                          Here's the thing. Mainstream have always seen the energy from the supply being dissipated at the various work stations on the circuit. Lose 5 watts of potential difference and you can gain 5 watts in work. But the circuit begs this question. What if you dissipate work - as heat - at the resistor - yet this is done at the increase or gain in voltage at the supply? In other words what is being pointed to here is the fact that the movement or transfer of this charge can result in an increase or a loss to potential difference. That's work. And while it moves through these fields it can indirectly effect sundry 'stations' in the circuit to perform more work. That extra is 'added' to the quotient of energy in the system.

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                          • Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                            zipon field can escape, while zipon can not? What is the relation between zipon field and zipon? Is matter energy?
                            Zipons have two states. One is a state of balance when they are in a field - invisible - and they bind amalgams. Think of copper wire, a bath of battery acid, resistive wire - as amalgams. Here these binding fields are hidden from view but they're holding those atoms together. Or they enter a transitional state when their fields lose that balance. Think of 'fire' or voltage imbalances on closed circuit conditions. As soon as there is an experienced imbalance - THIS TRANSITIONAL STATE - then the fields can recongregate - through space - in a variety of ways - and with a variety of options - to move through that space to re-establish a balanced charge. We exploit that transitional phase by using it to induce work.

                            Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                            Where do these zipon comes from, from outside of the circuit or from inside of the circuit but not manifested yet? please mention the origin of the zipon too when you explain open circuit.
                            Zipons are always inside 'amalgams'. They hold those amalgams together. Amalgams are here defined as collections of atoms or molecules. So there is first a pool of disassociated atoms - then in a number that relates precisely to the number of atoms - some fields of disassociated zipons - and they simply 'stick' those atoms together.

                            Where they come from? I propose that they come from the nebulae - in the first instance and they congregate around atoms in a fixed ratio. They stay with or remain with that first amalgam unless and until they peel away as photons. But that's a more gradual event and will be discussed much later. Else I've trying to cover too much. Here I'm just trying to explain the electromagnetic interaction as it applies to current flow - and in terms of this model.


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                            • Here's another example that may make things clearer.

                              We know that a battery under open conditions will 'lose' charge over time. In other words - given a certain shelf life, a battery will need to be recharged. Mainstream see that as a 'loss' to the system and that is the result of the movement of all systems to its least energetic state. I am reasonably satisfied that mainstream literally see this as some sort of 'charge' leak that diminishes the system.

                              What the model proposes is that stray fields of 'current' find disassociated atoms within their immediate environment. They 'piggy back' a ride on these to move out from the positive terminal - and then back to the negative terminal to diminish that charge or potential difference. In other words they do not EVER 'leave' their source material. They always have to return there. They intrinsically 'belong' to the material of the battery. But they also, and simply, return there with an alternate spin. Circuit conditions enable this transfer more effectively because they've got inherent inductive or conductive components. Through the 'air' is slower but it does the same thing. It is performing work in both instances. And the work - in usual circumstances - is the reduction in PD. But this circuit under discussion - that enables the 'recharge' as well - through the simple expedient of reversing the flow of current.

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                              • Thanks.

                                I still confuse with how the energy transfer is. I will try to understand it by rereading.

                                Do you mean to say that not one of my three proposed scenarion explain your theory?

                                There is energy produced in resistor so the actual total energy is 55 watt?

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