GAP Power - Magnetic Amplification & Neutralization

[SkyWatcher]

GAP Power, Magnetic Amplification & Neutralization

Hi folks, came across this at the other forum. I ran some simple tests with a stationary coil/core with neo magnets at one end of core and a steel piece at other end to observe the neutralization effect and it does work. What i have found by using some rectangular ceramic magnets is that if i stack 2 magnets together and then bring 1 magnet towards the stacked magnet in a repel orientation, the field is neutralized and will not attract a piece of steel on the side with only 1 magnet. Maybe the stronger double stack is creating a flux loop around to the other side of single stack which is what is diverting the field away from the steel piece. So in Art Porters design, he has a powerful neo magnet at one end of stator core that is maybe twice the diameter of the core which i think helps to create this diverting flux loop. What this means is it takes little power to divert the flux from the permanent stator magnet away from the armature gap and he also powers the coil to aid and attract the armature in the initial phase as well. That is what i am seeing thus far, any thoughts are appreciated.

peace love light
Tyson

[synchro]

Gap

My first thoughts were that this would make a great MEG. Imagine one long core with an output coil in the center, two electro magnets to each side and large Neo disks on each end. the flux would be amplified in the core under the output coil when the electro magnets were energized in sympathy then cut off and collapsed completely when the electro magnets were oppositly polarized to cut the field off alltogether. This collapse and remagnatization of the output core at a frequency of 200Hz should generate some electric power, right?

[SkyWatcher]

Hi synchro, thanks for reply. It could work as you say, only way to know is try it. But i have a feeling based on seeing what happens with just using permanent magnets to show this principle, is that it may need at least one gap or more if using neos at both ends of your solid state proposal. Go ahead and try it with permanent magnets, bring 1 magnet towards a stack of 2 or more of same magnet and force them as close together in repel and take a piece of steel and see what side the steel sticks to. Or more ideal would be to take a permanent magnet of twice the diameter of the single magnet to give better flux loop ability and you will find the steel piece does not attract to the side of the single magnet.
peace love light
Tyson

[Jetijs]

Looks like parallel path concept. Look up Joe Flynn on peswiki about this. It really works very well. I have a thread on the parallel path motor going here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...replicate.html

The first motor is ready and it really works as advertised, does not consume extra current under load.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi jetijs, thanks for reply and info. Yes i was aware that it is similar to parallel path in a way. The flux aiding phase of attraction is similar, however the neutralization is more like hilden-brands magnet valve idea, only its used for neutralizing rather than amplifying in a somewhat different geometry. But this neutralizing takes very little power as does hilden brands aiding or amplifying, whereas parallel path needs a higher ratio of power to redirect the flux to the other pole. To give an example, today i took 6 - 2"L X 3/4" W X 3/8" T ceramic permanent magnets and by using 1 of these compressed on one end in a repel mode, probably 95% or better of the flux from the 6 stack is neutralized. Now that seems a very efficient way to neutralize a permanent magnetic field as is shown in Art Porters videos, though of course he is using a coil instead of another permanent magnet. Folks, grab some permanent magnets and test this for yourselves. Let me know what you folks think.
peace love light
Tyson

[Ted Ewert]

This works, but the configuration is quite inefficient. The magnet is far away from the pole, most of the face of the magnet isn't in contact with the core, only one pole is used, etc. There are much better ways to use PMs and coils together.
Nevertheless, his workmanship is very good.

Ted

[zhorv324]

Pleas tray to understand that static device behavior is very different when you used in motion device like motor . anyway is worth to tray and see for yourself.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, thanks for your thoughts. Ted as far as one pole being used, it could be a dual rotor to solve that aspect. Though what i'm seeing is the neutralization aspect needs very little power when using a ferromagnetic armature and it wouldn't have counter emf. Though yes, only way to know for sure is to build one of whatever size one can. Though i must say i'm surprised at how much less magnetic field is needed to neutralize the stator permanent field, that alone is worthy of more study.
peace love light
Tyson

edit: I notice magnacoaster uses a large stack of neo magnets at the back of the there stator cores, they probably also realized how little power is needed to neutralize that field.

[sucahyo]

Seeing alternating polarity remind me of what I read recently:
1956a

This aspect of the eddy-current anomaly can be far more important than the direct implications of the actual power loss. Indeed, one can begin to see scope for a new method of electrical power generation drawing on the ambient heat of our environment. This prospect gains strength from the discovery that eddy-current anomaly factors much higher than 3 were observed, particularly over the low flux density range where the maximum action attributable to the Nernst Effect will occur. The reason for this is that the domain magnetization is then equally shared by the two polarization directions, so that the augmenting EMFs induced will see flow paths of least resistance.

[boguslaw]

I think that could be used in Floyd Sweet VTA. Very nice.I'm starting to understand how to magnify feeble currents using such method.You have to create ring with feedback.Tricky idea but may work.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, i had an idea about using the neutralization principle as shown in the videos, but instead try this as a generator. Since my tests show that 1 magnet can shield the field from 6 and greater of the same permanent magnets stacked by creating a flux loop similar to parallel path, though my idea is to have a stack of say 6 permanent magnets only for a stator, then we rotate 1 magnet which could be thin and we rotate this thin magnet between the permanent magnet stator and a coil/core and every time the magnet passes it shields the greater strength stator permanent magnet from the coil/core and this cycle will create a pulse in the coil to pump electricity. Now if it is found that the weaker rotor shield magnet loses its power over time then one of equal strength may be used. Well it sounded interesting when it came to mind, any thoughts folks.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi again folks, i decided to try a quick test of that idea except solid state, instead of a rotating magnet to create a flux diverting loop i just put another coil/core in between the coil/core and permanent magnet stack. And with some quick manually pulsing, the output is better when causing a repelling field towards permanent magnet stack. What i am seeing here i think is what Bill Muller showed in a video where a steel ball was attached to a permanent magnet then he let another steel ball be quickly attracted to the first steel ball and the ball that was quickly attracted quickly repelled from the first steel ball. In my case the coil/core that has the magnet stack at one end and another coil/core at the other, the middle coil/core if quickly energized repels to some degree or neutralizes the flux and it drops away from the other coil/core but if you continuously hold power to that middle coil/core then the other coil/core attracts normally as one would expect. I think i made that clear, i hope. Let me hear your thoughts.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, After doing a few more tests and thinking about why this may be occurring, the magnetic field pole, say north that is extending through both coil/cores, i think that the last coil/core's flux from this extended field is neutralized briefly because the flux is retreating backwards toward permanent magnet stack wanting to make a flux loop with the south pole now created. Here is a pic showing the setup, the coil/core to the left is the gen. coil and the one attached to permanent magnets is pulsed and using the 2 AA nimh in series shown, the coil/core on far left drops away and the magnetic field is neutralized briefly to generate electricity. Let me know what you folks think of this.

[boguslaw]

Excellent! But you have done only 1/4 of device which would be optimal I think.
Here we are close to connecting many ideas!

Think about MEG,Sweet VTA,Daniel McFarland patent,Ed Leedscalnin PMH.All are interconnected ! Magnetic current.

[boguslaw]

BTW I have a question. What is happening to power if transformer is connected to big power supply but not connected to load ?