Closed Loop Freon Generator

[Stephen Brown]

Thanks

Das
Do you have any experience with refrigeration and thermodynamics?
Do you have a basic layout in mind of the components required for this build?
CO2 requires higher pressure components.

The reason I ask is because I've been studying these systems and really want to have a go at building a heat engine.
I know all the work has already been done and all the components can be bought off the shelf.
Since I saw Peter Lindemann layout Tesla's idea of the ambient heat engine, I started to think the heat engine has the most potential to replace our current energy paradigm.
Thanks for bringing this topic forward again.
Stephen

[IndianaBoys]

Das
Do you have any experience with refrigeration and thermodynamics?
Do you have a basic layout in mind of the components required for this build?
CO2 requires higher pressure components.

The reason I ask is because I've been studying these systems and really want to have a go at building a heat engine.
I know all the work has already been done and all the components can be bought off the shelf.
Since I saw Peter Lindemann layout Tesla's idea of the ambient heat engine, I started to think the heat engine has the most potential to replace our current energy paradigm.
Thanks for bringing this topic forward again.
Stephen

Stephen Brown,

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IndianaBoys

[Stephen Brown]

Thanks IndianaBoys,
Good reading.
I know all this has all been explored before and is just being rediscovered again.
S

[pix]

It is ORC- Organic Rankine Cycle

Nothing new.
Freon gas expands and spins expander ( turbine or positive displaceent machine).
Check out :
Remote residential-scale power using common flatplate solar hot water collectors

A very nice animation how pumpless closed loop system works.

Regards,
Pix

[Allcanadian]

@Pix

Check out :
Remote residential-scale power using common flatplate solar hot water collectors

A very nice animation how pumpless closed loop system works.

Lol, that is brilliant in it's function and simplicity.
Thanks for posting the link.

AC

[Allcanadian]

The cycle should look familiar because all Matteran Energy did was replace the displacer of a stirling engine with a heat exchanger which was all the displacer ever was, a cycling heat exchanger.

On another note of interest the the venturi and condensing chamber boiler feed water pumps predate their supposedly patented technology by about 100 years.

AC

[ckurtz]

Dennis Lee during the mid-1980's invented a freon-based low-temperature phase-change engine similar to Bob Stewart's heat engine. The father of the Boeing 747 and other highly qualified people helped Dennis perfect his engine. A small plant was established in Seattle to produce and sell a commercial home-scale electrical generator. A Seattle area power company (the same one which became infamous for its WHOOPS nuclear plants) campaigned to shut down the plant. Even a girl employee was murdered.:

Everything in the first paragraph is a lie. As Aaron stated in a previous post Mr. Lee was a salesman for the original company that developed and sold the solar assisted heat pump residential and commercial heating systems, that company was Lamco, based in Colorado. The Lamco system when sized and installed properly worked like a champ; however, when the system calls for using twelve or more of the thin aluminum four by eight foot evaporator panels Aaron mentions, in order to collect enough heat energy out of Colorado mountain winter air to heat a facility, you had better believe that in high summer when the system is pretty much only responding to hot water heating demands, either a bunch of panels had better get switched off or the compressor blows. Lamco, the company, exhilarated by their system's initial success borrowed lots of money to expand operations and went bankrupt sometime in the early 1980s, because like so many undisciplined people they spent money like a sailor on impressive office space instead of work related matters.

Lee simply took the Lamco system concept, which as a technological ignoramus he didn't understand, and as a pathological liar and con-man he didn't care to understand, and used it to further he and his wife's fantasy of building a hundred million dollar empire. When the Colorado operation went bust he and his wife and two young daughters moved out to Yakima, WA, because he was broke and his folks lived a few miles away. His method for success was based on the old sales pitch phrase, which was near and dear to his heart, that 'If you throw enough spaghetti at the wall some of it will stick.' In practice that means that you get the wifey to infiltrate the local do-gooder associations, such as church groups, to funnel people into their grasp; while hubby goes around button holing any and everyone who looks as if they have more than two nickels to rub together in the quest to identify potential sugar daddies to bankroll his next best thing that will make them all millionaires. This process is simply based on the three key concepts of 'exploit', 'exploit', 'exploit'. Once they found a pool of greedy potential suckers the process involved hubby and wifey brain storming to come up with an initial contract draft to run by the first sucker's lawyers. The goal here was not to be successful... it was to run the contract by the lawyers to let them tear it to pieces so hubby and wifey could then address the faults and do it all over again. Finally after all the free legal advice they never could have afforded they were ready to make a run at the big sugar daddy. In Yakima the process took a few months and they finally landed one of the bigger local real estate operators. This parleyed into a company called C.O.N.S.E.R.V.E., A manufacturing facility on the edge of town, a fairly large staff including some engineers, but not overly experienced ones, and actually began to build systems that worked to a fashion but not consistently. Then came the promotional blitz of taking out full page ads in the local Thifty Nickel or whatever weekly community news letters and holding those large seminars which are Mr. Lee's hallmark. The sad thing about all of this is that if he had recruited experienced refrigeration engineers and pushed for properly spec-ed systems they would have worked fine.

However, Mr. Lee is a sociopath who would rather tell a lie than the truth even when he knows the truth is more to his advantage. The reason being is that the whole game is about manipulation, for getting people to believe the lie charges up the prestige ego counter in his sorry psyche which is what it is all about. A great example of this is that he finally went off the deep end so far that he told his sales staff to start marketing the systems with air conditioning, which since the systems did not use fan/evaporator coils was impossible without very expensive modifications. Since the whole sales pitch was based around solar tax credits this could not be done, and in fact, instead of having the engineering staff investigate the possibilities to do so, he ordered the sales and engineering personnel to not talk to each other, on pain of being fired; any communications had to go through him or his wife...

After a year or two the company went bankrupt when the systems failed to perform, and hubby and wifey, now much wiser in all the ways of how to really run a scam, moved to the bigger pickings of the greater Seattle area where the whole charade played out again until the 1985 lawsuit. Mr. Lee at this time was not involved in any Freon engine - electrical generator development, he was not in partnership with any big shots from Boeing. He was involved with bigger scam operators from a Savings and Loan company in Spokane which would underwrite customer loans for Lee's company, in exchange for a home mortgage. These guys taught the Lees a lot about penny stock scams, kick backs, etc. Their S&L went bankrupt during the massive S&L collapse of the '80s - the owners didn't lose any money because they had salted away millions through the kickbacks from the bogus loans to their cronies which precipitate the collapse to begin with. When Lee disappeared from Conserve and Seattle, there was around $750,000 dollars missing from the corporate accounts; the company had sold somewhere around two million dollars worth of systems in the previous year or two. Lee probably didn't get most of the missing funds, the Spokane operators probably made off with that, but some ended up in his pocket.

If you really want to understand the full extent of the Lee's mental pathologies all you have to know is that the young woman who is referred to in the cryptic comment about a murdered employee, was friend of mine, and she was not murdered directly, she was driven to suicide not by foes of Mr. & Mrs. Lee but by those two sick individuals themselves. Carolyn was a very nice person who had run into a series of problems that included a failed marriage, bankruptcy, ongoing legal problems with the state which revolved around her financial ability to care for her two young children, etc. She was not a doper, an alcoholic, or any of those things; she was just a young woman out of her depth who was trying to do her best. Mr. and Mrs. Lee thought it was just the thing to hire people through state programs that paid part of the employees' salary; that was how Carolyn went to work at Conserve, which was then located in Lynnwood. When sociopaths run companies the companies become sociopathic themselves, and for whatever reason Mr. & Mrs. Lee decided that Carolyn was feeding confidential information to their enemies inside and outside the company. They instituted a campaign of harassment that included in-house confrontations, as well as visits and phone calls to her home accusing her of outrageous activities, and demands that she confess or she would be fired and the state would take her children away from her. After weeks of this she killed herself.

If anyone thinks defending the Lees is standing up for inventor's and consumer's rights, they need their head examined.

[Allcanadian]

@ckurtz
So if I'm reading this correctly then what your saying is that Lee was just your average businessman possibly leading the way for the many socio/psycho-paths we see in business today. You know CEO's, bankers, lawyers, real estate agents, politicians, car salesmen and such.

I guess we could at least give him some credit that he may have made an effort to make something work which could help people versus the pond scum in three piece suits we see today who have no intention of helping anyone... it all relative.

The Lamco system when sized and installed properly worked like a champ; however, when the system calls for using twelve or more of the thin aluminum four by eight foot evaporator panels Aaron mentions, in order to collect enough heat energy out of Colorado mountain winter air to heat a facility, you had better believe that in high summer when the system is pretty much only responding to hot water heating demands, either a bunch of panels had better get switched off or the compressor blows.

Actually the compressor does not blow the high discharge pressure switch trips shutting it down. Then it continues cycling until the inferior dry contacts of the switch pit or corrode either welding the contacts together or preventing conduction. Samsung has some awesome slim design units with variable speed condenser fan motors and variable speed compressors which prevents the cycling issue altogether.

In any case your story sounds more like an urban legend and I would think he was just an over-optimistic businessman who got in way over his head and went into damage control mode to try and crawl out of the hole he had dug himself into. It's an old and common story usually embellished by those personally involved.

AC