Francisco PACHECO Hydrogen Generator

[Slovenia]

Cell Diagrams

Individual Patent Diagrams of Pacheco Generators

1972 Pacheco Generator Patent Diagram
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1975 Pacheco Generator Patent Diagram
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1992 Pacheco Generator Patent Diagram (Simplified Diag.) “Much More Complex Version”
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[vegasscorpion]

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[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

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[Jetijs]

Well, I just tried a crude setup of this.
I put a magnesium rod and a piece aluminum in the salt water and connected them with a wire. Then I placed a stainless steel table spoon in the water and connected it also to the other metals with a wire. Bubbles start to appear. It is not much, but it really works, hydrogen is produced. I tried connecting only the steel and the aluminum, no action. But when aluminum and magnesium is connected, the action starts. I think this is great, some time ago I tried to get hydrogen from aluminum using KOH dissolved in water. KOH eats off the oxide layer from the aluminum and then aluminum starts to react with water releasing hydrogen. Aluminum is consumed in that process, but unfortunately so is also the KOH and it is not very cheap so not very practical. This method however doesn't seem to consume anything else than magnesium and aluminum
I have also tried another method to extract hydrogen from aluminum, I used gallium that turns liquid at about 30 degree Celsius, when liquid, it dissolves aluminum making a mercury like liquid alloy, the gallium also keeps the oxide layer off the aluminum and only aluminum is consumed leaving gallium in tact and it can be reused later by dissolving more aluminum in it. But this is also not very practical because it is hard to get the remaining gallium out of the clumps of aluminum oxide that is remaining after the process.
So the Pacheco generator seems so far most practical for this.
I think the key here is more cells and large surface area. I have no problems getting aluminum and steel cut to needed size, but I don't think I can get magnesium in sheet form, only in rods It would be great to make a bigger and more effective device

[Slovenia]

Thank You

Nice to hear Jetijs. Thanks for sharing about your experiment.

[dambit]

Hi Jetijs,

I am also having trouble getting Mg sheet metal. If I was in any other country than Oz it wouldn't be a problem, but here the idiot government think it's a dangerous metal. So far I can only get it in rods, marine anodes or ingots. I have my metal guy hunting around for me, but I think I may have to order from overseas. Pure Mg is very cheap in China, so that is where I will start looking.

I also think that surface area is the key to higher gas production. I will be making my full size single unit a similar size to a truck battery. Rods have there advantages also, so I will look into a design that uses Mg rods. Electric water heater anodes are easy to get and come with threaded ends and everything.

Cheers,

Steve.

[Jetijs]

Yeah Steve, I know what you mean
I just observed that magnesium makes hydrogen even by itself in salt water without any other metals It seems less than when using with other metals, but still.

[Slovenia]

1972 Pacheco Patent

In Pacheco's 1972 patent, he didn't use aluminum electrodes. He just used magnesium and carbon electrodes. This was the same as his earlier design of generator that he invented while still living in Bolivia. So, you don't need the aluminum. He did have to use a vibrator on the carbon electrode to keep the build up of bubbles from accumulating on it.

[dankie]

In Pacheco's 1972 patent, he didn't use aluminum electrodes. He just used magnesium and carbon electrodes. This was the same as his earlier design of generator that he invented while still living in Bolivia. So, you don't need the aluminum. He did have to use a vibrator on the carbon electrode to keep the build up of bubbles from accumulating on it.

Thats very interresting .

Vibration= good .

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Very nice tool to have . not expensive either .

[dambit]

Yeah Steve, I know what you mean
I just observed that magnesium makes hydrogen even by itself in salt water without any other metals It seems less than when using with other metals, but still.

This is true, but from what I can tell it's a negligable amount. Even in a larger unit I don't think it will be enough to cause a problem. All that is required is a valve that is opened when the unit is turned off to help vent the excess gas. In a multi-cell setup, there would be enough excess electricity produced to power a small solenoid to keep the valve closed during operation and then release it when the system is off.

As far as the use of Al in the cell, I believe one reason is to help maintain the correct ph of the water, the other is to increase the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen production.

Cheers,

Steve

[everwiser]

They're not very big but you should be able to build a suitable setup to evaluate efficiency...

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[Jetijs]

I made a proof of concept video, check it out
YouTube - Francisco PACHECO Hydrogen Generator.wmv

In the video you can see how the hydrogen is produced, what the voltage and the current of the cell is.
Enjoy!
Jetijs

[Slovenia]

Good Job

I made a proof of concept video, check it out
YouTube - Francisco PACHECO Hydrogen Generator.wmv

In the video you can see how the hydrogen is produced, what the voltage and the current of the cell is.
Enjoy!
Jetijs

Great Job Jetijs!!

[Jetijs]

Thanks
I intend to build a larger device with 6 cells in series. I will use six magnesium rods and six 40mm diameter stainless steel tubes. It will all be enclosed in PVC plumbing pipes with common electrolyte. Will see how that goes.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[Cherryman]

Jetijs.

Good work, do i understand it correctly that the system also produces a little voltage?

If so, What if you add a little voltage? Like a 9V battery or even less, does it invluence the H production significantly?