Any advise?

[blackchisel97]

I have a question to everyone familiar with - Free Energy Motors Generators

I doesn't sound like it should ( not as good as claimed) to me but maybe someone has more than just a mere hunch about those guys.
I know a noble person trying to setup Foundation, to train people with use and applications of MMS (for those not familiar with the subject there is a thread in Health section of this Forum).
There is an old generator but not reliable enough. My friend had mentioned above company as his potential future solution to supply electricity for his project. Unfortunately, I don't have anything built what could serve such purpose. My advise would be a few solar panels combined with good Surette battery bank and phone call to Energenx
I just wish to warn him before he decides to waste limited resources on something what isn't gonna work.
I would appreciate if I could get some feedback from you guys before I call him and tell not to bother.

Thanks

Vtech

[Inquorate]

Run away! Run away faster!

I know of no motor and no mechanism, aetheric, spatial energy coherence etc, with which the device outlined on that webpage could possibly run as claimed.

The tesla switch would be his best bet, but he'll have to wait a bit for that.

Tell him to ask to see the device they 'built and have running' before committing any resources.

[Aaron]

where are the results?

That company updated their pages. In all the years they've been selling
their how-to info, I never met anyone that has ever gotten anything to
work.

That includes the fuel-less generator, heater, etc...

[blackchisel97]

Run away! Run away faster!

I know of no motor and no mechanism, aetheric, spatial energy coherence etc, with which the device outlined on that webpage could possibly run as claimed.

The tesla switch would be his best bet, but he'll have to wait a bit for that.

Tell him to ask to see the device they 'built and have running' before committing any resources.

The tesla switch would be his best bet but he'll have to wait a bit for that
No kiddin' I stalled with my test because of poor batteries They were probably the very reason my analog version didn't charge as well.

I appreciate your input. I had a bad feeling about but I tend not to diss unless having solid proof such as replication.

Thank you
Vtech

[blackchisel97]

That company updated their pages. In all the years they've been selling
their how-to info, I never met anyone that has ever gotten anything to
work.

That includes the fuel-less generator, heater, etc...

Thank you Aaron Your advise is always appreciated
If I would have something big enough running and tested, I would just give it to him

Vtech

[Aaron]

plans

Thanks Vtech -

I think the heater is the most attempted device they have from what
I've seen. I think there are even some members here that have tried.
So far everyone has met with failure.

That heater plan they sell was actually based on something else that
actually worked. Peter posted something about it in this forum somewhere
with reference an original patent and their plans are different from the
original thing. I think even Jetijs did something with this. If he failed to
get it working, I don't think anyone will - and it may have been based
on those plans of theirs.

That generator seems to be made up out of thin air and I know people
in the past have posted their copyrighted docs either here on on rapidshare.
I think they were removed from here but there were a lot of comments
that went along with it.

[blackchisel97]

Thanks Vtech -

I think the heater is the most attempted device they have from what
I've seen. I think there are even some members here that have tried.
So far everyone has met with failure.

That heater plan they sell was actually based on something else that
actually worked. Peter posted something about it in this forum somewhere
with reference an original patent and their plans are different from the
original thing. I think even Jetijs did something with this. If he failed to
get it working, I don't think anyone will - and it may have been based
on those plans of theirs.

That generator seems to be made up out of thin air and I know people
in the past have posted their copyrighted docs either here on on rapidshare.
I think they were removed from here but there were a lot of comments
that went along with it.

Thanks again Aaron I just sent email to him. Hopefully not too late. $300 isn't a fortune if one has such to throw away but if you have a limited budget and can cure 300 people for same amount, it is a fortune.


Vtech

[nvisser]

Pdf

Is this what you are talking about?

[blackchisel97]

E.Gray motor? gotta be kiddin'

Is this what you are talking about?

Thanks Vissie I don't know which plans he was going to get and who would be the frustrated constructor but this one is probable choice, since it promises quite high output. I see, they claim that it is E.Gray motor Solved, working and "easy to build" I wonder how many plans they have sold already and how many customers are wondering what the heck they did wrong. One of those "it works in the television but not when you bring it home" things?

Thanks
Vtech

[Jetijs]

Hi Vtech
I also tried to build one of their devices, it was the fuel less heater with two rotating drums one inside other and oil between them. I could not get anything near their promised heat output. I tried different drum diameters and different oils. Although there was some heat generated, but it wasn't nearly as much as they claim there should be. Fortunately I did not have to purchase any plans from them. Anyway, I have no trust in any of their devices.

[nvisser]

[QUOTE=blackchisel97;86442]Thanks Vissie I don't know which plans he was going to get and who would be the frustrated constructor but this one is probable choice, since it promises quite high output. I see, they claim that it is E.Gray motor Solved, working and "easy to build" I wonder how many plans they have sold already and how many customers are wondering what the heck they did wrong. One of those "it works in the television but not when you bring it home" things?

Thanks
Vtech[/QUO

I still want to test that concept one day. Charging up a cap bank with a voltage tripler and discharge it into a coil with many turns of 27awg or thinner
I got the coil. Just dont get to it.
They claim when he tested it it nearly broke his arms off as the 2 coils expelled each other . If that is true this motor can be build if you cuold charge up the caps quick enoung with as little current as they claim

[ewizard]

From another research group I've been on for about 20 years I've also known some people to try these plans and no one has ever gotten anything usable from them. As others here are saying it's not worth buying or wasting your time with.

[Aaron]

cap discharge into small wire of many turns

I still want to test that concept one day. Charging up a cap bank with a voltage tripler and discharge it into a coil with many turns of 27awg or thinner
I got the coil.

YouTube - aaronmurakami's Channel

That's my motor with 1000v 2uf discharge into 23 awg coil of 1000 turns
triggered by plasma ignition. It is a 3 point system like the gray tube but
I'm just using 3 points outside of a tube. Hv jumps into diodes across a
gap, diodes shut off and then hv jumps to grid point (coil) and as it does
that the 1000v discharge (cap is 4000v 2uf only charged to 1000v)
follows it mixing the two sources. That gap is too big for 1000v to jump
but it does it by this method.

EDIT: I just relooked at the vid, I"m actually using 26awg trigger wire
as the wire that I'm dumping that cap into. I have seen better results
with smaller wire on several tests.

That coil is a 1000 turn Bedini trifilar.

[blackchisel97]

Thank you guys

Hi Vtech
I also tried to build one of their devices, it was the fuel less heater with two rotating drums one inside other and oil between them. I could not get anything near their promised heat output. I tried different drum diameters and different oils. Although there was some heat generated, but it wasn't nearly as much as they claim there should be. Fortunately I did not have to purchase any plans from them. Anyway, I have no trust in any of their devices.

Well, if you couldn't succeed getting promised results I don't believe anyone would and your luck of trust is good enough for me not to trust them either.

Thank you all for your input I was able to reach my friend last night. It happened that discussed enterprise put their info in his newsletter. I don't think they'll be able to do this again

@Vissie Such idea makes sense when done right. It actually made me think - which is good
@Aaron I've seen this vid. before but I did watch again

Again, your advise was very much appreciated

Vtech

[ewizard]

Well, if you couldn't succeed getting promised results I don't believe anyone would and your luck of trust is good enough for me not to trust them either.

Thank you all for your input I was able to reach my friend last night. It happened that discussed enterprise put their info in his newsletter. I don't think they'll be able to do this again

@Vissie Such idea makes sense when done right. It actually made me think - which is good
@Aaron I've seen this vid. before but I did watch again

Again, your advise was very much appreciated

Vtech

After seeing that fuellesspower.com engine in his newsletter which Dr. Lias was including there as an example of free energy that he is getting involved with I decided to email Dr. Lias yesterday and let him know about fuellesspower.com. I think Dr. Lias is just getting his feet wet in alternate energy. Hopefully the email I sent will let him know that fuellesspower.com is not one of the more hopeful prospects in free energy.