Francisco PACHECO Hydrogen Generator

[Bill In Texas]

Mg plates

Jetijs,
My mistake. I have ordered magnesium, aluminum, and stainless steel plates. Bob Boyce's fuel cells have a 3mm spacing between plates. I am going to construct a six cell rectangular tank. I'll keep you informed.
Regards,
Bill

P. S. Has anyone seen photos of any of Francisco's designs?

[dambit]

Hi Bill,

I think your on the right path with the rectagular version. When I start my tests (eventually) I will be building the version on his latest patent. I am a little suprised that Jetijs didn't see better results as my little test I did a while ago showed a lot of promise. I think when I have time I will repeat it and take measurements.

Cheers,

Steve

[Bill In Texas]

Third Patent

Hello Steve,
In his last patent (5089107), Francisco, mentioned having a stainless steel lined container as well as stainless steel plates between the individual cells with the aluminum and magnesium anodes. Do you think that surface area of the stainless steel should equal the combined surface area of the magnesium and aluminum?
Regards,
Bill

[dambit]

Hi Bill,

Yes, I think the surface area of the cathode (steel) should be close the that of the annodes (Al, Mg).

Cheers,

Steve

[Bill In Texas]

Rectangular Plate Design

Hello All,
I thought I would update everyone with the results of my project. I used alternating plates of Aluminum and Magnesium. They were connected together using 10-32 all-thread. At the top of the plates, I used a 10-32 nut (approximately .121 inch/3mm) to separate the plates from each other. I used nylon trimmer line to separate the plates at the bottom. The reason for the spacers was to allow the hydrogen to escape. This assembly was placed in a saturated container a sea salt. In a separate container, I had placed a coil of Stainless Steel. The coil was separated

[Bill In Texas]

A Continuation of Yesterday's Post

The second container also consisted of saturated sea-salt. The coil of Stainless Steel was separated by silicone to insure the total area was exposed. I connected the AL,Mg configuration to the SS with alligator clips. My result was similar to what Jetijs experienced; a lot of small bubbles and once and awhile a larger bubble. I threw matches into these bubbles. The end result being NOTHING. No explosion..........NOTHING.

Again, I will ask:

1) Has ANYONE seen a Picture of Francisco's boat and or a picture of his original fuel cell?
2) Has anyone been able to produce gasses (H2O,HHo,whatever) that would power an internal combustion engine?

Thanks,
Bill

[Jetijs]

Bill, sorry to hear your results. I hoped that someone would do better than me. What is the square area of your plates?
P.S. I have never seen any real pictures of Patchetco boat, engine or the generators themselves. Only patents.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[Vickers]

Dont throw it away Bill.
Francisco used seawater. It has a very high oxygen content. Saltwater cell needs oxygen to work.

[sucahyo]

salt water

maybe this is relevant:

[Bill In Texas]

No Pictures of my test device

Hello Everyone,
Thank you for your input. I am attaching jpegs of my test set up. It is crude, but adequate to prove the results.
The aluminum plates are 5.00 inches wide, 7.18 inches tall, and .125 inches thick. The magnesium plates are 1.50 inches wide, 7.18 inches tall, and .18 inch thick. The magnesium plates and the sizes I purchased are the result of what was available on E bay. The assembly of AL/Mg plates consisted of three plates of Mg on one layer and one plate of Al. The image will make this description clearer.
The coil of stainless steel is 4.5 inches tall, 96.0 inches long, and .025 inches thick.
The Al/Mg assembly was in one plastic tank of water that I added sea-salt that is normally used for salt water aquariums. The SS coil was placed in another plastic tank with the sea-salt added. I connected the Al/Mg assembly to the SS coil with a 14gauge wire.
ANY and ALL input would be GREATLY appreciated. I am going to get some seawater from the Gulf of Mexico tomorrow.

Thanks,
Bill


P. S. How do I attach images I have no idea about my URL.

[Vickers]

Hey Bill. What u got there is a self powered sacrificial electrolyzer. One of your electrodes is going to be consumed. It will make a lot of hydrogen..enough to power an engine easily...as long as the sacrificial electrode lasts.
You can simulate seawater by adding hydrogen peroxide to your saltwater mix.
This will give u the oxygen u need to start the reaction. Or just use dilute HCL. Whatever is cheaper.

[Bill In Texas]

Thanks

Thanks Everyone,
I collected the sea water yesterday from the Gulf of Mexico. I'll add the hydrogen peroxide as needed. I'll keep everyone posted as too the results.
We haven't been affected by the oil spill.
Bill

[jeanna]

Hi everybody,
This is an interesting thread and the pacheco device fits some of my recent thoughts, and I would like to add some things I noticed, if you don't mind...

1- Seawater is loaded with magnesium.
It may be that seawater is essential for this.
Perhaps epsom salts (Mg sulphate)could be substituted but not NaCl

Jetijs, I think the scum is full of the MgOH and AlOH which are supposed to be used as stored energy and ummm would it be the electrolyte for the secondary reaction that creates additional H2 from sacrificing another Al electrode?

2- So, instead of filtering out and discarding the scum, it might be used to make enough additional H2 to make the difference.

(2a-) And, is it supposed to be that the electricity coming off the electrodes should be used to make Mg and Al by electrolysis of the scum?

Thanks slovenia. This is a great subject.

Thanks to both Jetijs and bill in texas for doing it!
Now I really want to try it too, ,

jeanna

[Bill In Texas]

Hello All,
I am attempting to attach some images. The Mg/AL is in one tank of seawater and the SS coil is in another.
Bill


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[Bill In Texas]

Hello All,
I thought I would update everyone. I am getting very little gas generation from the Al/Mg being placed in the sea water. The amount of gas being produced is about the same that I experienced with using the aquarium sea salt. All of the gas seems to be on the Mg plates only. I do not see any gas being produced on the Al plates. I also tried adding hydrogen peroxide, but the solution was 3% hydrogen peroxide and 97% distilled water. At this concentration, I am not sure if it helped or not. I did not witness any increase of gas production after adding the hydrogen peroxide.

Any suggestions? Is my plate layout the problem?

Bill