Francisco PACHECO Hydrogen Generator

[jeanna]

Hi Bill in Texas,

1- How much production do you get when you have one electrode of each Mg and Al?
2- Are you sure about the purity of the metals in those electrodes?
3- And, are you able to shake it to see if that improves it at all?

Can you get a volts and amps measurement from those electrodes? I would like to know what you are getting.

I get about 1.6v to 1.7v across mg and copper in my air battery replications and plant batteries. The mA count depends on the surface are and maybe some other things, so yours should be good with all that surface area.

One other thing.
As control on my first plant battery, I made a bath of epsom salts (mg sulphate) in a drinking glass, and tested a 4" piece of copper wire and 4" strip of mg ribbon for volts and amps.
I got 1.7v and I think 3mA which dropped to 1mA over umm 10 hours,. But beyond that, I got a lot of bubbles on both wires. That has intrigued me a lot ever since.

My wallmart fish department was out of sea salt for salt water aquariums, so I must wait until tomorrow. I live about 50 miles from the pacific, and this might be a nice excuse to go to the beach (with a bucket )

thank you,

jeanna

[Bill In Texas]

Test Results in the Sink

Hello Jeanna,

The answers to your questions:
1) I have not used a single electrode of Mg and Al.
2) I am not sure about the purity of the metals. The AL plate is 6061 and I have no idea about the Mg. I purchased it off of eBay.

I don't have a volt or amp meter so I will be unable to give you any measurements.

I hope you went to the beach. It's a lot nicer than wally world

As a side note. After my last post yesterday, I placed the Mg/Al assembly and the SS coil into the sink and filled the sink with seawater. My sink is SS. The production increased by a factor of 5. I think the SS is the key. I have read Francisco Pacheco's patent number 5,089,107 several times and I am going to follow this patent as close as possible. Who knows, I may even get a volt/amp meter

Jetijs, have you started another project?

Regards,
Bill

[Bill In Texas]

Hello All,


In Francisco Pacheco's patent, he mentions a non-conductive permeable separator. Does anyone have an idea of what he might have used? From the patent drawing, it appears to have completely surrounded the magnesium plate.

Regards,
Bill

[Harvey]

Would this work?

https://www.inventables.com/technolo...eable-membrane

[Matthew Jones]

Several layers of Nylon Stockings would do the trick..

The other thing you could use and its probably better is polypropylene fabric (PP). You can get it at any hardware store as Silt Cloth for french drain systems. (Fill the ditch with gravel and cover it with cloth and dirt)

There are several types but PP is the most corrosive resistant and heat tolerant I can think of. Cheap too.

Matt

[Bill In Texas]

Thanks Harvey and Matthew for your material recommendations.

I am guessing that the material is used to prevent bubbles from sticking to the Mg plate. Any thoughts?

Also in the patent, a SS tank is mentioned. Does this need to be a water sealing tank or do you suppose having the stainless surface area is the intent?

Thanks,
Bill

[Matthew Jones]

I would guess the material is to keep the oxydized magnesium from getting all over the place.

I wouldn't know about the stainless

Matt

[reaper]

hi bill, the purpose of the separator is to increase hydrogen production. plastic canvas works just fine. the stainless steel tank works with the salt water and electricity of the cell when shorted to make lye, the lye works on the al. to make hydrogen.the longer it runs the more hydrogen the al. make. watch your ph and temp. this unit works best between 90 and 100 f. over 120f and prodcution rapidly falls off same with the ph works best at about 8-9.30.

[reaper]

yes it needs to be a sealing tank and to keep the hydrogen from sticking to the plates it helps to sandblast them. you realy need a resurc pump to keep the water mixed or the ph gets out of line not to mention the salt won't stay mixed. works best if one port is at the top and one on the bottom. the real trick is to size the ports between tanks so the water is not sucked out of the first tank and the builds up in the last one. all tanks are connected by two pipes except for the first and last.

[reaper]

bill,to see things a little clearer goto you tube boyd868b channel and look at what he calls an hho gen.

[Bill In Texas]

Information

Reaper,
Thanks for all of the information.
Regards,
Bill

[jeanna]

Hello All,


In Francisco Pacheco's patent, he mentions a non-conductive permeable separator. Does anyone have an idea of what he might have used? From the patent drawing, it appears to have completely surrounded the magnesium plate.

Regards,
Bill

Hi Bill,
Personally, I think it is to keep the mg from touching the other electrodes, because if they happen to touch the voltage will not be produced at the outside ends of the electrodes.
And, they must touch because producing electricity is part of the gig.

I used some cotton gauze on the trial I just made and cotton cloth other times.
I used it to cover the copper wire because I wanted to see what happened on the magnesium.

I made a partial trial over the last 5 days to see the difference between NaCl and MgSO4. I still didn't get sea water but at least there is some mg in the alternate salt.

The NaCl produced more and bigger bubbles, and corroded the mg ribbon so badly that it fell into 5 pieces and is covered with black pits. The copper is shiny and fine.
In the MgSO4 solution, there was less bubbling and amperage but higher volts and the mg is only slightly corroded. Again, the copper looks fine.

It was a preliminary test, but it shows me that this is not an ordinary case of metals in electrolyte making a battery.

Reaper, your info about making sodium hydroxide is interesting... thanks.
BTW. the pH of both solutions seems to be 11, so it is not a strong NaOH, but it made something equally basic without any sodium just Mg in the other one. (The copper might be a little less shiny in the MgSO4 solution, too... not much either.)


jeanna

[reaper]

hi bill,your rods need to be nonconductive,other wise you have an uncontroled short. remember that the production of gas is inversely related to the short. you can use a reaostat to control it.

[reaper]

hi,jeanna the part about the lye is mentioned in the patent. another thing needed is an inline filter to remove the hydrites they can be recycled. also plain old table salt works. just mix it at the same ratio as in sea water also see patent or his earlyer ones they help alot.

[reaper]

Would this work?

https://www.inventables.com/technolo...eable-membrane

Hello All,


In Francisco Pacheco's patent, he mentions a non-conductive permeable separator. Does anyone have an idea of what he might have used? From the patent drawing, it appears to have completely surrounded the magnesium plate.

Regards,
Bill

as mentioned in the patent pacheco does not understand why the separator increases hydrogen production and figures it is a function of time. beats me. but i know it does up production spacing can be 1/4" to 3/8" without noticeable drop in production.